Whats your Tow Car and Rig?
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Topic: Whats your Tow Car and Rig?
Posted By: radixon
Subject: Whats your Tow Car and Rig?
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 12:29pm
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What car do you tow your boat with?Me I have a 1.8 Focus to
tow my 200 or 700. (Taken on a phone hence pants pic) 
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Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 12:38pm
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Volvo V70 - 2.5T (Auto, Straight 5 + Petrol) Full leather interior, heated electric memory seats, and having lots of money spent on it (did a total of 11k miles in 6 years before I bought it!!) Was going to go for a diesil but as its my daily runabout car as well I don't do the mileage to make diesil pay. Low pressure turbo makes light work of towing, (and embarases the saxocorsaboys at the lights too http://www.brutalhosts.com/18/17102009008.jpg - http://www.brutalhosts.com/18/17102009%28008%29.jpg - http://www.brutalhosts.com/18/17102009(008).jpg ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 12:54pm
| How many of you own boats that are sufficiently heavy that it makes any significant difference what you drag the thing along with? |
Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 12:55pm
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Ford Connect LBW (just big enough to get Laser spars and 49er sails in length ways). The 1.8 diesel will tow 2 49ers or RIB will Laser on the roof quite happily   ------------- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Be-Your-Own-Tactics-Coach/dp/0470973218/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312565831&sr=8-1 - |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 12:56pm
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Probably not many, but if you're going to do it you may as well do it with some sort of comfort! Remember, every car can tow, it may take a bit longer to get to get going, but they all can .. the problem comes from stopping! ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: dave.blakesley
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 1:20pm
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My dodgy old astra 1.6 with my "special" modifications... That manages to tow the 18 footer no worries, and for once i completely agree with jim, how many people actually own boats that warrant having a powerful towing car... ------------- |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 1:30pm
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Just use my Company car at moment which i picked to slow me down!! (VW Jetta TDI) its going back end of next month i just need to decide what to get next list so far: Passat estate Mondeo estate Volvo V50 Saab 9-3 sports tourer Insignia estate Maybe able to sneak in an A4 or 3 series, but would probably be a sh*t spec. I don't have to have an estate but they are useful with a big dog, two kids and two day sailing events (i sleep in the car) ------------- |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 1:31pm
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I realise this won't help the company, but I'd avoid the Saab given they're on the point of going tits up. ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: English Dave
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 1:51pm
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Honda Accord Estate 2.2 diesel. I tow 1 and sometimes 2 Hurricane5.9s so that would be about 650kg all up. I need the estate for all the other stuff i seem to have to carry. Camping gear, daughter's bike, fully battened mainsail etc. I got along fine with the petrol Saab93 i had before but it's a long climb from Dublin to Newry and the diesel is better for the role. Also it has cruise control to maximise progress while staying the right side of Mr Plod and i can sleep in the back with the seats down. ------------- English Dave http://www.ballyholme.com - Ballyholme Yacht Club (You'd think I'd be better at it by now) Hurricane 5.9 SX RS700 |
Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 2:04pm
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VOLVO 850 TDI, PERFECT. WILL TOW ANYTHING sorry caps, now it works ------------- TWO FRANK-Hunter Impala |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 2:10pm
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I noticed your van has those special 'foot wells' in the bonnet that you can place your feet in when you are untying the boat too Jon....very pimp! ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Fans1024
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 2:14pm
| When I lived at home and sailed the 200, Land Rover defender 90 TD5... would tow a 747 if wanted to. My car at the time [olde 306 1.4] could've towed but the tow hitch was probably worth half the valve of the car.... |
Posted By: chrisg
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 2:21pm
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My car does have a tow bar:
but use Amy's 156 diesel sportwagon if going a long way as we prefer some comfort if going any distance... (plus its an excuse to drive it as its really good fun too - the only turboweasel i've actually enjoyed driving!) ------------- |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 2:24pm
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Our y reg saxo 1.1 tows the fireball absolutley fine and its done a healthy 138,000 miles, plenty of life left in it stil too.
