Sailing photography advice (DSLR)
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Topic: Sailing photography advice (DSLR)
Posted By: Iain C
Subject: Sailing photography advice (DSLR)
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 9:57pm
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I know there are a few keen photographers on the forum now and I'm after some advice please!
I bought a DSLR earlier this year (Canon EOS 350D) with the kit 18-55 lens and a 75-300 lens and I've taken it out on the water with varying degrees of success so far. I tend to try and stay away from point and shoot mode as I am trying to learn how to use it properly, but I could do with some pointers!
What sort of settings should I be using ISO and aperture wise for a sunny day versus a darker day? Am I wasting my time with a longer lens or can I get away with it if I use a high ISO and put up with the "noise"? What sort of AF mode is the best?
Also, if I do need to splash out on a better lens that's good for marine photogrpahy, are there any recomendations that won't break the bank?
Thanks in advance, and if you want to see my mediocre pictures taken so far they're here...
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Posted By: AlexM
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 10:46pm
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doesn't look like you need any help to me 
nice photos
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Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 11:05pm
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Those are the OKish ones. Hit rate is rubbish, but thanks for the compliment!
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Posted By: AlexM
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 11:07pm
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look great to me, i would buy one!
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Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 21 Aug 08 at 11:44pm
I'd be interested to see any advice given, as I am in the same boat.
I recently bought myself a Canon EOS 400D, with the standard 18-55mm, and am re-using one of my slightly older Tamron 80-300mm lenses as well.
Point and shoot results are coming out OK, and some of the ones I fiddle with look good, but so far, havnt found any good repeatable settings.
Good topic Iain, Hopefully there will be some good advice from the Fotoboaters (Dont worry guys/gals, I won't be stealing your business ... Well .. One event I will be .... )
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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 12:07am
Concentrate on composition and look for an image that tells a story. Hit rate is always high. Midday light will be flat. For sports photography. A BIG lens is essential. And it will cost. If it doesn't you are likely to be unhappy with the results and it will limit the light conditions you can use it as it will more than likely be a slow lens.
As for pushing ISO numbers on a digital, it's all down to what are happy with, in terms of noise. Or what you are like processing RAW format images.
Something to think about is what setting you have the camera's exposer field set on. Play with the exposure field. Try a center weighted one and take readings and expose for your images focal point / area of interest / drama center. Bracket your shots.
Post production. Push the images a bit.
That's my few pennies worth.
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Posted By: bigwavedave
Date Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 6:58am
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Those pics are looking good. Remember that the AF setting affects the depth of field. Try setting to AF mode then the camera will sort out the shutter speed. Take a note of the results and settings. From there you can switch to full manual replicate the settings and adjust to suit. For example faster shutter speed but adjust AF for more light, or change ISO.
A lot of my pics are indoors in poor light, so I tend to shoot at 400. It was nice in Cornwall to get to outside and shoot at 100 for a change. Just wish I had remembered to change it back.
Don't worry about the hit rate, most pics are personal.
Plenty of info here but it does take a bit of sifting through http://digital-photography-school.com - http://digital-photography-school.com
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Posted By: mossman
Date Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 7:19am
Having had a quick look through your photos I have a couple of comments about composition you might want to consider: 1. You are tending to centre your subject (and horizon) a lot. The rule of thirds is generally regarded as being more pleasing to the eye. In other words rather than trying to get the subject (and horizon) right in the middle, try to put it 1/3 or 2/3 of the way across and/or up the photo 2. When photographing something that is moving (eg you action shots of boats), when framing the picture leave some room for the object to move into (otherwise it tends to look a bit as though it is caged)
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Posted By: dics
Date Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 9:03am
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I am more of a film camera than a digital camera so technqiues such as holding back the exposure of part of a picture while over exposing another part in the dark room are kind of obsolete. But other technqiues are not such as composition are skills that you can transfer. The best think to do is to get yourself on a course where you can learn about the operations of the camera, not just the intereface but what happens inside and deals with composition. Then get out and practice lots. Also good books are a must. I have usually found that the oldest books are the best. the ones you pick up form a second hand shop that were published 30 years ago are great. This is because they talk about the fundermental basics and once you have those you can build on them. Also look at proffessional books and ask yourself "Why do I like this shot? Where's the subject? What is the foreground doing?" and so on.
Traditionally one of the best tips is that you can never be close enough to you subject. Since this wil mean using a simple lens. Once you start using telescopic lens the picture quality does go down becasue the light is having to be refracted through more optics.
