Americas Cup Yachts
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Category: Keelboat classes
Forum Name: America's Cup
Forum Discription: Your thoughts on challenges to win the 'Auld Mug'
URL: http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4158
Printed Date: 10 May 25 at 10:12pm
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Topic: Americas Cup Yachts
Posted By: 29er310
Subject: Americas Cup Yachts
Date Posted: 07 May 08 at 8:39pm
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How fast did the most recent ones actually go upwind and downwind? Does anyone know roughly. Cheers George ------------- ---------------------- International 14 GBR1485 29er 310 for sale Laser 138462 for sale Optimist 4626 For sale |
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Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 10 May 08 at 9:35am
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9 Knots upwind and downwind in almost any strength of breeze. |
Posted By: 29er310
Date Posted: 10 May 08 at 10:18pm
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So what is to stop a moth or a 49er competing in the old americas cup, was there are rule about minimum legnth or width? ------------- ---------------------- International 14 GBR1485 29er 310 for sale Laser 138462 for sale Optimist 4626 For sale |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 10 May 08 at 10:22pm
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Minimum crew/weight maybe?
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Posted By: 29er310
Date Posted: 10 May 08 at 10:49pm
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Im not sure it would make sense to have a minimum crew weight, if they intended to race it in keelboats. ------------- ---------------------- International 14 GBR1485 29er 310 for sale Laser 138462 for sale Optimist 4626 For sale |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 10 May 08 at 10:58pm
The old IACC rule makes for some pretty heavy reading but it was based around a formula controling length, displacement and sail area... As far as I know the latest generation boats were all close to 25m and around 24tonnes (the vast majority of which is in the bulb) The new rule... well, I cant wait to see what it produces... ------------- |
Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 11 May 08 at 5:58am
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You forgot to ask how high they point. The answer is higher than pretty much anything else ever built. So forget about beating them around a W/L course in a dinghy. As for rules, normally the rules are established by mutual consent. Lately this has meant an IACC boat http://www.americascup.com/multimedia/docs/2004/08/1092062211_accv5.pdf - http://www.americascup.com/multimedia/docs/2004/08/109206221 1_accv5.pdf . There are a whole set of minimum dimension and construction rules which would rule out a dinghy, although AFAIK there is not a minimum length. In the current legal turmoil and lack of mutual consent, the original Deed of Gift for the Cup applies http://www.a3.org/ac2000_DeedofGift.html - http://www.a3.org/ac2000_DeedofGift.html which amongst other things specifies a minimum waterline length of 44 feet. Another thing that might put off a dinghy sailors is the 1M Euro "performance bond" entry fee. http://www.americascup.com/multimedia/docs/2004/08/1092299550_terms_of_challenge.pdf - http://www.americascup.com/multimedia/docs/2004/08/109229955 0_terms_of_challenge.pdf
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Posted By: Chris Bridges
Date Posted: 11 May 08 at 9:26am
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On the subject of being able to point high, I was talking to the crew of the maltese falcon when it was moored near us in Antigua last Christmas, with the rotating masts they can sail at about 4 degrees to the wind!! ------------- 49er GBR735 (for sale) - Rutland SC |
Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 12 May 08 at 1:49pm
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By chance was it the 1st of April when they told you they can sail to 4degres from head to wind….. Maybe all the sail and mast designers have got it wrong and we should not have moved on from square riggers! Are you sure you mean they can sail to 4 degrees to the wind or they can get there booms (if that is what they are called) to 4 degrees from the centre line of the boat??? ------------- Ian (Bov) Turnbull 18ft Skiff Ronstan UK http://www.ianturnbullmarine.co.uk - Chandlery, tapered ropes and specialist solutions for sailors who demand the best - BovBoats.co.uk |
Posted By: bovlike
Date Posted: 12 May 08 at 1:54pm
 from the flag at the back they dont seem to be sailing to a very good VMG looks more like 90 degrees to the wind ------------- Ian (Bov) Turnbull 18ft Skiff Ronstan UK http://www.ianturnbullmarine.co.uk - Chandlery, tapered ropes and specialist solutions for sailors who demand the best - BovBoats.co.uk |