Ummm .. You what?
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Topic: Ummm .. You what?
Posted By: Villan
Subject: Ummm .. You what?
Date Posted: 18 Mar 09 at 10:46pm
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Y&Y News is now a "Rooster Blog" ? http://yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=145662 - http://yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=145662
Oh well, its got a good plot, and has a character named "Wolfgang" who really is German! Much win! Y&Y ... WHY do you allow "news" articles such as that? Just seems like he is making a total joke of the system. ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
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Posted By: Hector
Date Posted: 19 Mar 09 at 1:55am
| I had to check it wan't April Fools day - but if it helps me sail on into my 'dotage' I'm interested! |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 19 Mar 09 at 6:55am
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Not just a blog- a blog posting quackery and pseudoscience. ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 19 Mar 09 at 7:27am
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And really, it is a CLASSIC example of a quackery puff-piece- a "testimonial" type article with no criticism, no discussion of the efficiacy, the potential risks- hell, no discussion of the costs involved. Just one apparently satisfied customer.
I like to know from Steve: are you getting anything in return from Wolfgang for your promotional efforts? ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: Mark Jardine
Date Posted: 19 Mar 09 at 7:34am
We do have a discussion option with all news articles - feel free to put your opinions! You never know though - this might just work for Steve's hip! |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 19 Mar 09 at 8:30am
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It may. But there's no evidence AK actually works in the way it is claimed- chiropody in general is on pretty shaky ground. It's a trust issue, more than anything else. I think most people here respect Steve's ability and knowledge as relates to sailing and sailing equipment. This article abuses that trust by using that repect to try and flog us something medical instead. There's various tricks, classics of this sort of story- for instance, the recommendation from Steve's friend, who appears to be (and here's a suprise for any followers of Bad Science) a http://www.wolfgang-gertz.com/ - pill salesman? Again, no disrepect to his sailing abilities, but by "qualified doctor" is he a medical doctor, a doctor of philosophy (PhD by accreidited insitution) or even (worst case) a doctor like Gillian McKeith is? But all this shouldn't matter- it shouldn't be about perosnalities, or "my good friend", or a single positive annecdote from a "trustworthy" source. It should be about verifiable efficiacy. And it shouldn't be in an advertorial on a sailing site. I'm going to do more digging later. I have actual work to do in the meantime. ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: JohnW
Date Posted: 19 Mar 09 at 9:50am
Im sure the resultant reduction in weight of his wallet will reduce the discomfort on his hip!  |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 19 Mar 09 at 10:02am
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Right, some prelim stuff. With regards the "AK test" done by the dentist mentioned in paragraph 5- am I right in thinking it involved holding sealed phials containing the substances near the face? If so, this short article from the http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pagerender.fcgi?artid=2545956&pageindex=1#page - BMJ is all the comment required. More, later. This is fun! ------------- -_ Al |
Posted By: JohnW
Date Posted: 19 Mar 09 at 12:28pm
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From: http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/ak.html - http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/ak.h tml Research FindingsAlthough the claims of applied kinesiology are so far removed from scientific reality that testing them might seem a waste of time, competent researchers have subjected the muscle-testing procedures to several well-designed controlled tests and demonstrated what should be obvious to rational persons. Some have found no difference in muscle response from one substance to another, while others have found no difference between the results with test substances and with placebos. |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 19 Mar 09 at 1:08pm
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Mark, I think the discussion on news articles being seperate from the forum dosn't work ... there are 2 threads now on this issue ... is it possible to link the two systems otherwise you just end up with parallel discussions. ------------- |
Posted By: MerlinMags
Date Posted: 20 Mar 09 at 9:45am
| I think Steve has been seized by the enthusiasm of the convert, thats all. He's suddenly discovered something new, that seems to work for him, and of course he wants to share it. Many of us do the same in different ways when we discover something that makes an impact on our lives |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 20 Mar 09 at 10:56am
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May I recommend Ben Goldacre's excellent book 'Bad Science'. It dicusses the Placebo effect in great detail and examines plenty of alternative therapies and why they appear to work. It should be compulsory reading for all arts graduates dominating the national press! ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 20 Mar 09 at 10:59am
that's wonderful, but he should be careful what he puts into his adverts (and, as I think you've yourself explained, "news" from the likes of Rooster IS paid-for advertising, which keeps the site running) lest they be open to ASA challenges. he is, after all, a convert to something that the body of literature suggests is a placebo at best, sham at worst. I second the recommendation to read Bad Science. It is eye-opening. ------------- -_ Al |