baby bars
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Topic: baby bars
Posted By: ratface
Subject: baby bars
Date Posted: 02 Jan 08 at 4:30pm
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i need to make baby bars for my 5000, seen as laser don't make them will a laser bottom/top section hold the weight of 2 people? what would be the best way of attaching them onto the racks in such a way that they can be removed? and no i cant make them out of carbon, class rules dont allow it  *waits for the cherub sailors to answer* ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
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Posted By: Splosh
Date Posted: 02 Jan 08 at 5:09pm
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Wouldn't you just weld a bit more scafolding to it?! If you weld it, it definatly 'has the potential' hold 2 lardy blokes lol! Splosh. ------------- RS300 - 346 :D |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 02 Jan 08 at 5:18pm
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Why do you need them?
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Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 02 Jan 08 at 5:24pm
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i need the racks out all the way and the gap between hull and rack is more of a leap than a step... as the two pics on this page show http://yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=382&PN=1&TPN=535 - http://yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=382&a mp;PN=1&TPN=535 i know there is also the option of eating pies  ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 02 Jan 08 at 5:26pm
Oh get you now! I thought you wanted them for a baby to trapeze off of, and I was wondering who's baby! ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: Splosh
Date Posted: 02 Jan 08 at 5:28pm
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Yep, pies are the best option! Are you sure its worth having the racks so far out? as you sail on a lake (me thinks) 'aka, lots of gusts' it wil be long way to get out in a hurry so it would probably be better to have 'em half in and respond to the gusts better. just an idea. splosh ------------- RS300 - 346 :D |
Posted By: Splosh
Date Posted: 02 Jan 08 at 5:31pm
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Looking at thoes pics you may be needing baby, baby bars ------------- RS300 - 346 :D |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 02 Jan 08 at 5:37pm
somehow i dont see a baby trimming the spinnaker on the 5k  and Spolsh yes i sail on a lake but i will also be sailing on the sea loads this year, and will still need the baby bars on the racks wherever i sail ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: Splosh
Date Posted: 02 Jan 08 at 5:42pm
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can you still push the racks away with baby bars on? ------------- RS300 - 346 :D |
Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 02 Jan 08 at 5:46pm
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Rs 800's do ------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk">  BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 02 Jan 08 at 6:33pm
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dont think so ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 02 Jan 08 at 9:17pm
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Ring your local metal stockist and give them the tube size of your normal bars and the length inside the racks, they are made of the same material. then ring Laser and buy the brackets to fix then to the normal racks. (Last I heard they still had the brackets) ------------- 49er 531 & 5000 5025 and a mirror(now gone to mirror heaven)! http://www.grafham.org/" rel="nofollow - Grafham water Sailing Club The greatest inland sailing in the country |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 9:03am
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Why dont you fit traps like the B14's do be lighter! ------------- |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 9:51am
Because they're after a ladder, not a nice comfy seat. Of course, the seat is a better idea, but that's neither here nor there. Anyway, look at something like a 4000- it has half-tramps for the helm, but leaves the space clear for the crew to nimbly leap out over. |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 11:29am
i need almost 40kgs of lead (basically a small child) in my boat... having baby bars means that if i weight them( once i have some) i can count that as some of my lead ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 1:19pm
40kgs!!! thats obscene! ------------- |
Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 1:44pm
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i think u can get them off the class site. try emailing them. we used to use the baby bars and u do need it the jump is massive otherwise. if i remember rightly there was some kind of slider thing that went on before the racks went in the boat then that was pinned in place the same as the racks. and i think they are made of the same old lower laser section but a longer length ------------- TWO FRANK-Hunter Impala |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 1:44pm
| He'd be as well getting a small person as a thrird crew at that weight! |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 6:49pm
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40kg of lead isnt going to be cheap!
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Posted By: landlocked
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 8:12pm
no it isn't my dad just bought some lead for the roof of the new bay window they've had fittted it was about 10' by 2.5' and rrp was £320 + VAT reckon it weighed about 30kg Mind you he did get a 60% discount! ------------- Cherub 2535 "Eggbert the Nasty" Soon to be for sale PM for Details Cherub 2657 "Slippery When Wet" Don't sail fly Cherub |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 04 Jan 08 at 8:26pm
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAHA.........smods  ------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 05 Jan 08 at 5:04pm
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shh ross ! even with all that i can beat you on the water getting P&B to make and fit me some baby bars ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 05 Jan 08 at 6:34pm
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I like the way you have the racks out alll the way and you could probably get an oppi in the middle. I am sure you have some at BLYM, why not add them in the middle of the racks? ------------- |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 05 Jan 08 at 6:41pm
Why not just not put the lead in? It's not like the 5000 class assosiation are going to come after you Plus no-offence guys but the 5000 is already a bit heavy without the lead  ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 05 Jan 08 at 6:51pm
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He will need it for handicap meatings surly?
