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Help a yank choose a dinghy - RS Feva?

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Topic: Help a yank choose a dinghy - RS Feva?
Posted By: Zebra
Subject: Help a yank choose a dinghy - RS Feva?
Date Posted: 09 Jun 08 at 3:34pm

Greetings,

I'm an adult, novice sailor who has grown tired of sailing in other people's boats and I want to take the leap to getting a dinghy of my own.  The problem is finding one that will meet all my needs/desires.  I'm looking to get some ideas from you fine folks.  Here is what I'm looking for:

Good performance in 5-10kt winds (most common on the lakes where I am), but can still have fun in other ranges;

a full set of sails (main, jib, spi/gen) so that as I get better, I can add complexity and performance;

a boat that can be sailed/club raced single-handed, using all sails if possible (I'll be on my own until my daughter gets a little older and I can convince her to crew);

hiking is OK, but no trapeze;

something that's not going to break the bank; and

Lower maintenance = better.

I've been trying to find something that gives me all this, and I think the closest I've found is the RS Feva.  I know it was designed for double handed juniors, but I've seen reports of adult single handers racing them well and I weigh about as much as a couple of juniors (100kg or so -- working on that).  Am I off-base with this?  Might there be better options?

Thanks for any help you can offer!

--Z

 




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Posted By: craiggo
Date Posted: 09 Jun 08 at 4:04pm
Standard Vago in singlehanded mode doesnt use the trapeze, but having witnessed the one at our club go over a few weeks ago, its not easy to get back upright with just one adult.

If you have a reasonable expanse of water a Dart 15 (Sprint) would be a good choice. With mainsail alone you hike out, put the jib on and a longer tiller extension you can singlehand it on the trapeze, or add your daughter and both hike out.


Posted By: mu-6443
Date Posted: 09 Jun 08 at 4:18pm
The Topper Topaz would be good, as the different rig options allow you to sail with just main or all 3 including asymmetric! Check http://toppersailboats.com/topaz.aspx">clicky


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Posted By: Jamie600
Date Posted: 09 Jun 08 at 4:23pm

 

How about a Vareo? Primarily a hiking singlehander with a kite but you should be able to squeeze someone in the front occasionally



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Posted By: vscott
Date Posted: 09 Jun 08 at 5:08pm
I've been out with several juniors in a Feva and in lighter winds there is very little space for an adult of 60kg! Just plain uncomfortable on the knees for us both.

It got more fun when we were both sitting out but I was surprised that the teenager found it quite hard to get back in after a capsize.

I think they have a limited range of wind to be fun in - not very light and hard to de-power in very strong.

I too would go for a more traditional boat, or maybe a topaz.
I would also recommend starting on a second hand boat. It is incredibly rare that people stick with the first boat they get, usually it is a question of trial and error in the first couple of years.

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Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 09 Jun 08 at 6:39pm
I have sailed the Feva and enjoyed it. I did have the kite up and managed to get it going with 2 adults on board.

One question, are you in the UK or USA?

As long as you dont want to race competitivly but want a jolly sail, then the RS is fun to play on.  


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Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 09 Jun 08 at 7:04pm

i would not get a feva. i sailed one with my crew in a f5 and we were nicely powered up (68 and 65kg). however i think in a f3we wouldnt even be sat on the side. another thing we found is that with a lot of weight moving around in the boat they were quite tippy when compared to the longer 29er. the grip on the hull is apalling aswell. in the first gybe we did both of us slipped over.

i cant comment on any other suggestions other than the laser vago as thats all i have sailed. it seemed relatively simple and being plastic will be durable. with the dacron sails you should be ok singlehanded and i your daughter wants to join in you can add the laminate main, kite and trapeze to keep her entertained.



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Posted By: drifter
Date Posted: 09 Jun 08 at 7:20pm

Try a Graduate or Firefly. Easy to sail with your daughter or on your own, and no spinny means youll learn boat handling and tactics, not swimming. A good grad might cost you two or three hundred, and easy to sell again. These classes are much underrpresented on these forums but do offer good performance in the conditions you describe.

I often lap Wayfarers, Solos, etc in my £500 Grad-even better now with the big mainsail.



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Posted By: Zebra
Date Posted: 09 Jun 08 at 7:22pm

Originally posted by radixon


One question, are you in the UK or USA? 

USA, which makes getting a look at a Feva (or a Topper for that matter) a bit of a challenge.  Finding anyone who has sailed in one is even more difficult, which is why I came here.  I hope you all don't mind. 

Originally posted by radixon


As long as you dont want to race competitivly but want a jolly sail, then the RS is fun to play on.  

Is there any other way to race?  If by racing competitively you mean racing on a circuit and traveling the country/world to regattas, I am most definitely not looking to do that.  Any racing would be limited to good-natured Saturday morning races with the local club in mixed fleets where Lasers and Sunfish make up 90% of the boats.   The "easy" thing to do would be to go with a Laser or Sunfish like everyone else -- and don't get me wrong, they are great boats -- but I want something that has more sails to play with. 

Based on the marketing here in the US (and some of the reviews), which has the Feva as perfect for 2 juniors, 1 adult or adult + child, I'm a bit suprised at the comments here thus far -- but that's why I posted my question instead of just buying after I got the brochure, isn't it?