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Posted By: MattK
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 2:27pm
My tow bar assembly weighs 40% off the hull weigh of my boat, slight overkill, and the all up towing weight is probably comparable to having 4 friends in the car... power isn't an issue |
Posted By: ASok
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 2:28pm
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Normally rob a manky old Toyota Hilux from work. Good fun and easy to tow with. However, I much prefer loading my boat up on a mates double stacker and sharing the fuel bill. More environmentally friendly and means I can take the Mazda 6 hatchback to the event and sleep in the boot!! Like earlier comments, I don't think towing a dinghy needs any large car. Towing a cat does need some grunt as you do get drag if you leave the tramp on! The only boat I've every towed and needed pulling and stopping power is a J24 and they have a little more weight than your average dinghy! ------------- |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 3:00pm
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S reg subaru legacy outback estate awd 2.5 automatic cruise control thing. I really like it. Did two big trips with it last week collecting tanks, sorry, GP14s, no worries at all. Nor in the snow. Has a special button I push makes it grip better.....or something like that.... Used to haul the 470 around behind a fiat uno.... ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 3:38pm
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Helm just got a Mercedes Vito swb two seater. No need for more seats, and takes bikes etc easily as well as sailing gear. Popular choice in the B14 fleet. ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: s.a.l.t.y
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 5:30pm
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My Dads VW Passat 1.9TDi Estate. Its a complete barge but
has no problems towing and is big enough to fit all my sailing sh*t it with room to spare. Its gotta tow an 800 and a 600 to the winters at Grafham in a couple of weeks. It should make light work of the journey. The joys of being the only 'yoof' at the club with my own car insurance that lets me drive other peoples cars  ------------- |
Posted By: Jon Emmett
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 5:32pm
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Slightly off topic but... The problem with the Vitos is they are RWD which means when they don't have a heavy load in the back they can have poor traction. I saw loads of them slipping and sliding all over the place the other week when we had lots of snow and ice... You don't get this problem with the transists and Transporters which are FWD. ------------- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Be-Your-Own-Tactics-Coach/dp/0470973218/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312565831&sr=8-1 - |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 5:35pm
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Original shape 2l Scenic, simply because it was there at the time. Best tow car (ie, make no difference to performance with 2 boats behind and 1 on the roof), 1.5l Lada Riva estate. Sadly rusted away over a decade ago... ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 6:27pm
Havn't got a tow bar fitted to the corsa yet but may well do. 1L, 3 pots and 12Volts should tow the 14 ok  . May get the crew to tow with his Landrover 90 tdi should cope just fine although I don't know weather I trust his driving
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Posted By: patj
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 6:50pm
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This was our rig at Pyefleet Week 2008. Large free standing awning extended the space and the bikes enabled us to get from the quiet campsite at the top of town to the club for the evening without driving. Four extra masts and various centreboards sails and rudders were added later - cvrda transport service at work! The van is the 1.9 petrol engine which has more horses than any of the diesel versions and will do 80mph towing the boat. 1992 vintage and now 173000 miles. Best insult to a BMW driver - overtake him with a camper van....towing a boat....driven by a woman
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Posted By: Webmuppet
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 7:08pm
 Low budget mafia staff car.........it should do the job ! Nigel ------------- I am the milkman of human kindness, I will leave an extra pint (Billy Bragg) Graduate 2530 'Galaxy' |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 7:32pm
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Its all about the nissan mirca 1.2 from 1989 have towed a double stacker of cherub and a rs200 and kit in the back of the car, worked just fine. hopefully work even better at towing now i have a 'special button' on my dashboard! ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: Webmuppet
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 7:48pm
Ejector seat for passenger ? Nigel ------------- I am the milkman of human kindness, I will leave an extra pint (Billy Bragg) Graduate 2530 'Galaxy' |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 7:56pm
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Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 8:45pm
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Audi A4 2.5 v6 tdi or Galaxy 2.3 (petrol) tows 49er or 5000 (when I'm sailing!) and rooftop a Mirror. ------------- 49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)! http://www.grafham.org/" rel="nofollow - Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country |
Posted By: s.a.l.t.y
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 8:57pm
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I remember seeing this on the Vortex Association website ages ago. Now which end of the outfit is heaviest do you think? http://sailvortex.org/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=31&func=view&id=1887&catid=2 - http://sailvortex.org/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Ite mid=31&func=view&id=1887&catid=2 ------------- |
Posted By: Jamesd
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 9:36pm
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HAHA that is a nice Mini though
We had this conversation at the club once, a guy there swears he used to drive two ents around behind a mini, he just avoided big hills. Cant quite see it myself tbh. I have a golf, tows two boats fine, but struggles with two boats four people and kit, so it kinda defeats the point of double stacking and sharing costs as you really need two cars |
Posted By: laser193713
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 9:46pm
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54 plate clio 1.6 towed my laser with a 29er on top of the trailer to london for the BUSA fleet nationals from plymouth, only struggled slightly on the hills on the way back into plymouth. The main problem was the 29er wings making the trailer take off when you got close to the speed limit. gave me a few frights!
