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Topic: Boat hull colours
Posted By: headfry
Subject: Boat hull colours
Date Posted: 06 Jan 05 at 3:37pm

Can anyone tell me if the colour of a hull bears any relationship to its age?

Looking for my 400 now and I have found that there are quiet a few different hull colours and being just a tad girlie i would love a lilac/purplish one! though most in my sail number and price range are grey,  grey is good but it got me thinking that maybe certain years have certain coloured hulls. Is this so?




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Posted By: Doctor Clifford
Date Posted: 06 Jan 05 at 4:02pm
the odder the colour, the harder it is to hide any
dings and scratches when you want to flog it!



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Posted By: headfry
Date Posted: 06 Jan 05 at 4:05pm
In the case of 400's are red and yellow hull older boats with low sail numbers?


Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 06 Jan 05 at 4:24pm
They do that in toppers but there is not specified order there is a red mould and a other colour which varies mould. I pressume that it is similar with rs400s (without the moulds) if you brought 1 new you could pob. choose colour. Why don't you just buy a pink kite?

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Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 06 Jan 05 at 7:36pm
There is a theory that a nice bright hull colour is a good way to be identified OCS.


Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 06 Jan 05 at 8:44pm
Not wanting to be a wet blanket but: if you're OCS and know and don't go back/retire that's an infringement of rule 2 or if the PRO can't identify the boats over there should be a general recall - even if its just one boat!

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Posted By: Rob.e
Date Posted: 06 Jan 05 at 8:52pm

RS do seem to make boats in colour batches, so if you know the class you could probably guess the age from the colour. In the 400's there's a pinky coloured one at Portchester thats around 550 number, and the newer ones seem to be generally grey. When they were selling most boats, there was the most variety of colours.

Of course the best way of telling the age is by the sail number....lol



Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 06 Jan 05 at 9:48pm
The inside of the boats changed colour from dove grey to mist grey in 2001! Other than that the colours of the boats isnt an indication of age!

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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 07 Jan 05 at 1:43pm

When I went to Plas Menai a few years ago they has a lovely pink RS400 that we got dropped in to because we broke the manly blue one!

As for things like Lasers etc.. they all seem to come in a slightly off white (not sure how they describe the Grey these days).

Most other boats tend to be white (sorry most other plastic boats) with the exception of the classes which are still dominated by wooden hulls when you do get a profusion of colours...

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Posted By: headfry
Date Posted: 07 Jan 05 at 3:32pm

oooooh i would love a pink one!   



Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 07 Jan 05 at 4:11pm
i think they call it something like 'dawn grey'

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Posted By: headfry
Date Posted: 07 Jan 05 at 4:24pm
there does not seem to be many of this colour about, and none for sale at the moment, to girlie I guess!


Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 07 Jan 05 at 4:25pm
dawn grey....vela grey.....I call it dirty white!!

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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 07 Jan 05 at 5:21pm
Gray does seem to have been fashionable the last few years in 400s, red very old hat. Blue has been popular all the time.

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Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 07 Jan 05 at 5:25pm
Nice one Jim.  You Cherub boys are well handy with the old spray can.  Shame you're all colour blind


Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 08 Jan 05 at 8:47am

Originally posted by Garry

Not wanting to be a wet blanket but: if you're OCS and know and don't go back/retire that's an infringement of rule 2 or if the PRO can't identify the boats over there should be a general recall - even if its just one boat!

Well yes but in a big fleet in the middle of the line it is very often difficult to know if you are OCS or not, and anybody who has raced a while will have come across committees who will let a start go when maybe they shouldn't have.



Posted By: Garry
Date Posted: 08 Jan 05 at 4:21pm
Stefan

I agree and I did say if you knew and that can be very difficult even in a small fleet. I do think that sportsmanship has declined over the 25 years I've been racing, particularly in club racing, it seems the attitude is more about what you can get away with.


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Posted By: Bruce Starbuck
Date Posted: 08 Jan 05 at 8:38pm

Garry, you should see what goes on in the European Olympic circuit events. It can be disgusting, some of the rule abuse. Club racing observes impeccible levels of sportsmanship in comparison.

