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Topic: I14
Posted By: Kudlinski
Subject: I14
Date Posted: 13 Jan 08 at 6:54pm
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Hi am looking at buying an older iternational 14 and was wondering if anyone out there can advise or maybe recomend what to do I am currenly sailing a rs400 and have just sold my laser 5000 and in the process o selling my rs 600 I found the 5k far to heavy and my crew was never really a fan of bagging the kite I was looking at spending up to about a £1000 on my first one to see if i like them, is that realistic Condition wise the boat does not matter and can repair it if needs be As long as I went for a design that would be good for club racing so not ancient Any advice would be great Many thanks Mark rs400 866 |
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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 9:23am
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Mark, You wont get a fair reflection on current rule I14's by buying a £1000 boat! you would buy a penny 14 for that which is allot slower and will give you the wrong impression. I would recommend you buy something like a bieker 3 or morrioson 10 you will need to fork out around £3000 for a decent one but you may be lucky and it would be self tacking and foiling! It would eat a 5k alive and give you a good grounding to move on to later current rule designs! once you know whether you like them or not. ------------- |
Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 9:56am
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my boat is for sale atm. it is a penni 14 with 2 rigs 7 jibs 2 mains 2kites. has all harken. lots of spares and stuff. she looks a little rough round the edges but is still quick and great fun to sail. ------------- TWO FRANK-Hunter Impala |
Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 11:09am
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Dunno how useful this is http://tasauk.3.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=128&st=0&#entry646 - New rules 14 for sale
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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 11:22am
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Thats a mint 14, trouble is i think critch wants somewhere near £7000 for it. You can buy our M12 for £6-6500. ------------- |
Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 11:33am
 Sorry, as it had no price i just thought i would give it a mention Good thing Merlinboy knows ------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk"> BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 11:44am
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Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 12:32pm
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Mine is also for sale so i can buy a newer one. 2 carbon Masts, carbon boom, full combi trailor, 2 mains, 3 jibs, 4/5 kites 2 rudders, 1 daggerboard loads of spares etc. £1900 PM me if your interested ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 12:37pm
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put some pics up ------------- TWO FRANK-Hunter Impala |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 1:27pm
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For that money I think that finding a well sorted Penny with kit would be better than a poor new rules boat.
With the Penny you can still have a lot of fun and race it with the pennultimate handicap. For your money I think you could only get a very early new rules hull and they are much slower than current boats but you would be expected to sail to the same handicap. ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: Kudlinski
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 4:46pm
| Thanks for all replies the only reason I want to spend around the 1 grand mark is to see if i like them or not as would be a shame to spend 7k and find i prefer the 400. |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 5:03pm
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Thats what i'm saying mate, to see if you like a 14 you would need a curent rules boat which you wont get for a grand! you will buy an old penny which no dis respect because they seem to have a better following then current rules! Isn't the same thing! ------------- |
Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 5:13pm
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i found the penni a good learning platform for helming on the wire and also bloody quick. have sailed current and other skiffs and found the penni a good laugh. but am changing now to a new rules or a b14 or 49er cant decide tho( please noone suggest a cherub) ------------- TWO FRANK-Hunter Impala |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 5:16pm
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Olly how do you fancy buying our morrison 12 i14?? We will do you a special deal! ------------- |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 5:26pm
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Olly (I have to ask), why not a Cherub?
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 5:41pm
I disagree obviously. I may not have 7 jibs a measly 3 compared to olly's but in the light it is just as quick as modern one. If not a touch quicker. and non foil 14s have a different hadicap! ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 5:44pm
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How do i post piccies? ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 5:46pm
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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 5:57pm
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Pic aint working alex! ------------- |
Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 5:58pm
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cause i wanted somthing a bit larger and i am alittle overweight for a cherub and am trying to get away from bodged boats want somthing that i can just sail. and BBSCFaithfull can u send me the details for your boat and stuff. and some piccys ------------- TWO FRANK-Hunter Impala |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 6:02pm
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cst14 mast, full rmw sails, RMW t-foil, Ronstan self taker, RMW morrison 12 full carbon hull, movable correctors, nearly every option garda spec soverign combi!! Come on boys you know it makes sense! ------------- |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 6:27pm
Shiny thing......