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 26 Jan 10 at 10:28pm
Ha! it's his 20 grand. He says the Vito was the only one with a sufficiently adjustable seat (he's a tall guy) ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: Wodman
Date Posted: 27 Jan 10 at 1:02am
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I'm allowed to borrow SWMBOs Nissan X-Trail to tow my Scout
Groups Wayfarers or Visions on a double stacker - but only if she doesn't need it to tackle two miles of town traffic to her school! Best tow car I've had yet, 2wd economy, 4wd when needed to spare the embarrassment of getting stuck. Stable at the legal limit (honestly, officer) with two Wayfarers and kit on the back and with a cavernous boot as well. ------------- Richard. |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 27 Jan 10 at 10:01am
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There was a photo posted on here somewhere of a Fiat 126 with a Contender on the roof towing and a double stacker on a tow bar (Winging It, did you post it)..... ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: tomoore1
Date Posted: 27 Jan 10 at 4:28pm
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for me its a 52plate laguna 1.9 DCI. Just as efficient at 70 as 60 due to a nice 6th gear I did tow a double stacker of 29er and rs300 with the car filled to the brim of my uni rubbish in my old 306 diesel (no turbo). I will always go for a diesel now, lovely torque. ------------- Restoring Firefly 517 |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 30 Jan 10 at 8:51pm
Updated my post on the front page, here is how we transport 4 Lasers in one go, towed by a Nissan Terano this time round. ------------- |
Posted By: Rockhopper
Date Posted: 30 Jan 10 at 9:05pm
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Ford galaxy tdi for me six speed box so good on fuel and great for towing the boats either double stacked vareos or the five on its own.Its even better when you put the fuel chip in it (38 bhp) extra power at the flick of a switch . ------------- Retired now after 35 seasons in a row and time for a rest. 2004 national champ Laser5000 2007,2010,National Champ Rs Vareo |
Posted By: Xpletive
Date Posted: 30 Jan 10 at 9:29pm
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God! You lot take so much for granted! Here's mine....
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 31 Jan 10 at 12:20am
In the days when motorways were fewer and traffic much lighter and slower this wouldn't have been regarded as that big a deal. If you had to go up the hills in second then so be it... |
Posted By: Jon711
Date Posted: 31 Jan 10 at 1:50pm
| An 05 Vectra 1.9 Diesel, handles the Blaze well. In fact I have to remind my self the boat is there. I seem to recall that the Vectra was the caravan clubs towcar of the year in about 2005... |
Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 31 Jan 10 at 5:57pm
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Landrover Defender 90 - on a F plate, so its 20 years old and has 170000 on the clock. I love my old landy - it just keeps on going and going and going ------------- When you find a big kettle of crazy it's probably best not to stir it - Pointy Haired Boss Crew on 505 8780 |
Posted By: timeintheboat
Date Posted: 31 Jan 10 at 6:53pm
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Never mind the car, I amazes when I go for a weeks sailing
and the car, boot, boat, back seats and roof box are chocka. I look around and there are people in their fiestas with no roof box and empty back seats. How? Perhaps I just smell better. I mean how much stuff do you need? ------------- Like some other things - sailing is more enjoyable when you do it with someone else |
Posted By: Rockhopper
Date Posted: 01 Feb 10 at 8:13am
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perhaps they put some gear in the boat i know i leave all the sails in the boat. ------------- Retired now after 35 seasons in a row and time for a rest. 2004 national champ Laser5000 2007,2010,National Champ Rs Vareo |
Posted By: Contender443
Date Posted: 01 Feb 10 at 1:01pm
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Seven Contenders and 1 Discovery =
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Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 01 Feb 10 at 1:21pm
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There is one we have all forgotten about ..
