TASA EVENT QMSC
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Topic: TASA EVENT QMSC
Posted By: 800-1077
Subject: TASA EVENT QMSC
Date Posted: 15 May 08 at 5:19pm
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TASA is finally properly on it's feet again, after recent issues!! Our next event is Queen Mary SC, on the 28/29th June, open to all SINGLE TRAPEZE, DOUBLE HANDED ASYMMETRICS.... Including, but not limited to: Laser 4000 Laser/V3000 RS500 29er Laser Vago Buzz ISO Hobie 405.
Entry £35 per boat for the entire weekend! Entry Info should be online soon at http://www.tasa.org.uk - www.tasa.org.uk Any questions, email mailto:alex.ford@ldcracingsailboats.co.uk - alex.ford@ldcracingsailboats.co.uk .
Hope to see people there, and apologies for recent lack of contact! |
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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 15 May 08 at 9:15pm
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I have to be honest i was more then a little peeved off last time Alex we had the boat packed ready to go, and you didnt let anyone know it was cancelled!! is only through fellow forumties on here that i found out! there wasnt even a message on the TASA website. ------------- |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 15 May 08 at 10:10pm
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Just had a quick glance at the website... If entry is only open to single trapeze assymetric boats why is there a tasa branded I14 on the home page? In fact, looking down your 'Classes' list half the boats listed are twin wire boats, and the rest seems be a mix of singlehanders, singlehanders with kites, doublehanded single trapeze boats and a doublehanded hiker! What kind of target group are you trying to attract exactly? can anyone come? ------------- |
Posted By: sten
Date Posted: 16 May 08 at 7:48am
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Alex are Mustoskiffs allowed? the event is on the mustoskiff fixture list http://www.mustoskiff.com/downloads/2008/2008-fixtures-MPS-c urrent.xls - http://www.mustoskiff.com/downloads/2008/2008-fixtures-MPS-c urrent.xls Single trapeze ,2 hands, assy |
Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 16 May 08 at 8:23am
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There's also a picture of a 12 foot skiff on the homepage but it's not listed on the classes page...what's the situation with 12s? ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 16 May 08 at 8:57am
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The desicion to cancel the King George event was taken by the club due to the apparent lack of interest, and a lack of communications from TASA. With only a few days to go, there were four boats pre-registered for the event- which included the Commodore and Rear Commodore. The club did not feel it was worth gambling on going ahead with the event, and called off the rescue, race officer and catering teams.
I hope that TASA does manage to get itself back on its feet, but it has some work to do in restoring good-will. |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 16 May 08 at 9:27am
I think Richard has just spotted a gap in his trophy room and decided he wants it filled with a TASA trophy. ------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 16 May 08 at 9:30am
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I've just joined this lot, it looks interesting, the sort of thing we should
have a bash at, if I can persuade Jumanji that we wont fall off the edge of the planet if we leave Kent. I could see it being competitive if it was a bit breezy, but in any other condition I can't see anyone in a 4000 or an ISO getting remotely excited by a 500. So what is TASA all about then? Do they set courses that specifically favour Assyms? Isn't it half the fun taking on Syms and alternatively thrashing or being thrashed by them due to circumstances not entirely within your control? Do they run the event and calculate awards on corrected time as well as placing over the water, or both? We might even have our new boat by then, but that presumably wouldn't be fair on the others.. |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 16 May 08 at 9:31pm
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GRF I did the first Tasa event at ------------- |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 16 May 08 at 9:50pm
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TASA is now associated with LDC? Certainly looking like it ... especially with the official looking email address!! ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 16 May 08 at 10:32pm
I don't think so. Alex works for LDC and appears to be using his work email. ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18 May 08 at 12:02am
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So is this an embryonic organisation struggling to get off the ground or
something that's been around a while and is fading? It sounds a bit like what we'd call an open class obviously with the restriction of having Assym rigs. So would that in theory bring 49ers and other Skiffy things out into Open water in more than a force 3 for a potential thrashing? 
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 18 May 08 at 12:16am
| It's an embryonic organisation that's been struggling to get off the ground for a while. |
Posted By: Adam@LDC
Date Posted: 19 May 08 at 10:07am
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Just to confirm TASA has nothing to with LDC/RS. TASA is run by Alex Ford who works in the retail department and runs TASA in his spare time. ------------- Retail Manager, LDC Racing Sailboats |
Posted By: 800-1077
Date Posted: 20 May 08 at 9:06am
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Hi all,
Yes, Indeed, TASA is only a spare time thing, I am only using my LDC address, as the hotmail one was playing up.
I have to apologise for the lack of letting anyone know about the previous event, it was in no small part down to being left a little bit in the lurch by Emma's resignation.