Many "club" sailors are often unaware they have broken rules due to a lower level of knowledge, wheras the professional sailors know full well when they are cheating, but usually just decide whether or not to do turns in a "risk management" style. I.e. they will estimate the likelyhood of being protested for a particular incident, before deciding whether or not to take a penalty. (usually not). The top guys will quite often do their turns, as they have more to lose, but I found the levels of cheating in mid-fleet to be astonishing in the Olympic events I did, even down to the level of near-fist-fights at leeward marks and people pulling their boats along with the gunwhales of other boats.



Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 10 Jan 05 at 7:40am
I think the big rules revision ('97?) has a lot to answer for. Prior to that, the rules were much clearer on who had right of way and also who had the onus to prove they were in the right in a protest. As a result, it was rarer for people to push their luck knowing they were unlikely to win a protest. The attempt to change the rules to make collisions less likely by making both boats at fault has actually had the opposite effect.


Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 4:02pm

getting back to the topic

doesany one have any ideas what colour i should paint my international 14 i am thinking black whith yellow warning strips

blue with a lightening bolt

pink(i have a pink harness)

or floressent orange

oh an does any one know wher i can get silver paint cause that would look soo good( and blind the competitiors)



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Posted By: sailor girl
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 4:50pm
blue with a lightnening bolt in silver that would be cool!

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Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 5:49pm

i thought that but what happens if i get damage( have already broken one mast and a kevlar main)

i suppose that it would look good though

but what bout a silver boat that have never been done before

 



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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 6:11pm
Originally posted by olly_love

getting back to the topic



oh an does any one know wher i can get silver paint cause that would look soo good( and blind the competitiors)



You can use the better quality custom car paints on dry sailed race boats. Last as well, many more colours and cheaper. The main downside is they are supposed to chip more easily.


Posted By: sailor girl
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 6:14pm
the closet to silver boat i've seen is, a small yacht completly covered in tiny mirrors (like a mozaic), it was sooooooooooooooo cool!

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Posted By: James Bell
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 6:39pm

In the Laser 4000s the boat colour does seem to depend on the year. The early ones were mostly red or blue, and it seems the ones with sail numbers around 4400 to 4450 (built 1998 ish), like mine (4408) tend to be purple/white.

At one point we ended up with four at our club that were all purple/white (4408, 4402, 4424, 4437)! Most annoying when someone said "I saw you capsize" and it was one of the other boats



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Posted By: *GM*
Date Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 6:51pm
Originally posted by olly_love

 

but what bout a silver boat that have never been done before

 

http://www.geocities.com/stealthmarine2002/stealth_marine_F16_beam_landing.jpg - There's nothing new in this world!    You used to be able to get the Stealth F16 with metallic silver gelcoat.  Don't know if they ever actually sold one but it was on the options list at an extra Ģ1K I think. 

 



Posted By: Stefan Lloyd
Date Posted: 20 Jan 05 at 8:27am

[QUOTE=olly_love]but what bout a silver boat that have never been done before/QUOTE]

Yes it has. There was a silver-painted yacht racing in the racing 15 years ago.



Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 20 Jan 05 at 11:09am

i think that i will do a good paint job and also do the rudder and mast

have you got any pics of silver boats

sailior girl have you got a pic of the yacht with the mirrors

 



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Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 20 Jan 05 at 12:50pm

Trouble is; the shinier the paint the more the imperfections in the hull stand out.

As for grey RS400's mine was grey and it was RS415 (or 15 in any normal fleet) so I guess it's a recurring theme.



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Posted By: sailor girl
Date Posted: 20 Jan 05 at 4:34pm
olly_love.....Sorry no, it sailed past me in the summer, was totaly amazing though!

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Posted By: bISOtted
Date Posted: 01 Feb 05 at 6:20pm
i saw a silver hulled contender at their italian nationals last year on lake garda it was so shiny you could see your face in it.

i think the bloke who owned it spent half the time polishing it!!