If you are taking portraits use a lens that is the same photo length as the human eye. This is will give a much better looking /human result when you look at it (it fools the brain as to thinking it is real face). The human eye comes in around 58mm. So in any keen photograper arsenal is a fixed focal length lens of 55mm.
Remember shots that are not personal are the easiest to do. eg landscapes, then action/sport shots are pretty easy becuase the human subject is busy and it just a matter of positoning yourself, but the hardest are natural human shots.
The more you practice the better. soon you will be looking at the light and you will be able to judge yourself the EV of the shot. Oh yes I have always used spot metering as all the other types will only produce a compromise picture and if you are taking action shots you can always crop off what you do not want, so you want to be very specific on your metering.
With film I would never use anything more than a 200ISO film as the results are too grainy (unless you want it for effect in which case infra red film is great). You can "push" an ISO 100 up to 400 and a 200 up to 800. so there is no need for any faster fims. You do this by underexposing the shots and thnen you can over expose in the dark room.
Controll your breathing. It is like shooting a rifle. take two breaths, hold your brettah for five seconds and the take the shot. That way you will be still you you take the shot.
Use the heavest tripod you can find. This will reduce the shake of the camera. Reducing the physical camera shake before taking the shot will be a million times better than the shake reduction systems many cameras now have.
Use the timer - even to take landscapes. This will stop you from moving the camera when pressing the shutter release.
Just a few tips but get yourself on a good course or join a camera club.
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Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 9:55am
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Thanks for the tips all. Jack, some of what you are talking about is a bit beyond me but thanks all the same! When you say "hit rate is always high" do you mean most of your shots are good? When I said my hit rate is low I mean most shots are fit only for deletion...or am I confusing my terminology here? I've heard good things about shooting in RAW but I've yet to fully understand it or try it.
Mossman, I'm aware of the rule of 1/3s, and believe it or not I thought I was doing it! But you are absolutely right, nearly every shot is centred! Thanks for highlighting that to me!
Something I have noticed is that if I quite like a shot but it looks a bit dull light wise, it can look very effective if I convert it to B&W...but perhaps this is cheating? Can I use the camera or GIMP to compensate?
I guess what I was really after with this thread are perhaps some basic dos and donts...especially if shooting from another boat rather than on the land. For example, if it's dull should I be on ISO400 or 800, is there a focal length that I really should not be going beyond or a minimum shutter speed to reduce shake, and if I'm on a moving yacht am I better off crouching down and trying to "lock" my body or am I better off standig up with an arm around the shroud and staying "fluid" if that makes sense. Do I even bother about trying to keep the horizon level or do I just concentrate on the rest of the composition and sort the horizon out later in GIMP?
Thanks again!
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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 11:32am
Sorry Iain, I meant that you will always burn a lot of film to get a good image.
I also meant to add a link for inspiration - http://www.magnumphotos.com - www.magnumphotos.com One of the worlds best photo agencies.
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Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 11:51am
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OK cool, I see what you mean.
You know, I do wonder how people managed in the days before digital photography...I mean software power compared to darkroom technique is one thing, however with every shot I take it captures all the exposure data so I can learn from it, and you usually see all the shots that day, as soon as you upload to your computer. I know that people used to write down thier settings, but sureley that's easier said than done...there must have been a lot of people who simply gave up on film SLRs as they never thought thay were getting anywhere and did not want to spend so much on developing poor pictures!
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Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 5:41pm
I haven't done much sailing photography but no1 is probably getting a decent rib driver.
Figuring out the minimum shutter speed you need for different lenses (or steps of zoom) to get a sharp picture from a bouncing rib in different conditions may help
Anti shake lenses will help
Avoid changing lenses, you do not want salt spray on your camera sensor!! One zoom that stays on the camera is probably the way to go most of the time.
Use protective filters on your lenses with salt spray about
Practice to be able to get horizons level. No easier way to ruin a good shot.
The closer the boat is the more you may need to stop down to avoid just having the tip of the kite pole in focus or something. Likewise if you want a boat in context with the fleet, stop down so that both are in focus.
Avoid shooting jpg if you can unless you absolutely need the card space. RAW will allow you to screw up the exposure a bit or shoot with high brightness ranges and recover detail later that would be lost in jpg.
Read about your cameras AF settings and try them out to find what works best
Look at pro sports photographs of the Olympic sailing and try to understand how they were shot and why they are good.