------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 6:38pm
Fair enough, but I wouldn't call the modern fleet "bodged". ------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 6:40pm
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Ross how have you hijacked a disussion about a 14 to talk about cherubs?? ------------- |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 6:41pm
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Cheers mate! even better close up, be sorry to see her go! ------------- |
Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 6:49pm
I think this time, he was almost invited, this time only mind ------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk"> BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 7:20pm
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Not hijacked at all! Just asked a question, and 2 posts in a 3 page thread does not constitute a hijacking
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 7:25pm
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most of the modern fleet are converted old boats arnt they anywasy back to 14s
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Posted By: Kudlinski
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 8:18pm
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new rules look good but cant afford one wish I could but what can yoo do, thanks for the couple of offers of boats I have had. For the price I am looking at I think a 14 is the sest option. |
Posted By: 29er310
Date Posted: 15 Jan 08 at 10:53pm
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Having sailed both BBSCFaithfulls 14 on many occasions and Andy Fitzgeralds B4 I can say that Alex's older 14 gives you the feel of a proper 14 and its not a penny, its a properly quick boat in the light at POW we were getting some worried looks from a few german boats as we cruised past them on the way to the startline, for the price it is selling at it is a very well sorted introduction to 14 sailing and will give you a hell of a ride on the way, who needs self tackers and t-foils anyway? ------------- ---------------------- International 14 GBR1485 29er 310 for sale Laser 138462 for sale Optimist 4626 For sale |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 16 Jan 08 at 10:07am
Pot kettle black ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 16 Jan 08 at 11:54am
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I think the dinghy show is going to be complete war between 12 foot boats and 14 foot boats, running about with their war paint on, the twelve foots skiffs charging with their x meter long pole
------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk"> BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 16 Jan 08 at 6:46pm
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12 foot boat. And a fixed bowsprit... i think they are compensating ha ha
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Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 16 Jan 08 at 7:03pm
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carefull remeber the 12foot maffia ------------- TWO FRANK-Hunter Impala |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 18 Jan 08 at 2:22pm
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Not me big boy, i never hijack any thread to talk about 14's mainly because i dont know much about them really! ------------- |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 19 Jan 08 at 5:06pm
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ive just bought an old 14 (i think its a howlett 1B) i need some sails and foils for so if anyone has some kit they want rid of drop me a PM. also can anyone fill me in a bit on the history of the design, is it a penny or is it newer than that, is it quick, am i going to get totally nailed the first time i go out (bearing in mind i can keep a 600 upright for the whole of the Bloody Mary, even if the main halyar keeps falling down)? anything really. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Splosh
Date Posted: 19 Jan 08 at 5:28pm
Mike, Your on your way to quite a good collection there ------------- RS300 - 346 :D |
...Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 19 Jan 08 at 5:41pm
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Howlett 1B's were pretty much the top of the tree in the Penultimate days. I believe the design dates back to the pre assymetric days (not by much though)
------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 19 Jan 08 at 5:56pm
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thats not what it looked like from the pictures luke, it had all the gubbins for an assy i think. (fairly sure) ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 19 Jan 08 at 6:00pm
