AC MEDIA
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Topic: AC MEDIA
Posted By: Oli
Subject: AC MEDIA
Date Posted: 15 Feb 10 at 1:32pm
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So what did you think of the coverage and interactivity of AC33? What do you think could be done to improve it for the next edition?
Personally I think Valencia daily episodes were complete tripe! especially on the non sailing days. we all knew that postponements and abandonments were going to be common place but to fill these episodes with utter nonsense was idiotic!
The live coverage when it got going was ok, but with just a video of a flag flying for hours on end, come on! The commentators where as you'd expect from sailing, good, well qualified sailors who know their stuff but don't have the experience to form a cohesive program like say rugby or football, which can make you feel part of the action. This is common place in sailing media though, because as a sport we cant seem to get airtime and thus start to improve our sport in this area. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the coverage, but could we not expect more these days?
I would of also liked a bit more interactivity, I know certain forums etc were going on during the races, but I talking about virtual spectator on your phone for example, or for the people who watched online to have the ability to choose between the different video feeds and VS from the official source, in effect becoming your own director, on which for me had the worst transmission in terms of coherent feed.
I know this is mostly ranting, but I genuinely interested in what people think could change to improve our sports AV media presence.
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Posted By: ellistine
Date Posted: 15 Feb 10 at 2:13pm
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Originally posted by slop_idol
Personally I think Valencia daily episodes were complete tripe! especially on the non sailing days. we all knew that postponements and abandonments were going to be common place but to fill these episodes with utter nonsense was idiotic! |
And my god that Sebastien fella had a very confused Franco-Aussie accent.
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Posted By: MikeBz
Date Posted: 15 Feb 10 at 2:30pm
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Sailing Anarchy's "Cocktail Hour" 'broadcasts' were very good.
Mike
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Posted By: Roy Race
Date Posted: 15 Feb 10 at 3:02pm
Originally posted by ellistine
Originally posted by slop_idol
Personally I think Valencia daily episodes were complete tripe! especially on the non sailing days. we all knew that postponements and abandonments were going to be common place but to fill these episodes with utter nonsense was idiotic! |
And my god that Sebastien fella had a very confused Franco-Aussie accent. |
Damien??
He was truly awful. I actually googled him and he seems to be mainly a producer at Eurosport, with little presenting experience and no sailing background to speak of at all. It felt like they spent all of their budget on Paul Cayard and had to get Damien to fill in as a presenter.
There was no need at all to have those two in Valencia. They didn't add anything to the overall experience. Back in the studio, Dee Cafari was only marginally better. On day 1, she commented that she wasn't an expert on this sort of racing. I forget her exact words, but it was along those lines. She continued to miss things or just get stuff wrong throughout the commentary. For example, on the last leg of the last race, BMWO were struggling to get down to the line in dropping pressure. They were obviously going to have to do a gybe for the line. A5 had seen this and had been working low for a while. It was as plain as day that A5 were going to make a big gain, but she got it the wrong way round and said that they were going too low. The ES commentators sounded all confused and surprised when BMWO's lead suddenly halved.
I actually turned the ES commentary right down and listened to Andy Green's commentary on the host feed and the pictures on the TV, along with commenting on the SA thread. I tried the OTWA page for a bit, but it just seemed to be some guy in a bar not really adding anything useful to the proceedings, so I gave up on it pretty quickly.
I thought AG was very good. He picked up on things quickly, knew the ins and outs and came across as a fan too.
I thought Sailing Anarchy could have done better. They seemed to struggle at first to find a format which worked, but at least they got people on the ground and had a go, and they did do some good interviews.
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Posted By: asterix
Date Posted: 15 Feb 10 at 3:25pm
I think Seb's accent is great, and his weekly "Des-Top News" articles are good too
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Résumé de Sebastien Destremau
Sebastien Destremau is a French / Australian citizen. He has organized, managed and competed in major yachting events for over 25 years, assisting clubs, sponsors, race organizers and competitors to gain maximum exposure for their campaigns and events.
