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Topic: Protest Hearing Process

Posted By: Guest
Subject: Protest Hearing Process
Date Posted: 13 May 09 at 12:29pm

Does anyone have a flow chart that shows the process for a protest hearing?

If not a written list?

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Posted By: The Moo
Date Posted: 13 May 09 at 1:58pm

I believe it is covered quite well in Bryan Willis's book (see my reply to your other message)

Posted By: gordon
Date Posted: 13 May 09 at 6:26pm

The RYA have produced a version of Appendix M "Recommendations for Protest Committees" with detailed comments which is excellent.

I also reccomned a taking an RYA Judges Course. If nothing else you will learn how good your rules knoledge is - the test is not over difficult, but has to be completed quickly.

Gordon

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Gordon

Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 13 May 09 at 8:54pm

Originally posted by gordon

The RYA have produced a version of Appendix M "Recommendations for Protest Committees" with detailed comments which is excellent.

Any links to this?

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Posted By: gordon
Date Posted: 13 May 09 at 9:05pm

http://www.rya.org.uk/assets/racing/Web%20Documents/Best%20P ractices%20Guidance%20Notes/protest%20committee%20guidance%2 0v5.pdf

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Gordon

Posted By: expo09
Date Posted: 19 May 09 at 10:44am

Would also reccommend Bryan Willis's book.

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Posted By: carol h
Date Posted: 08 Jun 09 at 11:59am

Protest committee procedure is in the rule book, pages 132 - 137

Posted By: giraffe
Date Posted: 15 Jun 09 at 9:32pm

Step1 lie

Step2 lie consistently

Step3 repeat step2

Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 15 Jun 09 at 11:40pm

Originally posted by giraffe

Step1 lie

Step2 lie consistently

Step3 repeat step2

Step 4 get caught

Step 5 Rule 2

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Posted By: gordon
Date Posted: 16 Jun 09 at 8:30am

Rule 69 would be more appropriate. After giving a penalty, and reporting to the RYA as required, I would also consider a report to the competitors club. It may well be that they would not consider such a person as a suitable member.

Gordon

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Gordon

Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 16 Jun 09 at 8:49am

Originally posted by gordon

Rule 69 would be more appropriate. After giving a penalty, and reporting to the RYA as required, I would also consider a report to the competitors club. It may well be that they would not consider such a person as a suitable member.

Gordon

Thankfully such incidents are very few and far between. Although I do think people shy away from the protest process too much because they don;t want to upset anyone. It is still seen as confrontational whereas in reality it is normally a clarification of 2 different interpretations of the rules. It is a learning tool in some ways and should be viewed as such.

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Posted By: chrisarnell1
Date Posted: 16 Jul 09 at 4:38pm

Is anyone out there using the RYA Racing Charter Arbitration process and / or Exoneration Penalties?

Our Club adopted the charter a couple of seasons ago but we've not had any protests to deal with in that time. We're just updating our Sailing Instructions to incorporate these changes into our Protest procedures so does anyone have any feedback on how things such as exoneration penalties and Advisory hearings have made an impact on club racing and protests?

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Posted By: gordon
Date Posted: 17 Jul 09 at 11:14am

We use arbitration here in Ireland with some modifications to the RYA system. It works well IF the arbitrator is an experienced judge, preferably with umpiring experience. The system only really works if competitors have confidence in the arbitrator.

Personally, I think that a lot of the call for alternatives to protest hearings is due to mismanagement of the hearing process. It is perfectly possible to hold hearings as soon as boats come off the water. If the protest committee chairman is present as boats come in then hearings can be held within minutes, with competitors from other fleets serving as the other members of the committee. We regularily have all hearings done and dusted before the official protest time limit is over. You do not need a jury dressed in blazer and club tie, a protest room with green felt table and a portrait of a founding member of the club... When match racing or team racing we hold hearings on the water in a RIB. I have often heard protests in the dinghy park.

Both sytems require an experienced judge - and I find it helps to have been out on the water as this means that the judge has an idea of conditions on the day, may have seen the incident, and will be familiar to competitors.

So, the first step is not to modify the club SIs but get a few members to do an RYA Judges course!

Gordon

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Gordon