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they are assy boats. mine is as well. just earlie assy. the poles are off center and the kites are massive for the hull and gear but alot of fun. will try to sort that jib out asap for u OH and remember MINE IS STILL FOR SALE ------------- TWO FRANK-Hunter Impala |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 19 Jan 08 at 7:58pm
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When I said the design dated back to the pre asymmetric days I meant there were only a couple built pre '89. I think that was the significance of the B. I wouldn't be surprised if the earlier ones were converted. Ian Walker won the 1993 worlds in one, I remember that much. Right, I've had a look in the back of the Evans book, which unfortunately only goes up to 1988-89ish. The earliest Howlett I can see was 1163 in 1985. The earliest 1B I can see was 1261 in 1989. ------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 19 Jan 08 at 9:15pm
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what book is that ------------- TWO FRANK-Hunter Impala |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 19 Jan 08 at 10:16pm
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The International Fourteen 1928-1989 by T J Vaughan. It was the predecessor to what is now on the class website. With a big list of UK boats by sailnumber at the back, and lots of pictures and diagrams, and lists of major trophy winners. http://www.international14.org/index.php?option=com_content& amp;task=view&id=27&Itemid=29 ------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 19 Jan 08 at 10:21pm
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that link didnt work what did u search for on the site. and could you have a look for 14 no 1219 and see if it is there
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Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 20 Jan 08 at 3:44pm
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http://www.international14.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=29 - http://www.international14.org/index.php?option=com_content& amp;task=view&id=27&Itemid=29 ------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 20 Jan 08 at 3:48pm
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According to this list 1219 is an '87 Morrison V built by Sutherland (Fast Foils) ------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 20 Jan 08 at 3:55pm
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yea thought so. any more info on the boat ------------- TWO FRANK-Hunter Impala |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 20 Jan 08 at 7:03pm
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That's all I have I'm afraid. ------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 20 Jan 08 at 10:50pm
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no worries ------------- TWO FRANK-Hunter Impala |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 21 Jan 08 at 2:01pm
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The first 14 I sailed on was a Howlett 1A the sail number was in the 1100's
It was originally symetric and converted to Assy. I am pretty sure that the 1B was quite a different hull shape to the 1A but am not sure what the differences were. ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 29 Jan 08 at 6:23pm
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i picked up the 14 this weekend, the hull number is 1318, luke have you got any information on that? also im still looking for a main and kite and foils. can anyone help? ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 29 Jan 08 at 6:41pm
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how goods your rudderless sailing? . . . . ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 29 Jan 08 at 7:11pm
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I can tell you it's post 1989..... that's how far the list I've got goes...
------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: simsy
Date Posted: 12 Feb 08 at 4:56pm
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Well, debatable. Considering at least 4 800's beat you at the Bloody Mary and you had a head start. False advertsing comes to mind. |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 12 Feb 08 at 5:29pm
Mr simsy, 4 really? wow must be the rubbish wind at the bloody mary? Or the results i will admit some 8s slipped past but hey the bloody mary isnt exactly the place to compare speed is it? ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 12 Feb 08 at 5:40pm
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It's no lie myself and mopps can confirm that 1405 is defiantly faster than almost all 800's. Especially in the light stuff.
