bad news, good news!
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Category: Dinghy classes
Forum Name: Dinghy development
Forum Discription: The latest moves in the dinghy market
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Topic: bad news, good news!
Posted By: Oli
Subject: bad news, good news!
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 10:15am
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bad news: doc says my knees wont take anymore hardcore dinghy sailing without serious permanent damage! good news: for anyone that wants to buy the micro skiff! obviously im gutted about this situation as i havent yet had it out on the water! but as it stands im struggling to walk at the moment. so skiffing is not an option. pm me for details. ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 10:23am
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Sorry to hear your knees are not well. Who said sailing was a healthy pastime? Is there any other sport you can do? Windsurfing perhaps? Shame about the boat but if you drop a subtle hint to Contender443, he might buy it for me!! ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC 
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Posted By: Laser 173312
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 10:23am
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I know exactly what your going through. Thought I was going to have to sell the Laser, fortunately an operation has helped, but I suspect time is running out.
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Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 10:29am
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cheers for the kind words. already had the operation to try and sort it but they just wont take the abuse of hiking and trapezing. i will still be sailing yachts, but very gutted about no more trapezing! nudge Contender443 this way and i'll try my best to get him to buy it for you BNS! ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
hiking i can live without.Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 11:12am
| Maybe you should be considering a Canoe:-)) |
Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 11:20am
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been there tried that, i like the simple life me. ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 11:23am
A real shame  . Have you considered boats like the Challenger Trimaran? No hiking or trapezing involved, just sitting down in your comfy chair
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 11:24am
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JIm is right a canoe would ideal, very easy on the knees. ------------- |
Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 11:30am
think sticking to the projection for now will be fine. get to sit back and relax on the helm, have other people to do the work, cant get easier than that  ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 11:42am
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exactly TT, racing is usually over just in time for said happy hour. im yet to have my first dark and stomy of the year though. ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
Posted By: MikeBz
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 12:12pm
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I've never found trapezing hard on my knees. I've always preferred to use copious amounts of adjustment on trap. wire length rather than use a bent-legged position for any length of time. Just curious as to why trapezing causes you more issues than general standing up/walking about duties (or maybe it doesn't), or whether it's down to the type of boat and technique used/required. Mike |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 12:18pm
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It does surprise me that the doc ruled out trapezing, the force on your knees i tiny since it is the wire rather than you body taking the force. oing kick step to gunwale constantly in light winds might be hard on you knees over a long race though. Is this now the second owner in a row with this crazy skiff who hasn't even had it on the water? Someone buy it, sail the thing and post pics dammit! |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 12:19pm
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Has anyone got a pictures of the rig?
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 12:32pm
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isnt the micro skiff 12ft long?? If so i wonder how much bimbling would be needed to make it measure as a cherub?? obviously it would need to be converted to twin wire ???? ------------- |
Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 12:39pm
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dont say that. should stay as a mental boat not a cherub. would be a good double hander tho ------------- TWO FRANK-Hunter Impala |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 12:41pm
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Why dont you get a cat - very kind to the knees. The micro skiff wouldnt measure as a cherub, but could be a VERY overweight and wide 12ft skiff or R class! Next owner to buy it - sail it! Its a nice little toy. So stable and easy to use, but personally id say buy a 700 or musto instead. But if you want a play thing for £800 you can do alot worse!
------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 12:43pm
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& yer, a very soft tin rig! ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 12:53pm
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why wouldnt it measure as a cherub? and how heavy is it andy?? ------------- |
Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 12:57pm
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imagen that with a nice fat head main ------------- TWO FRANK-Hunter Impala |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 12:57pm
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Cherubs have lots of rules, snout, chines etc etc it just wouldnt measure. I didnt weigh it, but i did try and pick it up when it was along side Aqua in the garage, picked up aqua - yup no probs, picked up the micro and nearly put my back out!! At a guess, 70kg ish hull weight.............. and it feels it when sailing. But like I said for a toy its a goodeon, to race id say a 700 or musto as they are just so smooth and responsive. ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 1:17pm
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having sailed trapeze boats since i was 10, from conteders and 49ers laser2's 505 fireballs nat 18s hobie tigers etc etc, ive pretty much sailed all types of trapeze boat. the loads when in transitional phase can be huge, plus im not a small guy. wire to wire can also create huge impact forces. general walking does hurt very much so, hence why the doc said to stop the high impact stuff. also the action of over bending the knees is what can cause alot of problems i suffer from. i am very gutted that i wont get to sail it as it was just going to be a play thing. but id rather be able to walk when im older, which is why im no longer doing any dinghy stuff. pm me with sensible offers ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
