29er test sail
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Topic: 29er test sail
Posted By: theycallmegod
Subject: 29er test sail
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 12:03pm
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Anyone in the South west area willing to let me loose on their boat for a while? I've been looking at the 29er for a while, but i don't want to buy one without trying it.... After crewing a B14, the radial seems a bit boring  |
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Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 1:12pm
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I would contact the Class Association. What draws you to the 29er?
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: ifoxwell
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 2:41pm
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To get the best and therefore the most enjoyment from a 29er you really want an equally commited crew/helm... Other wise just buy one and try it. They hold there money very well so if you dont get on with it you'd probably get your money back. Ian |
Posted By: 29er310
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 4:05pm
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Yeah I could maybe sort you out with a sail, my boat is for sale, it is currently located in Itchenor in West sussex is that is not too far to travel. George ------------- ---------------------- International 14 GBR1485 29er 310 for sale Laser 138462 for sale Optimist 4626 For sale |
Posted By: combat wombat
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 5:09pm
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Cut out the yoof boat go-between and buy the B14 - if you enjoyed it so much. In the southwest you have Starcross with loads of B14's to sail against. You'll have plenty of change left over if you choose the B14 over the 9er. ------------- B14 GBR 772 |
Posted By: theycallmegod
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 5:47pm
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Wombat- I'm only 56kg- which means my crew would have to be 16stone... However, 56kg is about perfect for 29er helm (i think). 310- I'm near Exeter, so sussex is a bit far.... |
Posted By: theycallmegod
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 5:53pm
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Yeah it is...... (almost) That's where i sail... |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 6:09pm
nothing wrong with being too light for the boat! im a good 2 stone plus too light for the Big rig on the 300 and can still handle it extremely well once the wind has picked up tbh, sailing is more about technique than throwing your weight over the side of the boat i say leave the 29er alone, expensive etc. ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: theycallmegod
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 6:11pm
I know the 9er is expensive, but i would like to stay within the RYA youth loop..... What's the 'etc'?? |
Posted By: FireballNeil
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 7:00pm
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Theres no etc, and as long as you look after it you will get your money back! If you can find a regular crew or someone with previous 29er experience then get boat hunting! btw im the mambo_king! ------------- Neil 
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Posted By: MpHarris
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 7:01pm
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[QUOTE] [\QUOTE] Could just be me but i thought the class rules for the 300 meant that if you are under 11.5 stone, don't you HAVE to use the smaller rig? and if you're above this in the optional band surely you're not to light? ------------- Cherub 2663 "Sweet Dreams" RS400 451 "IceBerg" |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 7:20pm
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they did away with that rule ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: theycallmegod
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 7:31pm
Wow- you bump into people from tacticat everywhere... I'm not sure about crews.... whats the optimum weight? PS. No I am the Mambo King! |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 7:49pm
About the weight of an average bloke  (It's not very much) ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: FireballNeil
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 8:05pm
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Crews- lightest girls at draycote I believe are tipping in at just over 50kilos each and just through practise theyre beating most of us 60kilos to 70 is better for a crew though and at 65 your spot on for a helm (im 64- well at least I am since christmas!) And no I really am the Mambo_King! ------------- Neil
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Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 8:10pm
Wasn't the boat originally designed with girls in mind ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 8:15pm
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Yeh .. You said it, I'm just agreeing with you! Does explain why they all have pink kites! ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: theycallmegod
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 8:18pm
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65? im 56.... more pies! How well does the boat depower? |
Posted By: ifoxwell
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 9:05pm
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The 29er depowers fantasticaly well. The controls are all more than powerful enough and the rig does the rest, with the flexi top twisting off when you need it. Its one of only two boats Ive had that I would take out in any conditions... and although I'm 70 kg my crew is only 50kg so we although in the weight range are not ideal. Its a great boat, if you want to sail one then sail it, as long as you stick with it through the learning curve you'll love it. Ian |
Posted By: theycallmegod
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 9:12pm
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OK then, next question =] How competetive are the older boats? My budget is whatever i can get from the sale of my laser, which is probably going to be sub 3000. Do the hulls go soft quickly? |
Posted By: ifoxwell
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 9:37pm
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It’s a competitive fleet and if you want to win the nationals then yes, you’ll want a new boat as although they don’t suffer that much they do still go soft. I have an older boat (that is actually for sale as well, crew/wife is now pregnant, but I’m in Kent so I cant help you that much with a test sale) and the only time I notice anything is on the strongest days, when the rig is on hard and I feel as though we don’t plane upwind quite so easily. That said in a handicap fleet you wouldn’t notice any difference and I would actually suggest that if you’re new to the fleet then you would be better off with an older, cheaper boat. It takes time to get up to speed in the fleet and it would be a long time before the boat was holding you back. Ian
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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 9:40pm
| 56 is fine mate - and a crew of just over about 65 would be perfect. 29ers don't carry weight well. |
Posted By: Mopps
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 9:40pm
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don't they sell off the old worlds boats in the summer (yes i realise that's a long way off) at a cut price ? x ------------- I am the boatwhore B14 694 |
Posted By: FireballNeil
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 10:25pm
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An older boat is not going to slow you down unless its like damp cardboard, getting your boathandling nailed and not making silly decisions will be the biggest factor- I know this now from experience having raced an ex nat-squaddy the other weekend who was in an equally old boat with marginally better sails take nearly a lap out of me on a short course in the space of about 30-40minutes He didnt make one bad mark rounding by doing a late gybedrop/ something similar and thats what made the difference! ------------- Neil
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Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 10:31pm
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tbh having a older boat does so little that only olympic sailors worry about having a old boat ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: theycallmegod
Date Posted: 03 Jan 08 at 10:49pm
I like what I'm hearing apart from this bit
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Posted By: FireballNeil
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 2:33pm
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Yeah Ive learnt from experience !! ------------- Neil
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Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 9:45pm
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We got a test sail from Ovington on one of their demo days - free boat for several hours and superb instruction thrown in by Dave and Adam. Had a wonderful morning - but then, somehow, never bought one. .... determination to stay OUT of the RYA yoof loop probably. ------------- Javelin 558 Contender 2574 |
Posted By: ifoxwell
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 10:15pm
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Thats the only flaw with the boat as I see it. Its tag... Its a great boat in its own right. Fun to sail and they do well on handicap so why dont more people sail them just for fun. They dont have to be just for the kids wanting to prove something! Ian |