I'd say people learn quicker with film. I learned with a fully manual 35mm film slr and it's meant that i can use any camera I want immediately and know what to do to get the picture I want. These days so many people don't have a clue about the basic principles of photography, put the camera on program and shoot with abandon hoping to get something and never learn how to use it properly and so always get unpredictable results.
I've never found exposure data to be that useful.
Remember to factor in the crop factor of your sensor (if you have one) in your lens selection.
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 22 Aug 08 at 6:42pm
Originally posted by Iain C
You know, I do wonder how people managed in the days before digital photography... |
That's why there were very few pro Sailing photographers and their images tended to be pretty expensive... On the other hand the results tended to be pretty good. Loads more photos around these days, but probably not that many more really first rate ones...
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Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 26 Aug 08 at 10:00pm
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M_liddell looks like I need to learn about RAW then and give that a go. Jim, fair point!
Anyway, I took my camera down to the 12' Skiff event at Torbay at the weekend (not sailing as I broke my collarbone mountain biking...gutted!) and got some shots. Camera boat was a Fairline 42 so a bit big to get close to the action but the height of it made some interesting shots I think.
Sadly not much sunshine so they are a bit dull, but again I'd welcome your comments!
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 27 Aug 08 at 9:38am
Hi Iain,
A few basic things. Try and keep the ISO as low as possible, I tend to
shoot at 100 on a bright sunny day, 200 if it's a bit rough or 320 on a
grey day. I use aperture priority mode always keeping the aperture pretty
wide open, usually about f5.6 @400mm. I try to keep the shutter speeds
between 1/1250 and 1/2000 ish to keep action sharp. Image stabilisers
in longer lenses like my 400mm really do help on the water (although
many disagree). I always shoot RAW and process in photoshop, this gives
the flexibility to save as a jpeg or TIFF, and for any slight correction to
exposure.
I agree with m_liddell about film, I still use it for a few professional jobs
because for a few things it's still better than digital. I have an old
Olympus OM1, old Centon, and about 3 other Canon film cameras, and 3
digital SLR's. I quite often rent a medium format camera for Landscape
work, and shoot on Velvia 50ISO film. Hope some of that helps!
Tom
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Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 27 Aug 08 at 10:25am
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Good stuff Tom, thanks for that. I don't think I have ISO 320, I have 100, 200, then 400 then silly numbers.
I do tend to shoot aperture priority at wide settings, however I have struggled with depth of field a bit and have had better results at bigger f numbers. However as if I do get out on the water I'm usually on a committee boat or similar or shooting from the shore on max zoom, that might be my problem as I guess you pros are right in the thick of it in a RIB.
I can feel a new lens calling me!
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Posted By: dics
Date Posted: 27 Aug 08 at 12:20pm
Originally posted by Iain C
You know, I do wonder how people managed in the days before digital photography...I know that people used to write down thier settings, but sureley that's easier said than done...
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Just practice. After a year of shooting every day you'll know what to use before you meter the shot and you'll know when you look at the print too. Also, not using in auto modes will help loads. I mainly used apperture priotry but that is only to meter and then I change the shutter/apperture to suit what I want.
Bracketing is a very good way of getting the same shoot with different EV's but you will need at least 2/3 of a stop bewteen each exposure to get any signifcant difference.
Don't bother with a red eye reduction system. They never work. Instead under expose the flash unit by 1 stop. This will also give smooth tones to the subjct rather than blasting it with light.
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Posted By: dics
Date Posted: 27 Aug 08 at 12:37pm
Originally posted by Iain C
I do tend to shoot aperture priority at wide settings, however I have struggled with depth of field a bit and have had better results at bigger f numbers. I can feel a new lens calling me! |
The small f numbers will give you a narrower depth of field so will be harder if you are moving around in a rib. Also the more focal length with give you a narrower depth of field. That is a f8 on a 50mm lens with have a larger depth of feild than a f8 on a 200mm lense. However, most telescopic lens are automatic and compensate for this. This can be perceived as an advantage but it is becuase the lenses are not good enough to retain the difference unless you pay loads of dosh.
One thing to remeber is that when you focus on your subject, your subject is NEVER in the centre of the depth of feild. It is 1/3 of the way in to the depth of filed. That will mean more background will be in focus immediatly behind your subject than forground. This can be very usful when manually setting up the camera and getting desired effects.