Posted By: TheDuke
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 2:16pm
| Don't give up hope Slop_Idol. I have bad knees, and had several operations on them, and was told to give up sailing or not walk at 40. Well, I did give up when I was 27 for 12 years and started sailing again (GP's initially, but Merlins now) about three years ago. So far so good!! |
Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 2:36pm
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not giving up totally duke, just the more painful part for the time being. ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 4:46pm
| What about taking up helming a single wire two man boat- the helms in those tend not to do much hiking, given that it tends to make little difference compared to the crew's trapezeing |
Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 5:24pm
the only dinghy i would sail that has the crew hiking is the nat 18 and you do really have to hike those. i wont take dinghy sailing off the menu completely, but i will be picking and choosing what i do and when very carefully. ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
Posted By: Splosh
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 5:32pm
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I hope your knees get better soon slop_idol! If only Alton would let me sail the micro skiff there... ------------- RS300 - 346 :D |
Posted By: s.a.l.t.y
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 6:43pm
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slop_idol,
Talk to some people at the Blackwater Club like the Hare twins or Gareth Davies or Neil McCulloch. Im sure theres someone there that is crazy enough to buy it. Its a shame you cant sail it though. ------------- |
Posted By: 29er310
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 7:01pm
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The Neil Mculloch you talk of doesnt have a son called Alex does he? ------------- ---------------------- International 14 GBR1485 29er 310 for sale Laser 138462 for sale Optimist 4626 For sale |
Posted By: s.a.l.t.y
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 7:10pm
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yes he does. neil sails the only yellow (i think) spitfire. alex has a laser. why
do you know him? ------------- |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 7:22pm
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Right time to ditch the Laser then. I had a knee injury years ago and I am sure the time will come to move over to a trapeeze boat before long. Hope all is well, for the yachtie stuff. ------------- |
Posted By: HannahJ
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 8:31pm
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What's a Projection, out of interest? Can't find it anywhere.
------------- MIRROR 64799 "Dolphin" The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist hopes it will change; the realist adjusts the sail |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 9:25pm
 Its a Yacht. M\ybe we should ask SlopIdol to come up river to MSC on Saturday so we can both have a go on board! Loads of morrings free including the Visitor one!!  ------------- |
Posted By: 29er310
Date Posted: 13 May 08 at 10:22pm
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Um he is in my team racing team at school. He has improved a serious amount this term. ------------- ---------------------- International 14 GBR1485 29er 310 for sale Laser 138462 for sale Optimist 4626 For sale |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: 14 May 08 at 2:13pm
Maybe a challenger would be a tad too tame but the Weta 4.4 trimaran was getting the sailing anarchists all hot and moist a few weeks back.... http://weta.org.uk/ - http://weta.org.uk/ http://www.wetamarine.co.uk/ - http://www.wetamarine.co.uk/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeWddx-xUMk - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeWddx-xUMk  |
Posted By: s.a.l.t.y
Date Posted: 14 May 08 at 5:47pm
ah cool. yeah he has got a lot better since weve been doing our clubs volvo youth squad coaching thing. its helped a lot ------------- |
Posted By: GBR884
Date Posted: 14 May 08 at 5:54pm
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WETA?!?!?!?!? I've sailed one and i expected it to be really really really bad....... i was pleasantly surprised......... it was just really bad I dont think i would ever buy one, it just felt like it was stalling all the time. The only plus sides i found was that the racks were carbon and the Gaastra sails looked awesome! But still.......I wouldn't have one!! Adam ------------- |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 14 May 08 at 6:11pm
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that weta thing looks awful! obviously the guys on SA haven't got a clue what they are on about. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: combat wombat
Date Posted: 14 May 08 at 6:52pm
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Weta looks like it nosedives a treat in the videos. Please someone buy this "microskiff" who is actually going to sail it? Seems the last 3 or so owners just never got it wet! I'll give you £200 (not including delivery to Weston SC) ------------- B14 GBR 772 |
Posted By: andy_cherub
Date Posted: 14 May 08 at 7:16pm
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Ill swap it for my custom scorpion................... ------------- -12ft skiff, Team 'CST Composites' -Many thanks goes out to all of my sponsors. Ignore my user name, my views are of a 12ft skiff |
Posted By: Webmuppet
Date Posted: 14 May 08 at 7:20pm
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The UK distributor for the Weta brought the demo boat to Alton Water last weekend, I had a go and was surprised how much fun it was - much lighter and more nimble than I'd expected. We sailed it two-up but all the controls are well positioned for solo sailing. It certainly is 'a bit different' but definitely a good laugh and very comfortable. Nigel ------------- I am the milkman of human kindness, I will leave an extra pint (Billy Bragg) Graduate 2530 'Galaxy' |
Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 15 May 08 at 9:23am
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your more than welcome to come for a sail, next time we're in need of crew or sailing past i will let you know before hand. ------------- https://skiff-media.teemill.com/" rel="nofollow - T-SHIRTS https://www.photo4me.com/profile/23908/" rel="nofollow - PRINTS |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 15 May 08 at 10:37am
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Cheers for the offer. Only mentioned Saturday as Hannah is at Marconi at the weekend. ------------- |