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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 12 Feb 08 at 6:21pm
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We havnt been beaten by many 800's in our time either Unless it is ABSOLUTLY HONKING! ------------- |
Posted By: simsy
Date Posted: 12 Feb 08 at 8:16pm
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I know for a fact that the new 14's are certainly faster then 800's. But BBSC'sfaithfull claiming that his boat is quicker is debatable. And as I recall the Bloody Mary WAS light winds. |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 12 Feb 08 at 9:06pm
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Didn't the 800 lap the 14 at BBSC last Sunday? ------------- http://www.wilsoniansc.org.uk" rel="nofollow - Wilsonian SC http://www.3000class.org.uk" rel="nofollow - 3000 Class |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 12 Feb 08 at 9:07pm
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Well i am backing up the fact that alex 14 is definatly faster ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: simsy
Date Posted: 12 Feb 08 at 9:27pm
| Well everyone is entitiled to their opinion, so fair enough. But when Alex is making false claims about the boat in which he is selling, that is when I start picking at things. |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 12 Feb 08 at 9:37pm
Simsy, Your being a nob tbh. It was light shifty wind at the bloody mary. There was no clear breeze and if some 8s went past so what? Chichester harbour nice 2-4 and we'll see whats faster. Ive overtaken countless 800s in the harbour and made them look pedestrian. You're rong simsy, im sorry you opinion was based on that day Alex ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: simsy
Date Posted: 12 Feb 08 at 11:35pm
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Well lets not resort to petty insults now. Well to be fair thats what most people on this forum do, so im kinda used to reading it. Read my above post, I said everyone is entitled to their opinion, so let's not go around saying people are bang out wrong now shall we. Problem is, sailing isn't always sailed in consistent, perfect breeze so every situation needs to be taken into account. Im just saying that your claim to 'every 800 you sailed against, you've beaten them' is slightly incorrect. |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 13 Feb 08 at 9:07am
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The bloody mary isnt really racing is it? I must admit that sometimes it is hard to shake off the pesky 800s especially when you're trying to battle past b14s and all their dirty air so if a couple of 800s got past then im sorry but atleast i wasnt beaten by any cherubs ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 13 Feb 08 at 9:31am
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Apart from Ronin (the GT60) which beat all the 14's but one.
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 13 Feb 08 at 9:59am
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Not actually a cherub is it? ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: hollandsd
Date Posted: 13 Feb 08 at 10:22am
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Why doesent someone orgainise a Skiff Off during the summer. Get each class to send representatives and finally get some answers and video footage to backup peoples claims. ------------- Laser 184084 Tasar 3501 RS600 698 RS600 782 |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 13 Feb 08 at 11:14am
Id love to know what makes it not a cherub.... ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 13 Feb 08 at 11:59am
To the best of my knowledge it is now. They added the 25 grams of carbon on the bottom of the stem that made it not a Cherub last year. Its absence was more to do with marketing image than performance I suspect. It looks to be a pretty nice Cherub, and I'd expect it to be especially strong in moderate and suicide conditions. When comparing boats you have to remember that the difference in performance between the top sailors in fleet and the beginners is usually equivalent to about 200 points of PY (more with foil Moths!). The difference between ideal conditions for one class and another might be worth another 200 points one way or the other in different conditions (again more with foil Moths!!). So if you see X overtaking Y one day is probably means **** all! |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 14 Feb 08 at 10:24am
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Cheers Jim, And i meant the discrepancies in the rules did not make a gt60 a cherub until they did something to the bow? ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 14 Feb 08 at 5:51pm
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doesn't have a vertical bow does it? ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 14 Feb 08 at 6:15pm
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The bow has always been vertical - It was just initialy built with a small radius at the base to make a nice pretty curve rather than a sharp corner which didnt quite fit into the cherub rules specifying a minumum of 200mm of vertical stem. A bit of filler and some carbon after the hyeres trials and it got a cherub measurement certificate immediately. ------------- |
Posted By: 29er310
Date Posted: 14 Feb 08 at 8:44pm
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Sorry Simsy, there is not a hope in hell of an 800 being quicker than 1405. The idea of a Skiff-Off would be interesting, I think the top 3 would be 1. 49er 2. 14 3. 800 George ------------- ---------------------- International 14 GBR1485 29er 310 for sale Laser 138462 for sale Optimist 4626 For sale |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 14 Feb 08 at 10:46pm
