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Gelcoat repairs - tape or no tape ?

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Topic: Gelcoat repairs - tape or no tape ?
Posted By: Webmuppet
Subject: Gelcoat repairs - tape or no tape ?
Date Posted: 07 Jun 09 at 8:04pm
To cut a long story short, my beloved Laser had an accident and suffered some nasty dings along the gunnel, having dug out any loose gelcoat is seems that there's nothing structural and it looks like a fairly straight forward application of new gelcoat. I have some genuine Laser "Vela Grey" gelcoat - if I tape over the repair to help it keep the shape of the gunnel it will save me a lot of sanding, but will it still harden OK ?  ........any recomendations ?

Many thanks in advance,

Nigel


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I am the milkman of human kindness, I will leave an extra pint (Billy Bragg)

Graduate 2530 'Galaxy'



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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 07 Jun 09 at 8:09pm
Nigel i can confirm that yes it will dry properly, I always tape a gunnel repair as it saves loads of time sanding.

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Posted By: foaminatthedeck
Date Posted: 07 Jun 09 at 8:14pm
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It depends on the tape.

PVC/Electrical tape tends to dissolve.

Masking tape or packing tape should be fine as long as you don't mix the 'resin' so that it heats up (exothermic reaction) to the point where it melts the tape ( don't put too much hardener in ).

Most if not all polyesters and for that mind epoxies will set with out exposure to the air AFAIK.






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Lark 2170


Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 07 Jun 09 at 9:40pm
Parcel tape or an overhead projector sheet held down with masking tape tend to work best.

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Posted By: dics
Date Posted: 08 Jun 09 at 9:11am

A bit different. I mixed up some epoxy resin and put into a mould which had some making tape around the top. The epoxy reacted with the glue on the tape and made a load of foaming bubbles. In fear of an impending explosion I placed the whole lot in the middle of the garden. To my disappointment it fizzled out and was rather uneventful. The part of the epoxy that reacted with the tape was very weak and brittle.

I found this a good way of making a repair to something like the gunwale. Use a mate's undamaged laser to make a mould of the part you damaged. Slap some vaseline on the gunwale and place strips of newpaper on the vaseline (it will stick to it). Then build up by stricking more strips of news paper on with pritt stick. One you have built up to a reasonable thickness remove and place on a radiator for an hour or so. This will make the mould harden off. You then have a near perfect mould for which to place on top of yor repair to get the right shape.

You can use this technque to make mould of pretty much anything. I made epoxy mast chocks for the 300. Just remember to criss-cross the paper strips otherwise the mould will not have any strength in it.



Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 08 Jun 09 at 9:43am
Epoxy certainly needs no air to be able to react- after all, much epoxy moulding is done under vacuum bags.

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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 08 Jun 09 at 10:43am
I use mylar slot gasket tape with the shiny side applied to the wet gel or epoxy, then held in place with insulating tape.  It gives a lovely smooth finish and I have never had a problem with either the gel or epoxy going off.  It's also good for trailing edge repairs on foils because if you want to leave a slightly proud edge to then shape back the stiffness of the mylar tape will support the epoxy while it hardens.

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Posted By: ColPrice2002
Date Posted: 08 Jun 09 at 11:14am

Apparently the different resins harden in differnet ways...

Epoxy resin uses an oxidising hardner (exposure to the air makes no difference):-

Polyester resin (gelcoat) needs to be protected from the air, so I believe it uses a reducing hardner. (i.e. removes oxygen from the monomers).

That means that gelcoat put onto uncured epoxy will never set (I can confirm that!), and that either you exclude the air by taping (sellotape is good) over the gelcoat - or you can get gelcoat resin with a wax in it (this forms a skin on the repair and lets the gelcoat harden.)



Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 08 Jun 09 at 1:58pm

If you put MW solution (basically paraffin wax in styrene) in your gelcoat, it is designed to act as an air barrier and allows the gelcoat to go off without tape. However, you won't get the smooth finish, of course. Plastic Padding gelcoat filler (the white stuff) already has this or something similar in to allow it to go off.

If you don't have the right colour Laser/RS etc colour, with lots of fiddling you can get pretty close using either small amounts of acrylic paint or powder paint to change the colour. I was surprised that gelcoat still set with acrylic paint in it when I tried a bit from a model set one of the kids had.



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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686


Posted By: Webmuppet
Date Posted: 08 Jun 09 at 8:47pm
Thanks for your advice, it's most appreciated. I was hoping to do the gel-coat this evening but it's a bit cool - Saturday looks perfect though, warm and dry with not much wind (so I won't feel so bad about not sailing)

Cheers,

Nigel


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I am the milkman of human kindness, I will leave an extra pint (Billy Bragg)

Graduate 2530 'Galaxy'


Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 09 Jun 09 at 8:58am
What you need to do Nigel is wait till the other half is away then bring it all indoors and do it in front of the tv.  That's what I did with my rudder last night - and yes, I have had a laser in the house before now! 

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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 09 Jun 09 at 6:44pm
Originally posted by winging it

What you need to do Nigel is wait till the other half is away then bring it all indoors and do it in front of the tv.  That's what I did with my rudder last night - and yes, I have had a laser in the house before now! 


That remins me I need o give my foils some TLC....really must document it this time!


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Paul
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D-Zero GBR 74


Posted By: Webmuppet
Date Posted: 09 Jun 09 at 7:30pm
Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by winging it

What you need to do Nigel is wait till the other half is away then bring it all indoors and do it in front of the tv.  That's what I did with my rudder last night - and yes, I have had a laser in the house before now! 


That reminds me I need to give my foils some TLC....really must document it this time!


The same incident that caused the gel-coat damage also damaged the centreboard and the remedial work has indeed taken place in the house (epoxy then filler and now paint !)

Nigel

P.S. I did consider bringing the hull into the house LOL



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I am the milkman of human kindness, I will leave an extra pint (Billy Bragg)

Graduate 2530 'Galaxy'



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