Sebastien has worked on many high profile and prestigious events including the Clipper-Race 05/06, Velux 5 Oceans Race, 2006 Audi Etchell World Championship, Volvo Ocean Round the World Race, Sydney-Hobart, Olympic games, Multihull Grand Prix and America’s Cup.
He is an accredited freelance journalist with an extensive network of international media contacts. Sebastien has been published in England, USA, Sweden, France, Italy, Australia and New Zealand as well as working as a host producer for several TV networks.
He performed the role of commentator and expert analyst for the host at the Louis Vuitton Trophy in Auckland as well as in Nice and made an immediate impact.
He is the host/producer of DesTopNews since January 2009.
Sebastien also has an impressive sporting record
including five world titles, three European title and countless National titles.
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EVENTS MANAGER & PROMOTER, GUEST SPEAKER & PRESENTER, FREELANCE JOURNALIST and TV HOST PRODUCER, BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT MANAGER
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Posted By: Roy Race
Date Posted: 15 Feb 10 at 3:48pm
Oh, wrong person. I thought you were meaning Damien, who presented the Eurosport coverage alongside Paul Cayard.
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Posted By: ellistine
Date Posted: 15 Feb 10 at 3:58pm
Originally posted by Roy Race
Oh, wrong person. I thought you were
meaning Damien, who presented the Eurosport coverage
alongside Paul Cayard.
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No he was totally 100% French. Definitely no Ausie in him!
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 15 Feb 10 at 4:09pm
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On race 2, OTWA anarchy was good for their use of Virtual Eye- they were using it much more, and responding to requests in the chat channel. I had that, plus the "host brodcaster" stream (through one out of the AC33 website, Sky Sports or the BMW oracle site- think I settled on BMWO because it was most in-sync with OTWA) open simeltaneously, and switched between audio.
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Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 15 Feb 10 at 4:55pm
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I tend to find SA too biased, although they did some good interviews and the fact they actually got people there and gave it a go, I was disappointed though, especially as they give all the chat about everyone else being so rubbish you'd think they'd be better?? I'll admit I couldn't watch their feed because of their impartiality.
It would be nice in future to be able to select between commentaries and video feeds, perhaps someone can develop a video feed aggregator????
I think it would also be great if the teams showed more of their data, like speed, acceleration forces, etc so that could be integrated into the video and VS. would also be nice if in VS you could ghost race against the boats live. For example you have the choice of using a BMWO or ALINGHI so in affect you have 3 boats on the course virtually?! that way you can pit your wits against them in real time with the actual data VS receives from them and see if you could so any better?
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Posted By: Laser 173312
Date Posted: 16 Feb 10 at 9:09am
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Like most of the comments here I was disappointed with the TV coverage, and especially the Eurosport commentary. I also heard Dee Cafari say she didn’t know much about AC racing and my immediate thought was ‘Why’ve you taken the money then?’.
I watched most of the second race on the Skysports feed that did not seem to be overloaded like the AC.com feed, but for some reason Sky stopped the feed before the end of the race. so it was back to AC.com, but at least both of those feeds had Peter Montgomery commentating. As far as I’m concerned he is the voice of the America’s Cup
I was in work on the Friday and so I had to use the Skysports feed with no sound and kept up to date via one of the forums on SA. Saw a few others from Y&Y there as well. Really I enjoyed most the stuff on the internet in the build up more than the event coverage.
If you can discount the babble on SA there is plenty of real stuff to get your teeth into. MB’s (for those that know SA) thread with almost daily pictures from the time the boats arrived through to Larry leaving with the cup was an absolute gem. Also in the last couple of weeks there was a thread looking a the weather forecasts and models that I found most instructive. And of course before Christmas we had the streaming video of Dogzilla’s first trials with the wing sail.
In the end the TV companies came nowhere near the internet community, because they could not be as flexible in just putting on the coverage when it happened.