Another tip when taking landscape is never to set your focus to infinity otherwise your shoot will never be sharp. This is becuase there is not one shot in the world that exists at that focussing. Even if you do a seascape and can see 20 miles out to sea, 20 miles is not the same as infinity miles. The tip here is to focuss to infinity and then just crack the focuss back by the width of a hair. You you'll be surprised the difference this makes to the whole shot. If you take a shot at an easily defined object 1 mile away and do this you'll see what I mean.
Your best bet is to jet yourself along to a camera club where there will be better people an me to point out good habits to have.
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Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 27 Aug 08 at 8:00pm
Originally posted by dics
TAlso the more focal length with give you a narrower depth of field. That is a f8 on a 50mm lens with have a larger depth of feild than a f8 on a 200mm lense. |
This is incorrect, it is camera to subject distance that has the effect over depth of field not what length lens you use.
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 27 Aug 08 at 8:25pm
Originally posted by m_liddell
Originally posted by dics
TAlso the more focal length with give you a narrower depth of field. That is a f8 on a 50mm lens with have a larger depth of feild than a f8 on a 200mm lense. |
This is incorrect, it is camera to subject distance that has the effect over depth of field not what length lens you use.
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No I'm sorry but dics is correct. Say a photo was taken of an of an object 5 meters away with a full frame camera. Using a 50mm lens set at f4 the depth of field would be 2.8m, but taken with a 400mm lens at f4, focused on the same point the depth of field would be 0.038m, significantly smaller. For this purpose 'depth of field' is to mean 'closest to furthest distance of acceptable sharpness'.
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Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 27 Aug 08 at 11:03pm
Originally posted by tgruitt
Originally posted by m_liddell
Originally posted by dics
TAlso the more focal length with give you a narrower depth of field. That is a f8 on a 50mm lens with have a larger depth of feild than a f8 on a 200mm lense. |
This is incorrect, it is camera to subject distance that has the effect over depth of field not what length lens you use.
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No I'm sorry but dics is correct. Say a photo was taken of an of an object 5 meters away with a full frame camera. Using a 50mm lens set at f4 the depth of field would be 2.8m, but taken with a 400mm lens at f4, focused on the same point the depth of field would be 0.038m, significantly smaller. For this purpose 'depth of field' is to mean 'closest to furthest distance of acceptable sharpness'.
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For the object to be the same size in the picture, the shot with the 400mm would need to be shot from approx 40m away not 5m. The depth of field would then be exactly the same.
You cannot think "oh no I don't have enough depth of field with my 400mm 40m away, I'll use my 50mm for this shot because that much more" because as soon as you move to frame the same composition (5m away) you will find you have exactly the same amount, as shown by the above example.
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 28 Aug 08 at 9:18am
Originally posted by m_liddell
Originally posted by tgruitt
Originally posted by m_liddell
Originally posted by dics
TAlso the more focal length with give you a narrower depth
of field. That is a f8 on a 50mm lens with have a larger depth of feild than
a f8 on a 200mm lense. | This is incorrect, it is camera to subject
distance that has the effect over depth of field not what length lens you
use. | No I'm sorry but dics is correct. Say a photo was taken of an
of an object 5 meters away with a full frame camera. Using a 50mm lens
set at f4 the depth of field would be 2.8m, but taken with a 400mm lens
at f4, focused on the same point the depth of field would be 0.038m,
significantly smaller. For this purpose 'depth of field' is to mean 'closest
to furthest distance of acceptable sharpness'. | For the object to
be the same size in the picture, the shot with the 400mm would need to
be shot from approx 40m away not 5m. The depth of field would then be
exactly the same.You cannot think "oh no I don't have enough depth of
field with my 400mm 40m away, I'll use my 50mm for this shot because
that much more" because as soon as you move to frame the same
composition (5m away) you will find you have exactly the same amount,
as shown by the above example. |
Ok, let me make this simple. If the subject is ALWAYS 5m away from the
camera, regardless of what it looks like in the viewfinder, the depth of
field will vary depending on focal length used. This is the point I'm trying
to make. Simple.
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Posted By: dics
Date Posted: 28 Aug 08 at 9:30am
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Originally posted by m_liddell
Originally posted by tgruitt
Originally posted by m_liddell
Originally posted by dics
TAlso the more focal length with give you a narrower depth of field. That is a f8 on a 50mm lens with have a larger depth of feild than a f8 on a 200mm lense. |
This is incorrect, it is camera to subject distance that has the effect over depth of field not what length lens you use.
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No I'm sorry but dics is correct. Say a photo was taken of an of an object 5 meters away with a full frame camera. Using a 50mm lens set at f4 the depth of field would be 2.8m, but taken with a 400mm lens at f4, focused on the same point the depth of field would be 0.038m, significantly smaller. For this purpose 'depth of field' is to mean 'closest to furthest distance of acceptable sharpness'.
