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Topic: Hobie 17
Posted By: Gladys
Subject: Hobie 17
Date Posted: 12 Jul 09 at 4:17pm

Bit of a quandry here so i may need some help.

I'm 14 years old sailing in brightlingsea and trying to get onto cats, i've sailed various types and come to like hobies.

Now that i'm trying to move on from my first boat (Topaz Vibe - i'm growing to dislike more and more) i want a cheap single hand cat, considering my size (6ft tall and 13 stone) that cuts out most smaller cats but i've noticed that theres a few hobie 17's in this area very cheap.

Has anyone got any ideas as to if its suitable and why they're so cheap?

All sugestions greatly appreciated.



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Posted By: Dermot M
Date Posted: 12 Jul 09 at 10:21pm
Originally posted by Gladys

Bit of a quandry here so i may need some help.

I'm 14 years old sailing in brightlingsea and trying to get onto cats, i've sailed various types and come to like hobies.

Now that i'm trying to move on from my first boat (Topaz Vibe - i'm growing to dislike more and more) i want a cheap single hand cat, considering my size (6ft tall and 13 stone) that cuts out most smaller cats but i've noticed that theres a few hobie 17's in this area very cheap.

Has anyone got any ideas as to if its suitable and why they're so cheap?

All sugestions greatly appreciated.

The Hobie 17 is very heavy and awkward - but it should be cheap. Go up the road and talk to Henry White - ask him about the Topaz 14 EXTREME - it would be a bit dearer, but very suitable for the conditions there - and fast. He might do a deal on a demo boat.



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Posted By: Captain Morgan
Date Posted: 13 Jul 09 at 11:06am

The Topaz 14 Extreme is definitely one of the best options, it's being marketed as the ideal "cheap" entry level cat for younger/lighter sailors. There's also the Hobie Dragoon, which is aimed towards the same end of the market (though Hobie UK say that it makes a really good adult single-hander).

Hobie 17 - most probably too large and unwieldy, and therefore not suitable. Cheap because they are older(?), and there seems to be a bit of a migration away from having costly-to-berth, little-used beach cats (though don't take my word for it).



Posted By: Gladys
Date Posted: 13 Jul 09 at 11:50am

I'd already considered that but due to being a cadet instructor i need a 3 sail that can take 4-5 people.

Also the new boats are a bit pricy considering budget 17's are half the price! 



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You're a sailor when you will leave port in any wind,
You're a good sailor when you can get back!


Posted By: English Dave
Date Posted: 13 Jul 09 at 11:22pm
The problem is they don't really make singlehanded boats
that can also take 4 or 5 people! In fact they don't make
many beach cats that can take 4-5 pax. My Hurricane is a
great load carrier but I think it would struggle with 5 on
board. And that's a 20' cat.

If you want to race and sail single handed and you wnat to
do it cheap you'd do worse than a Dart18. But Dermot is
right. At Brightlingsea you have access to an awful lot of
good catamarans and good catamaran sailors. Ask around

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Posted By: Dermot M
Date Posted: 13 Jul 09 at 11:28pm
Originally posted by Gladys

I'd already considered that but due to being a cadet instructor i need a 3 sail that can take 4-5 people.

Also the new boats are a bit pricy considering budget 17's are half the price! 

You did ask about a singlehanded cat. The Hobie 17 is not a 3 sail cat, and, because of low buoyancy hulls (and age), will not sail well with 4-5 people.



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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 14 Jul 09 at 9:09am
Originally posted by Dermot M

Originally posted by Gladys

I'd already considered that but due to being a cadet instructor i need a 3 sail that can take 4-5 people.

Also the new boats are a bit pricy considering budget 17's are half the price! 

You did ask about a singlehanded cat. The Hobie 17 is not a 3 sail cat, and, because of low buoyancy hulls (and age), will not sail well with 4-5 people.

Agreed.  I would NOT take 5 on a H17, the hulls do not have the volume to cope!

I would not take 5 on my F16 and it is designed to be sailed 1 or 2 up; 

As stated above a 20 foot cat such as the Hurricane would struggle with 5.



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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 14 Jul 09 at 9:20am
A Dart 16 is, from experience, quite happy with an adult and three kids (up to about age 15 or so) on board. Not full performance, obviously, but certainly not struggling. And that's with the standard two sail set up. There's a fair range of options now, up to three sail twin wire. Rotomolded, so all but bulletproof.