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 05 Jan 08 at 6:56pm
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yeh ross is corrrect i need it for events be it 5k ones or handicap, as class rules stat that all lead +crew has to equal 170kgs in every 5000 and at events you have to abide by class rules...
however while just playing i can remove it ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 05 Jan 08 at 7:50pm
Fella, The 5000 class is dead! Why worry yourself. Find your self some netting and use that! Much lighter and cheaper and easier to replace etc Cheers, Alex ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 05 Jan 08 at 8:11pm
That's what i said ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 06 Jan 08 at 11:24pm
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I will go chasing after him, it's a one design! I expect to see 40 kilos of lead in your boat at the BM Barton !
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 07 Jan 08 at 6:15am
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It's cheating. It's against the rules. Don't even joke about it....
------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 07 Jan 08 at 9:20am
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I wouldnt even bother making a 5k even heavier! ------------- |
Posted By: Fin.
Date Posted: 11 Jan 08 at 12:23pm
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Hi Ratface on the laser5000 forum, this topic was just raised in December 2007.You'll find information here on how to construct racks; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/5000classassociation/message/564 - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/5000classassociation/message/5 64 If you've other 5000 boat related issues, questions etc; by all means feel free to post on the classs forum. Generally a helpfull bunch. 40kg of lead ... this sounds extreme and unnecessary. The class website have the charts for working out the rack settings you need to use. Not sure what size/shape/length you and your crew are, but it'd be worth calculating and setting racks correctly if going to race. if set real far out - baby-racks would be handy. Cheers fin. |
Posted By: Adam.s
Date Posted: 11 Jan 08 at 4:32pm
how much is that costing?? ------------- |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 11 Jan 08 at 4:39pm
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Fin - i am a stupidly light person(so is the crew) and have calculated out my rack setting/lead. and the way the 5k forum shows how to make baby bars costs a quite a bit adam- yet to find out... ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: Fin.
Date Posted: 11 Jan 08 at 4:54pm
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Hi Ratface apologies, hadn't fully understood your need for extra weight. Apparently weights can be fitted to boats... there's a retaining-bar in the cockpit for them. Might be worth posting in the 5000 forum - someone might have a few weights kicking around. If you're getting bars made elsewhere (P&B!)- would be great to see the final thing.... there's definite interest in the class. By the way, some laser5000s are congregating soon for racing:
(Not dead yet !!!) you'd be welcome. (I don't think I will be making it myself unfortunately). All the best, fin. |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 11 Jan 08 at 4:58pm
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ive got some lead now, well... collecting at the tiger trophy so yeh im there in the 5k of course only me and Craig Johnson entered for it so far in 5k's to ur post below fin... im already on a see food diet ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: Fin.
Date Posted: 11 Jan 08 at 4:58pm
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Ratface quote - Fin - i am a stupidly light person(so is the crew) I suppose this gives a new meaning to having a weight-problem. The only answer for you, is copious quantities of full fat Ale and pork scratchings, as well as extra pie-eating training !
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Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 11 Jan 08 at 7:21pm
What's wider, a 5tonner at maximum wing span, or a b14? |
Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 11 Jan 08 at 8:04pm
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[/QUOTE] so am i ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 11 Jan 08 at 8:14pm
5k at widest is 3.05metres... ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 11 Jan 08 at 8:18pm
Pity one of those 5k's is ratface, and we are good friends with the owner of the other one ( He sails at the same club!! ) ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: radixon
Date Posted: 11 Jan 08 at 9:45pm
But only one 5k can sail at once at BLYM, thats why they have to go elsewhere to sail it!!!!!!!! ------------- |
Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 11 Jan 08 at 9:53pm
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because of thier weight they displace all the water ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 11 Jan 08 at 10:10pm
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http://yachtsandyachting.com/news/?article=16481 - we have held a eurocup... highest the lake has been in years ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 12 Jan 08 at 8:57am
hmm, you "win" by a centimetre. But then, of course, you stand on that. On the other hand, the 5000 and B14 fleets at the Tiger will proabably weigh about the same. On the baby bars front, a friend just bought a 700- he's light enough to need them on that, so made sure he bought a boat that already had them as LDC charge £120 each for them- and they make little/no difference to second hand value. |
Posted By: Fin.
Date Posted: 14 Jan 08 at 9:34am
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Hey Ratface hope you have a good time at the tiger-trophy. There should be 1/2-a-dozen of 5000 there. Possibly more, so you'll be in good company. /fin |