Booth using a Code Zero
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Category: Multihulls
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Topic: Booth using a Code Zero
Posted By: Strawberry
Subject: Booth using a Code Zero
Date Posted: 23 Jul 08 at 11:20am
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So Jay Glaser has designed a Code Zero asymmetric for Mitch Booth! http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=142537 - http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=142537 I wonder how it's going to work downhill though? I think they'll make bis losses downwind to the other Tornado's because they won't generate enough apparent to get the wind forward enough for the sail to drive. But will their losses downwind be less than their gains upwind? I guess we'll see. This is going to be really interesting! I wonder if this will catch on and maybe spread into other classes. [edit] Someone thought of this 3yrs ago! http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=866&KW=strawberry&TPN=1 - http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8 66&KW=strawberry&TPN=1 ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 23 Jul 08 at 11:41am
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Great idea; I guess now the cat is out the bag they will be testing to see ... Are they limited to one set of sails for the regatta? if so I doubt they will actually use it ... ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 23 Jul 08 at 12:20pm
There is of course nothing new, and upwind capable kites used to be found in various antipodean classes, Cherubs for example, back in the 60s.
You will note I say *used* to be found. You lost out downwind horrendously. I reckon its a head game. I should be astonished if the gold medal winner used one... |
Posted By: MerlinMags
Date Posted: 23 Jul 08 at 12:22pm
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If they have worked so hard to keep this sail a secret (as the press release says they have) they why have they told the world now (with a press release!) when they could have revealed it at the last minute?!
It's got to be a mind game of sorts... |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 23 Jul 08 at 12:46pm
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Could well be but it's hard to keep these things secret so perhaps they figured they'd make a release as it was spotted already ... ------------- |
Posted By: Graeme
Date Posted: 23 Jul 08 at 1:14pm
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What haven't the cherubs invented/used ? |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 23 Jul 08 at 1:25pm
Modesty? |
Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 23 Jul 08 at 1:28pm
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... they seem to claim everything ...Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: 23 Jul 08 at 1:35pm
Who is old enough to remember Rodney Pattison have an electronic wind angle instrument on his FD prior to the Keil Olympics? Caused a major storm in a D Cup, but came to nowt as he didn't use it during the games but the fuss it stirred up 'might' have caused some stress amongst his competition |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 23 Jul 08 at 1:38pm
I guess that's what you get for sailing a development class. ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 23 Jul 08 at 1:42pm
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Now I didn't claim the Cherubs invented it, all I said was antipodean and *used* on Cherubs.
The vast majority of serious innovation through the 60s to 80s was happening in Australasia, so its inevitable that the Cherubs would have seen and used things long before other classes in the UK (apart from the Moths, which is quite another thread of development). You only have to compare the names on the Cherub Worlds trophy through that period with those on the I14 trophy to realise which class was involved in the leading edge... I don't sail Cherubs any more (apart from an annual outing in a vintage one), and I'm not known to be a particular fan of recent developments in the class, so hopefully I now have a degree of perspective, but it was funny, when I researched Cherub history was staggered by just how key the Cherub was to the development of dinghy sailing right through that period. I was expecting it to be somewhat tangential, but in fact it seems to have been one of the key classes, right up there with the 18s. Of course the UK fleet tended to reflect this rather than lead, but if you're 2 years behind the guys who are 10 years ahead of the rest of the world you're still 8 years ahead of everyone else around you... A lot of it comes down to the class founder and designer of the original Cherub, John Spencer, who has an excellent claim to have been the most influential designer in sailing in the second half of the twentieth century. Criminally under recognised in my opinion. I really ought to write a piece on him for the print mag now I think about it... |
Posted By: MerlinMags
Date Posted: 23 Jul 08 at 2:08pm
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Going back to the subject of a special light-wind sail for Qingdao......the latest press release I've had in might cause people to change their plans somewhat...
The photos show a Finn at full pelt - some wind there at last?! http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=142544 - http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=142544 |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 23 Jul 08 at 2:20pm
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[QUOTE=MerlinMags]Going back to the subject of a special light-wind sail for Qingdao......the latest press release I've had in might cause people to change their plans somewhat...
!! Code Brown:
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Posted By: Graeme
Date Posted: 23 Jul 08 at 2:48pm
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Jim C ..........I was pulling yer leg, the cherub sailors need to loosen up a bit. I'm with you on John Spencer - very underrated especially in the northern hemisphere. |
Posted By: ASok
Date Posted: 24 Jul 08 at 5:31pm
Is this sailing event going to turn into a farse? Probably been asked several times before, when they announced the venue! I see the green stuff is getting washed back in ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 24 Jul 08 at 5:38pm
Unlikely. There have been two test events, and top sailors have won them... People talking about it being a lottery seem to have an agenda... |
Posted By: Catsrule
Date Posted: 24 Jul 08 at 7:15pm
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Would be good if it was windy, the tornados would be able to show thier full potential to thoes old cogers at isaf! ------------- There's no such thing as bad day on the water!! |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 24 Jul 08 at 7:53pm
I think the old codgers at ISAF are well aware of what the Tornado can do. They did after all, force the Tornado Class Association into accepting two strings and kites after the CA voted down the upgrade... |
Posted By: redhotchilicat
Date Posted: 24 Jul 08 at 8:10pm
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so much for the olympic ideal ! I realise that Mitch wants a third and final olympic tornado medal but come on this is sailing a bit close to the wind I would want to win it on a level playing field, (if I could sail mine that well) great stuff with the development even if a bit cheeky. ------------- go on you know it makes sense |
Posted By: laser4000
Date Posted: 20 Aug 08 at 8:24am
| that didn't exactly work for http://www.sailing.org/olympics/resultscentre.php?raceid=22 - USA then - DFL... |