With regards the classes - TASA supports all Trapeze asymmetric classes, but I felt that it would be interesting to run an event purely fore double handed, single wire boats. I am more than happy to open this event up to all TASA classes, if that is what the majority of members would like.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 20 May 08 at 9:57am
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What I'd like, is a chance to take on those muppets in the 49ers with a bit
of a decent sea running, see if any of them could make the start line. Then I'd like to be navigating a three sail reach in waves & surf watching the MPS jockeys emulating Beechers at the Grand National pitch poleing to the left and right of us. Then later as I came ashore after a successful days racing in my nice new Alto picking my way through the flotsam and jetsom of broken Cherub bits that never quite left the beach on my way to the bar (sponsored by a beer company with a happy hour) to listen to their bollox. A few beers, a band, bit of a knees up afterwards... Aah that's the recipe. A Perfect event. Hold it somewhere decent not some over sized gravel pit in the flight path of Heathrow. Somewhere we can take the breadknives for a pleasant weekend and they wont be bored out of their box whilst we're racing, somewhere those 49er muppets will see ripples bigger than two foot chop... But don't make it too scarey, you dont want to frighten off the pink ladies in their MPS's.. dont worry about the Cherubim for they have no brains to know fear with.. |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 20 May 08 at 10:26am
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deleted by me ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 20 May 08 at 10:32am
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The K16 dvd has just popped through my letter box and straight onto the dvd player....it starts with Sten sailing upwind out on the wire, perfectly trimmed, doing a few tacks, then putting the kite up for a spot of downwind out on the wire....all with no rudder. Presumably he got all he knows from you GRF?
------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 20 May 08 at 10:34am
tt - I find your post very offensive in the way it describes placating the other half - everyone knows the welsh can't do a decent cream tea! <- a west country woman! ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 20 May 08 at 11:29am
Eh? Is he a windsurfer then? I know nothing, other than how to race, with an inbuilt belief all men are born equal so dont have quite the "respect" for "names" in the way others might be psyched out by them. I like to take them on, it's the only way to learn, and they're only kids anyway, most born long after I knew about as much as there was to know about racing tactics. But boat handling techniques? Much to still learn there and where better than alongside em in a breeze? |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 20 May 08 at 11:51am
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old dog new tricks then.... not that I'm saying you're an old dog GRF, oh no..... ------------- the same, but different... |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 20 May 08 at 12:05pm
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Well let's just say some old dogs refuse to accept they are and keep trying to
learn new tricks.. But will never do that one that goes Lay down and roll over.
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Posted By: yellowhammer
Date Posted: 20 May 08 at 2:01pm
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You can blame me for the two man, single trapeze, assy format ... the event was conceived in Autumn 07, the idea being to have one event where we can get the less exotic asymmetric classes more involved in TASA. Details are finalised with Queen Mary SC, and June is just finishing off the Notice of Race: Saturday 28 June: Briefing 12.30, start 13.30, 2 races back to back Sunday 29 June: Start 11.00, 3 races back to back Races will be around 1 hour duration, on a windward leeward course (possibly a trapezoid or gate if numbers mean we have to avoid crossing upwind/ downwind boats at the windward mark) No discards if 1-3 races run, one discard for 4/5 races Results will be extracted from the Sunday racing for a one-day 3000 class open Entry £30 for the TASA event over both days, or £20 for any 3000s only racing on the Sunday Glassware will be awarded, plus a spot prize sponsored by the 3000s and Noble Marine Insurance (sail numbers in a hat) With uncertain numbers, there won't be entertainment laid on this time, just a meal at a local pub. There is camping nearby (see the QM website http://www.queenmary.org.uk/ - http://www.queenmary.org.uk/ ) Contact the office at Queen Mary SC, mailto:sailondon@queenmary.org.uk - sailondon@queenmary.org.uk , 01784 248881, for a copy of the Notice of Race or to enter. The NOR should also be on QM's website. Advance entry recommended. Please pass on details to anyone in your club/class who might be interested, to help promote the event! I think the TASA organisers have been doing a great job, considering ... anyone prepared to help out with arrangements for other events? ------------- Laser 3000 @ Leigh & Lowton SC www.3000class.org.uk |
Posted By: dontdocalm!
Date Posted: 21 May 08 at 5:33pm
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Are we talking about the same event? This is the info in the email to TASA members:- TASA QMSC Event is looming! Personally, I think it's a shame it is restricted to single trapeze. As a single trap assy 2-handed boat sailing mostly on a gravel pit, it's good to have the occasional opportunity to sail with the likes of I14s etc. We'll be there - so long as the winds there too.