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Posted By: Gladys
Date Posted: 14 Jul 09 at 2:24pm

Right i think i'll have to forget instructing and just go for a 2/ 3 hander.

plus you cant race darts single handed.

i think i just found a gaping hole in the cat market.



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You're a sailor when you will leave port in any wind,
You're a good sailor when you can get back!


Posted By: ASok
Date Posted: 14 Jul 09 at 3:43pm

Yes you can race Dart's singlehanded. 

The Dart 18 singlehanded is raced off the same handicap or one point lower under SCHRS (I think thats correct).  You just leave the jib and crew on the beach.  Really good fun, fast and manageable.  The Darts have a singlehanded event, which is always a highlight of the year.

Otherwise, the 15 (Sprint / Dart / Whatever) has a number of different formats that would suit.

As for the gap in the market for a cat that can carry 4/5 people - I think you are definietly moving away from the beach cat market there and moving into large crusiers!

 



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Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 14 Jul 09 at 4:54pm
I'd get a Dart/Sprint 15 using the budget you have and not worry about Tutoring from it.

After all, 4/5 people on a 2 person boat will go slow, even tacking will take ages. It would be best to take it in turns and only take 2 people out at a time.


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Posted By: Wee Man
Date Posted: 14 Jul 09 at 6:52pm
For 4/5 people you might get away with a Hobie 18 Formula (park bench mounted on each side) or, if you can find one, a Hobie 21. Both big & heavy.


Posted By: Gladys
Date Posted: 16 Jul 09 at 5:43pm

I've just found another option but it may be a bit big:

Hobie pacific with cruising wings and furling jib,

can you sail that single handed with just main.



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You're a sailor when you will leave port in any wind,
You're a good sailor when you can get back!


Posted By: Dermot M
Date Posted: 16 Jul 09 at 8:48pm
Originally posted by Gladys

I've just found another option but it may be a bit big:

Hobie pacific with cruising wings and furling jib,

can you sail that single handed with just main.

You can sail any cat singlehanded - if the wind is light enough. The main thing is, you should not head out on a cat that you cannot right with the crew you have onboard. You should never depend on outside assistance. So, singlehanding a Hobie Pacific is out. You would never launch and recover it on your own anyway.



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Posted By: Gladys
Date Posted: 17 Jul 09 at 3:11pm
Its not launching and recovering i'm worried about its just that sailing with cadets you inevitably get someone leaping off and seeming that theres always plenty of soaked people swimming around capsizing isn't an issue (theres always a rescue boat to walk up the mast anyway).

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You're a sailor when you will leave port in any wind,
You're a good sailor when you can get back!


Posted By: English Dave
Date Posted: 20 Jul 09 at 3:09pm
Originally posted by Gladys

Its not launching and recovering i'm
worried about its just that sailing with cadets you
inevitably get someone leaping off and seeming that
theres always plenty of soaked people swimming around
capsizing isn't an issue (theres always a rescue boat to
walk up the mast anyway).


Sorry Gladys but Dermot is quite right about taking out a
boat that you cannot right on your own. Relying on a
safety boat for righting shows bad seamanship and sets a
bad example to your Cadets.

If the worst was to happen, the boat capsized and you
were unable to right the boat on yr own then you could be
deemed negligent. Likewise if your cadets seem to view a
catamaran as a mobile diving platform. If you are an
instructor you must take reasonable care of your cadets.

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(You'd think I'd be better at it by now)

Hurricane 5.9 SX
RS700


Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 20 Jul 09 at 5:33pm

Originally posted by English Dave

Originally posted by Gladys

Its not launching and recovering i'm
worried about its just that sailing with cadets you
inevitably get someone leaping off and seeming that
theres always plenty of soaked people swimming around
capsizing isn't an issue (theres always a rescue boat to
walk up the mast anyway).


Sorry Gladys but Dermot is quite right about taking out a
boat that you cannot right on your own. Relying on a
safety boat for righting shows bad seamanship and sets a
bad example to your Cadets.

If the worst was to happen, the boat capsized and you
were unable to right the boat on yr own then you could be

 

Agreed.
deemed negligent. Likewise if your cadets seem to view a
catamaran as a mobile diving platform. If you are an
instructor you must take reasonable care of your cadets.



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