Thanks for all the comments thus far, and keep 'em coming!

--Z

 



Posted By: Late starter
Date Posted: 09 Jun 08 at 8:24pm
Zebra, we were given a couple of Feva's at my club at very low cost for our training fleet a while back and I have to say no one but no one has a good word to say about them. They might be acceptable as an entry level boat for some one coming into the sport as a newbie, but personally I'd rather sail one of the longer established GRP classes. I'm also 100kg, and sometimes sail with my 11 year old daughter. This is way too heavy I think to race a Feva even at club level.

Personally, I bought two boats to meet my requirements rather than sailing a compromise, a Laser with an 8.1 rig to sail singlehanded, and the most popular 2 person boat sailed at my club. This route probably wouldn't cost any more than buying a Feva if you pick up 2nd hand boats, which is pretty easy where I live as I've got perhaps 10 sailing clubs in a 25 mile radius, understand this may be more of an issue within the US due to the distances involved.


Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 09 Jun 08 at 8:43pm
Zebra, probably the youth vision that accompanies a feva for us over heare is because it's one of the RYA youth classes - I think it's probably similar to the 29rer, as in people don't tend to sail them unless they're youth.  I'm surprised it's advertised as for adults though, ther doesn't seem to be a lot of room.  Unlike in a Mirror, which has a much deeper cockpit, 2 sails, ideal for s/h, sailing with kids etc, and there's a bit of a class association being started up in the US: http://usmirrorsailing.com/default.aspx - USMCA
However if you're likely to be sailing against lasers/sunfish then it's probably not the best option, and a laser/toppery family/everything sorta thing might be what you want.  Firefly obviously to look at, no spinaker though.


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Posted By: gerunamo=]
Date Posted: 10 Jun 08 at 7:44pm

i am 60 kg and i find the feva a bit mailto:cr@ppy - cr@ppy

 



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Posted By: s.a.l.t.y
Date Posted: 10 Jun 08 at 8:39pm
that stealth thing just looks like a hiking musto with no racks. it doesnt look
half bad actually.

would an RS200 be any good? im sure they can be easily sailed by 1 adult
without the jib and then with the jib when your daughter crews.

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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 11 Jun 08 at 9:32am
Actually I think the Feva is a pretty sweet little boat. Its got nice hull shape and seems nicely setup. The interior layout is almost exactly the same as my definitive Cherub interior layout I evolved over years so I might be biased though. But they are small boats and they aren't great weight carriers - not designed to be. Two early to mid teens or a moderate sized parent and sub teen child seems to be about the limit - I'm guessing here, but my feeling is that a good crew weight would be in the 220lb region. If that's not your usagee you do need to look elsewhere, but if you will hit that weight you could do a lot worse.


Posted By: NJN
Date Posted: 07 Jun 16 at 10:44am
Hi Zebra

I'm 70kg and I love sailing the Feva - both single-handed and with a young crew. I've put a loop of 60cm x 4mm elastic round the rear footstrap attachment. This lets me tether the rudder in the centre so that I can use both hands for kite hoist/drop. [It's also great for sailing without the tiller to get a feel for how to steer the boat by heeling.]

Disclosure: I coach sailing at a school with 8 x Fevas and I'm involved with the class association.

At the UK National Champs this summer there were several parent/child entries. That is positively encouraged as one of the many great things about the boat. The downside is that in a couple of years your daughter might push you out so as to sail with her friends!

Nick


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 07 Jun 16 at 10:52am
The daughter is a already 8 years older...

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Posted By: iiiiticki
Date Posted: 07 Jun 16 at 11:50am
Well spotted Rupert. Probably on th 29er squad by now!


Posted By: Zebra
Date Posted: 07 Jun 16 at 8:12pm
Wow, eight years on and I get more responses to this posting. Again, wow.

Well, how about an update then? I ended up buying a used RS Feva in excellent condition that I found hundreds of miles away. Bought it off a former Russian airman living in South Carolina who was upgrading.

Since then I've enjoyed taking the Feva out on local lakes (never as often as I like) and it has proven to be EXACTLY what I was looking for. I was able to fly all three sails regularly singlehanded shortly after the first sail, and have enjoyed messing about on it since.

Oh, and the daughter is certainly old enough to help now, and willing to do so, but is far more interested in playing ice hockey (yes, even in the summer).

Cheers!
--Z


Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 07 Jun 16 at 8:34pm
Great that you are enjoying it!

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Posted By: calum
Date Posted: 08 Jun 16 at 3:51pm
I sail in Canada and have found the selection of boats a little disappointing, hence why I brought my phantom over from the UK when I moved. At my club there lots of CL14 and CL16 sailed single handed , cl14 is manageable but has no spinnaker or trapeze, CL16 is bigger with spinnaker and trapeze (although no one uses them)other than that it is lasers, sunfish, Y Flyers and the catamaran. All the RS boats are available (at a cost)but very few and far between on the secondhand market at a reasonable cost. You might pick up a Vago or Bahia but rare round where I live. Couple of newer designs from CL and Melges (stealth and melges 14) but again you will pay more,

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