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For the object to be the same size in the picture, the shot with the 400mm would need to be shot from approx 40m away not 5m. The depth of field would then be exactly the same.
You cannot think "oh no I don't have enough depth of field with my 400mm 40m away, I'll use my 50mm for this shot because that much more" because as soon as you move to frame the same composition (5m away) you will find you have exactly the same amount, as shown by the above example.
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I have never thought like that. Simply beacuse you must always get a close to your subject as possible. So I would not use a 400mm lens when I can get away with a 50mm. This is becuase there are more opics in a 400mm lens with means more light refraction which means poorer picture quality.
Sorry but this is what your telephoto lens does. It you want a really narrow depth of field, set the aperture to 3.5, zoom right in with a 400mm lens and that will give you a much norrower depth of field than 3.5 close up at 28mm. Your telephoto lens will automatcially change the aperture as you zomm in and out. So you set it at f3.5 and as you zoom in the f number will automatcally incrrease.
If you bought a good lens at around £5k like a fixed 400mm focal length lens then you would have the option to shoot at f4 and f4 is what it would be. Why do you think there is a difference in the price between amature lenses and top quality professional? It is because the opics are better and the lenses can be calibrated to give you this type of range. Also you would need to be blooming good to use it.
That is my understanding of it, but I like your point on the distance to the subject. I will look into this as it has never really occurred to me. This is what I really like about photography, you can get so set in your ways about it when someone mentions something so elementary it is like a big revelation!
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 28 Aug 08 at 9:34am
Originally posted by dics
Originally posted by m_liddell
Originally posted by tgruitt
Originally posted by m_liddell
Originally posted by dics
TAlso the more focal length with give you a narrower depth
of field. That is a f8 on a 50mm lens with have a larger depth of feild than
a f8 on a 200mm lense. | This is incorrect, it is camera to subject
distance that has the effect over depth of field not what length lens you
use. | No I'm sorry but dics is correct. Say a photo was taken of an
of an object 5 meters away with a full frame camera. Using a 50mm lens
set at f4 the depth of field would be 2.8m, but taken with a 400mm lens
at f4, focused on the same point the depth of field would be 0.038m,
significantly smaller. For this purpose 'depth of field' is to mean 'closest
to furthest distance of acceptable sharpness'. | For the object to
be the same size in the picture, the shot with the 400mm would need to
be shot from approx 40m away not 5m. The depth of field would then be
exactly the same.You cannot think "oh no I don't have enough depth of
field with my 400mm 40m away, I'll use my 50mm for this shot because
that much more" because as soon as you move to frame the same
composition (5m away) you will find you have exactly the same amount,
as shown by the above example. |
I have never thought like that. Simply beacuse you must always get a
close to your subject as possible. So I would not use a 400mm lens when
I can get away with a 50mm. This is becuase there are more opics in a
400mm lens with means more light refraction which means poorer
picture quality.
Sorry but this is what your telephoto lens does. It you want a really
narrow depth of field, set the aperture to 3.5, zoom right in with a
400mm lens and that will give you a much norrower depth of field than
3.5 close up at 28mm. Your telephoto lens will automatcially change the
aperture as you zomm in and out. So you set it at f3.5 and as you zoom
in the f number will automatcally incrrease.
If you bought a good lens at around £5k like a fixed 400mm focal
length lens then you would have the option to shoot at f4 and f4 is what
it would be. Why do you think there is a difference in the price between
amature lenses and top quality professional? It is because the opics are
better and the lenses can be calibrated to give you this type of range.
Also you would need to be blooming good to use it.
That is my understanding of it, but I like your point on the distance to
the subject. I will look into this as it has never really occurred to me. This
is what I really like about photography, you can get so set in your ways
about it when someone mentions something so elementary it is like a big
revelation!
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Well I'm glad it has provoked some thought. I only use Canon L Series
Professional lenses, soon to be adding a 300mm f2.8 IS L to the collection
soon I hope....
