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KIte v Moth(foiler) V 49er

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Topic: KIte v Moth(foiler) V 49er

Posted By: G.R.F.
Subject: KIte v Moth(foiler) V 49er
Date Posted: 13 Dec 10 at 4:49pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l29gGKzmlkU&feature=player_embedded - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l29gGKzmlkU&feature=player_embedded

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Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 13 Dec 10 at 5:05pm

I was really impressed by how well the kite went upwind - I hadn't expected that at all. The 49er looked really pedestrian though

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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 13 Dec 10 at 5:14pm

Yes the y fly upwind these days, one of my guys came down to race the boards one Tuesday and went through them like a knife through butter upwind.

We're trying to get some built over here with the guys I'm hoping to get my boat from. Boards that is, course racing kiteboards.

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Posted By: AlexM
Date Posted: 13 Dec 10 at 5:58pm

Before watching that, i thought the boats would just have it upwind because of their pointing and lose it all down wind.. 49er looked like it was stopped and i don't think a 18fter would of faired any better!

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Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 13 Dec 10 at 6:36pm

Before opening the thread, I thought GRF was trying to work out what boat to buy next.

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Posted By: mattmd
Date Posted: 13 Dec 10 at 8:49pm

I couldnt make my mind up about that video, just made the 49er look like a kids boat not much footage of it either. Love all 3 methods of getting across the water but didnt think it was very just.

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Matt MD
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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 13 Dec 10 at 9:48pm

Would have been interesting to see a Tornado or Nacra 20c in the mix as well.

Rematch is 20kts as well please. Question for the kite sailors; How well do they go up wind in proper wind?

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Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 13 Dec 10 at 11:13pm

Originally posted by Scooby_simon

W Question for the kite sailors; How well do they go up wind in proper wind?

Er even faster I fear and long beyond the range of those other two boats. (They just use smaller kit and shorter lines)

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 14 Dec 10 at 10:30pm

Think of all the time the kites would loose untangling their strings when rafting up at the leeward mark - could a fleet of 50 kites surfers race together in the sort of format dinghies do?

Impressive speed, but I'm sure a powerboat would be faster if speed is all it is about?

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Posted By: mattmd
Date Posted: 14 Dec 10 at 11:17pm

Im sure a fleet of 50 kites, and a cock up at a mark would be very interesting LOL

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Posted By: GybeFunny
Date Posted: 16 Dec 10 at 1:11pm

Originally posted by mattmd

Im sure a fleet of 50 kites, and a cock up at a mark would be very interesting LOL

You mean like this?

more details here: https://secure.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Biggest-kite-tangle-ever/ - https://secure.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Biggest-kite-tangle-ever/

Posted By: GybeFunny
Date Posted: 16 Dec 10 at 1:14pm

Originally posted by motayotty

The key has to be the kite is up in the stronger breeze. Forget the drag at water level and get the clear and stronger wind. This has to apply on all points of sail.

Upwind as long as the kite board can offer enough lateral resistance and the kite is capable of pointing( not sure how this would be described in kite terms) it will perform to the maximium available tolerances. Same as the foilers the kite sailors have the chance to oscilate the kite to keep it moving through the air at its designed speed and keep the same level of power. For the foiler that is heating it to the corect degree down wind. Wind strength changes, change the size/design of the rig as the 12's and 18's do.

If you could get the kite high enough..............the sky's the limit?

Not quite, the longer lines required cause drag which slows the kite down. The fastest kite buggiers are now going for shorter lines to reduce drag and increase speeds. There will be a line length that offers the best compromise and I would suggest it wouldnt be much longer than they currently use.

Posted By: G.R.F.
Date Posted: 16 Dec 10 at 2:41pm

Line length varies, light wind = longer lines = more area in sky to 'sign' the kite which develops more power plus wind is supposedly stronger higher up.

Medium length =30m and short = 20m

Lots of folk going to take it up next year, suddenly round the cans is all the rage.

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