Who needs a car AND a boat when you can have:  ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: Slippery Jim
Date Posted: 02 Feb 10 at 10:02am
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X-trail 2.0 cdi April 2008. 170 Hp 365 nm torque diesel manual 6-speed,
diff. lock, all mod cons, cruise control inc. When pulling the 59er on an old West-Mercia trailer you just don ´t notice she´s there.  ------------- Pass the skiff, man! |
Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 02 Feb 10 at 10:24am
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Can't believe this video wasn't posted from the Vortex page http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAfZ1N56qjY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAfZ1N56qjY Next time I see a Finn or somethgin else heavy being towed by something small i'll be thinking of that |
Posted By: Slippery Jim
Date Posted: 02 Feb 10 at 10:33am
ouch!  ------------- Pass the skiff, man! |
Posted By: Steve411
Date Posted: 02 Feb 10 at 3:41pm
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Ford Galaxy 2.8 V6. Six speed box - sh*te on fuel. ------------- Steve B RS300 411 https://www.facebook.com/groups/55859303803" rel="nofollow - RS300 page |
Posted By: Slippery Jim
Date Posted: 02 Feb 10 at 3:54pm
Don´t mess with chips. Did a perfectly orlrighty Renault espace (last model) cdi in by doing that. 1st clutch went after 28 000 Km three clutches klater and at 38 000 turbo packed in.  Just don´t go there if the
manufacturer doesn´t do it in the first place... ------------- Pass the skiff, man! |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 02 Feb 10 at 4:29pm
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Especially Renault Espaces, they are an absolute nightmare. Although i support your point Jim, the manufacturer spends millions of pounds on developing efficient and complexed ECU's and engine mapping, why would a £150 chip improve it??? ------------- |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: 02 Feb 10 at 4:29pm
Some dumb yank.... must strap boat to trailer, mustn't drive into traffic light pole. Don't eat and drive... |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 02 Feb 10 at 10:01pm
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means you can make a 1.2L kick out the same power as a 1.6 ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: I luv Wight
Date Posted: 02 Feb 10 at 10:45pm
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1994 Peugeot 405 1.6 estate, but I normally roof rack everywhere to keep the ferry costs down. It's never felt quite the same after doing the Pico nationals with 3 boats on a trailer, 7 rigs on the roof, + 3 lads and camping stuff in the car. It was a bit slow on hills, even on the motorway, 2nd gear needed at times.
------------- " rel="nofollow - http://www.bloodaxeboats.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.bloodaxeboats.co.uk Andy P foiling Int Moth GBR3467 Freedom 21 Codling |
Posted By: Slippery Jim
Date Posted: 03 Feb 10 at 7:17am
Due to lack of umph in the low revs area. No good if you´re towin´  ------------- Pass the skiff, man! |
Posted By: Slippery Jim
Date Posted: 03 Feb 10 at 7:19am
Cheap ferry costs offset by car repair bills???  ------------- Pass the skiff, man! |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 03 Feb 10 at 9:28am
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Just tow with a diesel then, plenty of torque all across the rev range! Having said that I towed a Scorpion on a heavy old trailer from Hunts to Sidmouth with a 206SW 1.4 petrol and had no issues at all. It was not as nice as using a 307 2.0 HDi which I had the previous year though. ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: I luv Wight
Date Posted: 03 Feb 10 at 10:21am
It's still going ( spending £0 on it in repairs in two years, costing £500 originally ) but it's time I got a new(er) one with a bit more go. ------------- " rel="nofollow - http://www.bloodaxeboats.co.uk" rel="nofollow - http://www.bloodaxeboats.co.uk Andy P foiling Int Moth GBR3467 Freedom 21 Codling |
Posted By: Slippery Jim
Date Posted: 03 Feb 10 at 10:35am
It WAS a diesel. As I said, the previous MATRA model, before Renault started making their own. ------------- Pass the skiff, man! |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 12 Feb 10 at 10:23am