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On handicap that would be wrong! ------------- |
Posted By: simsy
Date Posted: 15 Feb 08 at 11:23am
I accept your apology, however I am not sure what it is for. Your statement there is incorrect. A boat (say a certain 14) starts a race before another boat (say an 800), and then finishes the race behind the 800. So over the whole race, you're are going to tell me that the 14 was quicker, even though it is physically impossible for that to be so. Good luck with that. |
Posted By: Chris Bridges
Date Posted: 15 Feb 08 at 11:33am
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For a 14 with no t foil.. Is there an official PY for a 14 with a t foil? ------------- 49er GBR735 (for sale) - Rutland SC |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 15 Feb 08 at 12:22pm
The T doesnt change the handicap. ------------- |
Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 15 Feb 08 at 12:25pm
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it did for the bloody mary and the tiger ------------- TWO FRANK-Hunter Impala |
Posted By: Chris Bridges
Date Posted: 15 Feb 08 at 1:06pm
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It should, makes a big difference from what i have seen! Also in the notes for the 14, it says without t foil, so I guessed that there is a different PY.. ------------- 49er GBR735 (for sale) - Rutland SC |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 15 Feb 08 at 1:33pm
Simsy, Living up to your new found nob status once again. I admit some 800s slipped past but if you're continuously basing all you ideas about my boat on the bloody mary and not proper racing then good for you. But i know that in a proper race in chichester harbour in a good steady breeze not filled with all the rubbish air that was present at queen marys, that there would be no contest between my boat and your precious 800. ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 15 Feb 08 at 2:57pm
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Chris, its says 14(non-foiling) They experimented with foils on the 14 but i think they have since been banned! We only sail with a T-foil off a handicap of 850 which may i add is peeved especially if the 800 is off 820 and a 5tonner is off 849!!!! ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 15 Feb 08 at 4:00pm
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Guys, like I said before, relative performance of two - or even a small number of boats is no guide to anything... To put in perspective lets say Class A has PY of 800, Class B has PY of 850. Both fleets have the normal 200 points variation of ability. That means that the National Champion in Class B would expect to beat three quarters of the Champs fleet of Class A on the water...
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Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 15 Feb 08 at 4:33pm
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so in reality, you could only (fairly) compare the top 5 or 10% of each fleet (?) ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
Posted By: Chris Bridges
Date Posted: 15 Feb 08 at 4:40pm
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Surely the t foil makes quite a big difference in speed, surely it should have its own? Its not a bad thing for you lot I guess! you should absolutely thrash!! ------------- 49er GBR735 (for sale) - Rutland SC |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 15 Feb 08 at 4:59pm
Yep, and of course you need to know who the top 5 and 10% are... If the M**** R***** fleet had turned up with half of the top 10% of their Champs fleet at every Winter Open and the L**** fleet has exactly none of the top bods present then the results will look as if the former has an exceedingly favourable handicap... |
Posted By: simsy
Date Posted: 15 Feb 08 at 5:16pm
Why do you continue to resort to insults? It's pathetic and childish. Why is the Bloody Mary not proper racing? It must be at least OK if over 200 different boats turn up to it! No? |
Posted By: Chris Bridges
Date Posted: 15 Feb 08 at 5:48pm
Yea, round a course it would beat one without by quite a bit I would think.. ------------- 49er GBR735 (for sale) - Rutland SC |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 15 Feb 08 at 6:15pm
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The added upwind advantage more than compensates for the off wind speed "loss". The added stability it provides when is honking will also increase speed around the course, I would think. ------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 15 Feb 08 at 6:41pm
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I'm fairly sure the Fourteens didn't ban them... just said you could only have one...
------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 15 Feb 08 at 7:12pm
I felt your previous comment was childish anyway i apologise for calling you a nob. And its not really proper racing as in A) No clear air so you couldnt actually get any real speed up B)Lap recording was shocking C) It was horrible dodging boats before and after marks. So all in all just a big water based game of dodgems ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: 29er310
Date Posted: 16 Feb 08 at 10:51pm
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Who would win in a race between the top fourteen teams, the top 49er teams and the top 800 teams? Arguably the 49er has the best fleets but then some of the top fouteeners like Rob and Pete Greenhalgh used to sail 49ers and are pretty tip top. Having never raced and not knowing that much about the 800 fleets I dont know how good the top guys are. George ------------- ---------------------- International 14 GBR1485 29er 310 for sale Laser 138462 for sale Optimist 4626 For sale |