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Posted By: Oatsandbeans
Date Posted: 16 Feb 10 at 8:50pm
I personally didn't like the Andy Green commentary (on BMWO web site), at
one time in race one he said that it was "a really close race between the two
boats" this was after BMWO had sailed from 650m. behind and to leeward of
A5 to parallel to it. What was he talking about? BMWO was going 10% faster
and higher. Was he just trying to talk up the race to make it sound like there
was going to be a real race and not a walk over (as there was). His other
comments were not much better. I thought that Cam Lewis was excellent -
good balance , understandable for the non sailors and still interesting for
the informed sailors watching. Although I did wonder what he thought of
the inane comments coming from his colleague Andy Green.
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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 17 Feb 10 at 4:47pm
Originally posted by Oatsandbeans
I personally didn't like the Andy Green commentary (on BMWO web site), at
one time in race one he said that it was "a really close race between the two
boats" this was after BMWO had sailed from 650m. behind and to leeward of
A5 to parallel to it. What was he talking about? BMWO was going 10% faster
and higher. Was he just trying to talk up the race to make it sound like there
was going to be a real race and not a walk over (as there was). His other
comments were not much better. I thought that Cam Lewis was excellent -
good balance , understandable for the non sailors and still interesting for
the informed sailors watching. Although I did wonder what he thought of
the inane comments coming from his colleague Andy Green. |
Blimey I would have said the opposite! I'm not an Andy Green fan, due to discussion and actions at a Wilson Trophy one year, but his spiel was pretty good especially during the 2nd race. Cam Lewis however, was on a totally different planet and even made Mr Simmonds Olympic coverage seem professional and accurate. At one point he was trying to tell us all that this was the first wing used in AC, WRONG!!! then he started going off on one about something totally unrelated for 2minutes.
I watched the coverage initially on Sky Sports News online, as this was the only feed that didnt try and buffer every second. However much to my annoyance it cut out halfway down the reach saying that it was the end of the broadcast! Switched to the BMW Oracle site and ended up putting up with the occasional pause while it buffered and caught up. Viewing from the official ac site was useless, I guess this was because I was unwilling to download the Rayv software they wanted me to use?
Anyway in general coverage was very good, just a shame the DOG courses are so large as the legs do seem to go on a bit. Shorter course more laps would have really demonstrated the boathandling a bit.
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Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 17 Feb 10 at 10:14pm
i have to thank mr gruitt for sending me this http://www.youtube.com/americascup#p/c/c9815CE1AC7F4FCC9 - link on friday at the beginning of race 1, its the official ac33 youtube channel, same feed but no buffering. they actually got something right!
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Posted By: JMC_DK
Date Posted: 23 Feb 10 at 11:27am
There wasn't much to cover. The 4 big mistakes could have gotten better real time coverage over the internet. Cam Lewis should have been on top of this, but it was like he was reading a ticker tape of the race.
When BMW jibed on the lay line; then slowed down measurably to go behind; and Alinghi did not tack on them, I was amazed that none of the commentators could see what BMWOR was trying and even more amazed when Alinhghi did nothing and three-times more amazed when the commentators did not immediately that Alinghi had just dug a hole for herself.
So, yes, I thought the commentators on the internet were only marginally better than a weather lady with large breasts would have been.
When will the next non-deed of gift challenge take place?
At this stage can the US challenger refuse another deed of gift challenger.
I'd pick 100 foot long Moths!
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Posted By: Laser 173312
Date Posted: 24 Feb 10 at 11:27am
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Originally posted by JMC_DK
At this stage can the US challenger refuse another deed of gift challenger |
GGYC have already recieved a challenge from Club Nautico di Roma and that is looking like a mutal consent match as various representitives where aboard The Rising Sun in BMWO gear.
Originally posted by Deed of Gift
when a challenge from a Club fulfilling all the conditions required by this instrument has been received, no other challenge can be considered until the pending event has been decided. |
see http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=150463 - http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=150463
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 24 Feb 10 at 12:06pm
Aye- GGYC have shown SNG the classier way to do it- have a challenger lined up, but have one that's an actual, not made-up-specially-for-the-purpose, real club and team.
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