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This was picked up yesterday as a restoration / rebuild project ... It already has the mountings and brackets in for the towbar, electrics are in, we just need to rebuild the car, get it through an MOT, and we have a tax-free tow car! (And if anyone needs a cheap wedding car .. 1978 Rover 100, 4 owners and 75,000 miles since then. (I apologise for the pic quality, taken on the HTC at 10pm last night) http://www.brutalhosts.com/Rover100/IMAG0057.jpg - Clicky
------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 12 Feb 10 at 11:04am
Another BLYM project, but then again, I could use this to tow with:
(this is the pre restore state, 2 years ago) ------------- |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 15 Feb 10 at 12:30pm
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Richard, it isnt a blym related project... but Villan and Myself are involved in the restoration of it, towing that for 2 hours wasn't that fun... 40mph uphill with the 1.9 van ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 15 Feb 10 at 12:37pm
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Ratface - did you manage to get any pics of this weekends `rig? ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 15 Feb 10 at 1:51pm
Just reading through this.............. a few questions; are you sure thats a 1978? And free road tax has to be registered before jan 1st 1973? ------------- 49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)! http://www.grafham.org/" rel="nofollow - Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 15 Feb 10 at 2:25pm
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Yeh, the paperwork we had was from 1978, its actually a 63 (iirc) .. CYD623A ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 15 Feb 10 at 2:26pm
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I thought exactly the same is it a P4 100?? If so early 60's?? ------------- |
Posted By: catmandoo
Date Posted: 15 Feb 10 at 3:57pm
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Mates Disco towing a Stealth Topped with an A , 100 miles n It blew up !!!!! Recovery transporter completed the remaining 250 effortlessly and I drank my carry oot !
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Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 15 Feb 10 at 4:58pm
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that brings back memories! i broke down in my disco towing the sb3 to torquay! from essex i got within 30 miles of the sailing club! not happy! i got them to tow me to the club and hotel and garage. had to pay to get the disco back to essex (not cheap!) a friend towed the sb3 back. ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
Posted By: BarnsieB14768
Date Posted: 15 Feb 10 at 7:29pm
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Well fun to drive and tows with plenty of poke and occasionally tows vehicles out at Winter Pursuits when the ground thaws whilst sailing leaving them sunk in the mud I tow with an all drive Subaru Impreza WRX STI 5 door classic. Only thing is the turbo would not like the double stacker Its great because you can take it sailing, do the run to the tip, drive in ice and snow with confidence and if inclined to do that track day, blast around the track as well. |
. Only down side is it likes plenty of gasPosted By: hollandsd
Date Posted: 17 Feb 10 at 1:15pm
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Well, when i get the towbar fitted, my new tow car and rig is a Mk3 Golf Vr6 Highline 2.8L V6 engine pleanty of power and torque. And 35mpg on the motorway so not too thirsty.
Dan ------------- Laser 184084 Tasar 3501 RS600 698 RS600 782 |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 17 Feb 10 at 2:13pm
Smooth engine the VR6, sounds fantastic! 35 MPG extra-urban is rubbish fella, but then the VR6 engine has always ben know for its frankly piss poor fuel consumption! Its even worse with the autobox!!! Be interesting to see what you get with a boat on the back!! Round town it drops to low 20's late teens if i remember correctly ------------- |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 17 Feb 10 at 3:06pm
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Hey, who drives for fuel economy these days? With the amount you pay for Road Tax, you may as well drive it like you stole it! ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 17 Feb 10 at 3:16pm
More so then ever these days, i am doing about 52k a year. I pay for the fuel now and claim it back! every mile counts trust me! ------------- |
Posted By: padle or sail
Date Posted: 12 Oct 10 at 12:17am
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villan as you said (And if anyone needs a cheap wedding car .. ) i think with recent event this may be needed sooner!!!! |