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Race Flag Equipment

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Forum Name: Race Management
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Topic: Race Flag Equipment
Posted By: River Witch
Subject: Race Flag Equipment
Date Posted: 30 Jun 09 at 6:59am
Hello,
Our race judges are tired of raising the flags by hand. Does anyone have suggestions on types of equipment that flip the flags up mechanically or with springs, etc.?


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Linda



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Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 30 Jun 09 at 8:13am
Blimey, they lazy or something?

You want a mecahnical winch system, but they they may be lazy to press a button.


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Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 30 Jun 09 at 8:16am
Only cheap and easy solution I can think of would be some arrangement with bungee, the main danger being premature hoists. Other than that it's going to get a bit complicated and possibly a bit expensive.

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Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard"
Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch"
Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air"
Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile"


Posted By: ColPrice2002
Date Posted: 30 Jun 09 at 8:53am

Long time ago,

One of my Club members attempted to build an electro-mechanical hoisting/lowering system. One of the problems was that the hoist was some 40-50 feet, and there was a considerable amount of inertia in the system.

That caused problems with the limit switches - the flag would hoist, the limit switch trip out, but the inertia of the system (including the electric motor) caused it to over-run. I suspect that similar problems still exist - though it may be possible to bouild a system with a faster response.

The other problem with a mechanical system is the lack of flexibility - a normal start sequence is ok, but you need to consider the addition of "L" (cousre change) - recall (individual or general) postponement - and shortening course. All of these are straight forward with flags (even including the rummage in the flag locker/bucket) but a mechanical system needs to have the same flexibility.

Colin



Posted By: JohnW
Date Posted: 30 Jun 09 at 9:42am

There is an old bar legend at our club of a system that raised and lowered flags on electric car aerials.  Unfortunately it was before my time so I havnt seen it first hand.

 



Posted By: Graham T
Date Posted: 30 Jun 09 at 11:15am
Back in the day when I sailed at Broadstairs we used to
roll the flag up and tie the bottom end of the halliard
round it with a slip knot. The flag could then be hoisted
before the start and it only took a sharp tug on the
halliard to fly it on the signal. Easy to do and no
troublesome hoisting of a full flag which sounds like such
hard work at your club....

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Osprey 55 "Tebutinnang"
Osprey 1245 "Two Bob Bit"
Miracle 1358 "Thumper"


Posted By: jlecou
Date Posted: 30 Jun 09 at 1:12pm

Aldenham SC has recently installed a home made system which has the "flags" already flying above the starting box (on a fixed line on a lake) with one side of each "flag" panel painted with the flag and the other side blank.  The OOD just has to rotate the rod supporting the required flag 180degs at hoist or drop stage to either show or remove...

James



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RS400 880 : Laser 203302 : King George SC


Posted By: Helmsman
Date Posted: 02 Jul 09 at 9:15am

One solution is to display images of flags using a large two dimensional computer controlled LED panel similar to those used for advertisements. The main disadvantages are the cost (about £5000 per square metre) and the power requirement (about 900W per square metre). Another solution is to have a permanent display of flags painted on boards with a lamp above each board which indicates which is relevant. This is cheap and simple but needs a large amount of space. An indication of the flag size required can be obtained by comparison with the size of a car number plate which is just legible at 20 metres. For instance if the far end of the starting line is 400 metres from the flag then it can be shown by simple proportion that the flag needs to be nearly 2 metres high. This is only a rough indication because the contrast within a car number plate is better than within a flag, and colour blindness is not a problem either. Also there is a legal requirement for motor car drivers to wear spectacles if their eyesight is defective but this does not apply to helmsmen. For the above reasons many clubs use lamps because they are easier to control and easier to see than flags. 



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Mad Scientist


Posted By: laser4000
Date Posted: 02 Jul 09 at 11:13am
West Kirby Sailing Club have pretty much ditched the flags for the Wilson Trophy, instead they have a BIG countdown time that sits on top of the committee boat and is easily seen by the competitors & spectators.  Recalls are indicated with a flashing yellow light (like on a construction / road work vehicle)

The flagpole is still used however for postponements and to hoist the buckets that indicate which coloured flights are on next.






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