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Posted By: yellowhammer
Date Posted: 21 May 08 at 7:13pm
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Sounds uncannily like the same event to me Event details were a bit fluid until finalised with the club ... the info in the last yellowhammer post was agreed with Axel F and Queen Mary (the Notice of Race should be on the Queen Mary website by the weekend) I agree we could maybe have opened it up to all TASA classes, but we'll stick with the original intent of encouraging the 'lower classes' this time (and maybe learn lessons for next time ... plenty of opportunity to air views on how future events could be organised when we're there) The 'trimmings' are cut back due to limited organising effort being available, but then so is the entry fee Should be worth the trip, whatever ------------- Laser 3000 @ Leigh & Lowton SC www.3000class.org.uk |
Posted By: Neal_g
Date Posted: 21 May 08 at 7:42pm
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£35 quid kinda pricy for a 2 day event if you ask me after factoring in transport costs accommodation etc for that kinda price i;d be hoping for an evening meal thrown in and maybes a free beer or 2 ------------- (Redoubt Sc) Miracle 4040 GP14 13407 Crewsaver phase 2 range now available to buy online on at http://www.gibsonsails.com |
Posted By: Webmuppet
Date Posted: 21 May 08 at 8:19pm
I don't know if that's pricey or not as I rarely travel to events, however, I've just had the RS Vareo Nationals info drop through my letterbox and that's £75 for three days if you book before the 10th July, or £95 thereafter. I've no idea if that's a good deal or not.........I know that I can't afford it and won't be attending  Nigel ------------- I am the milkman of human kindness, I will leave an extra pint (Billy Bragg) Graduate 2530 'Galaxy' |
Posted By: dontdocalm!
Date Posted: 21 May 08 at 8:51pm
| I'm a bit puzzled by the thought that there may be a need to encourage something called 'the lower classes'. How much encouragement do you need when the original ethos of TASA was 'everyone welcome' within the confines of TRAPEZE ASSYMETRIC ASSOCIATION'? There was no shortage of single trap assy boats at Weston or Datchet last year. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 21 May 08 at 9:03pm
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That is so typical moron skiffyhead with no idea but bang corners and
upturn in full view of Weymouth S.C. Lower Classes - f**kwits. Just the way to encourage folk. Never mind sailors probably twice as good, with ten times the experience. |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 22 May 08 at 6:44am
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The whole TASA thing has a major identity issue, some classes can turn up here and not there!!! what?? The whole TASA idea is fairly new they have only ever had like 2 events, another was cancelled and no one was told, This could be a great thing, but at the moment it seems to lack clarity. I wish Tasa all the luck in the world but i wont be attending another event until i'm sure its going to happen or sure my boat is not out of class!! ------------- |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 22 May 08 at 11:02am
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The original intention of TASA was to race like with like. This is just a logical extension of that. Sure, a 3000 has more in common with a twin wire asymmetric than it does a Wayfarer in so far as concerns in which wind strengths the classes go fast and slow relative to their handicap. But there's no way you can race a 3000 on the water against an 800 (not normally, anyway!), whereas it's actually good fun taking on the Buzzes and 500's (and even 4000's). Others have suggested level racing within a narrow PY band (I've seen a suggestion for Larks, Scorpions, 200's and 2000's to level-race). This latest TASA initiative makes the cut by looking at trap, asymmetric and speed range - entirely logical in my view (though I would agree the 405's may struggle). ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: 800-1077
Date Posted: 23 May 08 at 9:19am
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I am struggling to see why it lacks clarity... TASA is an organisation run to benefit ALL TASA boats, and the majority of events would be open to all trapeze asymmetric classes. As Yellowhammer rightly said, this was a pilot event, intended to have some very close racing between very similar boats. At present, any issues regarding "organisation", i will admit to, but i would like to remind people that "TASA" is, in fact one person. As such, any positive critism or ideas are greatfully recieved, as are any offers of help. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23 May 08 at 10:00am
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Well I think it's a good idea, if by the sound of it lacking in organisational
support if only one guy is doing everything. Without wishing to state the obvious, but committee of interested folk? There must be half a dozen who post here that would wish only positive thoughts about such an organisation, I may be wrong, I may just not be fully aware of lots of other stuff that caters for modern "easier access" boats without all the string, poles and confusion, as well as the high performers. That said, I imagine events generally must be suffering with lower turnout due to the cost of travelling and the sheer diversity of classes. But an organisation such as this ought to be supported by manufacturers of boats that either have insufficient volumes or are earlier in their development. I'm so out of touch with events these days, when for example say TASA decided to hold an event at a Sailing Club, what proportion of the fee do they receive, £35 sounds not a lot in this day and age, a tank of juice alone costs the best part of £80. Lots of questions I know, but we could possibly help out here if it's not a political hot potatoe, given the employer association |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 23 May 08 at 10:04am
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I think that my remarks are a "positive citicism" although perhaps they are a little harsh due to me being a little peeved about the lack of communication about the last event.
If you read my post again you will see that i explained why it lacks Clarity.
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Posted By: 800-1077
Date Posted: 23 May 08 at 12:21pm
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Of the £30 entry fee (through a deal with the 3000s, it has been lowered for all classes), I will recieve nothing other than possibly covering my diesel to get to the event. The club takes £25 per boat, but that does not include trophies or prizes for the TASA fleet.... I would love to have a committee in place, but i have just had no such offers at all..
Merlin - I have read your post, and i can see your point, but hopefully my last post has cleared things up. |