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Posted By: dics
Date Posted: 28 Aug 08 at 9:36am
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Originally posted by tgruitt
Originally posted by m_liddell
Originally posted by tgruitt
Originally posted by m_liddell
Originally posted by dics
TAlso the more focal length with give you a narrower depth of field. That is a f8 on a 50mm lens with have a larger depth of feild than a f8 on a 200mm lense. | This is incorrect, it is camera to subject distance that has the effect over depth of field not what length lens you use. | No I'm sorry but dics is correct. Say a photo was taken of an of an object 5 meters away with a full frame camera. Using a 50mm lens set at f4 the depth of field would be 2.8m, but taken with a 400mm lens at f4, focused on the same point the depth of field would be 0.038m, significantly smaller. For this purpose 'depth of field' is to mean 'closest to furthest distance of acceptable sharpness'. | For the object to be the same size in the picture, the shot with the 400mm would need to be shot from approx 40m away not 5m. The depth of field would then be exactly the same.You cannot think "oh no I don't have enough depth of field with my 400mm 40m away, I'll use my 50mm for this shot because that much more" because as soon as you move to frame the same composition (5m away) you will find you have exactly the same amount, as shown by the above example. |
Ok, let me make this simple. If the subject is ALWAYS 5m away from the camera, regardless of what it looks like in the viewfinder, the depth of field will vary depending on focal length used. This is the point I'm trying to make. Simple. |
Yep agreed.
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Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 28 Aug 08 at 12:22pm
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Originally posted by dics
I have never thought like that. Simply beacuse you must always get a close to your subject as possible. So I would not use a 400mm lens when I can get away with a 50mm. This is becuase there are more opics in a 400mm lens with means more light refraction which means poorer picture quality |
You don't always have to get as close to your subject as possible, it depends on the perspective that you want. For a given compostion, a telephoto lens shot from futher away flattens perspective (makes near/far objects look closer together) while a wide lens shot much closer will accentuate the distance between them.
This is why the favourite pictures thread often has "omg that is close!" comments on yacht racing photographs because the long lens has made the boats appear closer together (flattened perspective) than they really were. This argument was used in an Americas Cup protest hearing in the 80s over a photograph used as evidence.
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Posted By: dics
Date Posted: 28 Aug 08 at 12:52pm
Originally posted by m_liddell
Originally posted by dics
I have never thought like that. Simply beacuse you must always get a close to your subject as possible. So I would not use a 400mm lens when I can get away with a 50mm. This is becuase there are more opics in a 400mm lens with means more light refraction which means poorer picture quality |
You don't always have to get as close to your subject as possible, it depends on the perspective that you want. For a given compostion, a telephoto lens shot from futher away flattens perspective (makes near/far objects look closer together) while a wide lens shot much closer will accentuate the distance between them.
This is why the favourite pictures thread often has "omg that is close!" comments on yacht racing photographs because the long lens has made the boats appear closer together (flattened perspective) than they really were. This argument was used in an Americas Cup protest hearing in the 80s over a photograph used as evidence.
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Thanks for the tip. I don't shoot this kind of stuff usually but well worth knowing when I do. Amazing how my interest in sailing has made me a better photgrapher.
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Posted By: laser4000
Date Posted: 28 Aug 08 at 2:45pm
ok so now you've sorted out depth of field.
How do you keep your kit dry??
I was shooting some shots with a compact a few weeks ago (not ideal but all I had), and it got a bit drenched) and hey presto it's cream crackered...not so much of an issue for a 150 snapper, but I'd be gutted if I'd spend 500 on an slr and got that soaked too...
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 28 Aug 08 at 3:23pm
Originally posted by laser4000
ok so now you've sorted out depth of field.How do you
keep your kit dry??I was shooting some shots with a compact a few weeks
ago (not ideal but all I had), and it got a bit drenched) and hey presto it's
cream crackered...not so much of an issue for a 150 snapper, but I'd be
gutted if I'd spend 500 on an slr and got that soaked too...
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Well I made a Gore-Tex rain coat for it, just like the ones you can buy in the
shops. If I don't use that then plenty of insulating tape over all the cracks
and joins, and if you have the pro lenses they are pretty waterproof anyway,
so are the pro bodies, but I don't have 5k to spare for one of those!
A towel also comes in useful, for me and the camera
------------- Needs to sail more...
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Posted By: phillip.padd
Date Posted: 29 Aug 08 at 11:11am
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reguarding shooting Raw files. I am a professional photographer and would only ever shoot Raw files. In post production it gives you 2 f stops either way to play with without losing quality ie if the shot is overexposed you can still retain the highlight without it burning out and the same with the shadow detail being too solid but it does mean big file sizes so you need a large memory card.If you must shot in j-peg format once you have manipulated your image save as a tiff file not a j-peg as if you do you compress the image again losing even more quality.
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