Posted By: neil 4450
Date Posted: 01 Feb 05 at 6:53pm
[QUOTE=Calum_Reid]The inside of the boats changed colour from dove grey to m


Posted By: neil 4450
Date Posted: 01 Feb 05 at 6:55pm
[dont get a slow 400 get a fast 4000


Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 08 Mar 05 at 7:00pm

Crewed a 400 on Sunday.  It reminded me how good it is.  We didn't get a very good start but were free to tack off from the fleet and went into the lead, soon caught by a 800 which went on to win.  We were piped by another on the final beat due to missing a big shift on one side of the lake.  It was hard work, I guess the wind was about a 4 since the 800 was twin wiring downwind.

There was less wind in the afternoon and we had one of those moments at the leeward mark with boats converging from all directions which unsettled our gybe and we went for a swim.  The water was freezing - I could feel it soaking in through the zip down my back as I dragged the spinnaker back into the chute.  That rather took the fight out of us and we finished 13th out of about 18.

I was completely tired out when I got home - not used to sitting out quite that hard in the 4000!



Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 08 Mar 05 at 7:08pm

lol sounds fun redback, and on the silver boat topic yeah it definalty has been done before we even had a cool semi silver boat in cadets took bout 6months to work out if it was silver or grey as it changed depending on waht direction you looked at it from.

And using car paints would be sooooo cool if you could use the ones that changed colour depending on the direction you looked at them from. - I think one colour is called mermaid, ironic...



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Posted By: sailorguy
Date Posted: 08 Mar 05 at 7:34pm
trouble with a mirrored boat is that the mirrors would have to be all on the inside for them to be any use to you and then it would be so hard to pick anything up.

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Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 08 Mar 05 at 10:07pm
that would be serisusly weird having a mirrored surface on the inside of the boat.

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Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 08 Mar 05 at 10:42pm
I think all foredecks should be painted mat black - that way they get hot and the rising thermals will keep the spinnaker full even in the lightest breezes.


Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 09 Mar 05 at 12:14am
Hmm, even it it was possible, I'm not sure it would get you anywhere though... Any thoughts on that one?

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Posted By: Phil eltringham
Date Posted: 09 Mar 05 at 12:05pm
might work, woth a try.  Redback are you doing the hamble warming pan this weekend?

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Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 09 Mar 05 at 12:09pm
No, I'm getting the boat sorted in preparation for a season on the Medway.  I'm BBSC Race Officer for their Windsurfer Open on Saturday.


Posted By: sailorguy
Date Posted: 09 Mar 05 at 4:01pm
does that count as illegal propulsion?!

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Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 10 Mar 05 at 11:49am
I cant realy think so, its just a byproduct of the colour of the boat.

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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 11 Mar 05 at 3:16pm
i dont think so but who would wont a black for deck anyway.  i dont actually know if it would work propily anyway?

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Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 11 Mar 05 at 3:25pm
chance is it wouldnt.

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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 11 Mar 05 at 3:30pm
if it was going to work the sun would have to be supper hot and anyway who wants to stand on a boiling hot deck?

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Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 11 Mar 05 at 3:38pm
Yeah also as soon as the boat started moving it would cancel out the uplift form the deck wind. not good.

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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 11 Mar 05 at 3:40pm

yer would you go anywere then?



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Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 12 Mar 05 at 6:00pm
the best hull colour for a boat has to be red, my laser's red

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Posted By: James Bell
Date Posted: 12 Mar 05 at 6:06pm

My father once came up with the bizarre race winning tactic of painting each side of his boat a different colour, in a bid to outfox the other competitors and possibly the race officer. He painted one side of his Scorpion green, the other side red, and the bottom was half white and half blue!



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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 12 Mar 05 at 6:28pm
so how did that make him win races

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Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 12 Mar 05 at 7:19pm
Please tell me that he got the green and red the right way round.

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Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 12 Mar 05 at 7:33pm
when my mum started sailing she used to ware port and starboard socks!!!

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Posted By: sailorguy
Date Posted: 12 Mar 05 at 8:33pm

if he was over the start line, it might confuse the race officer if it was different colours on different sides!



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Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 12 Mar 05 at 8:38pm
Jon yes i think red lasers look good- my dads is red. The royal blue topper looks best i reckon (what i've got)

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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 12 Mar 05 at 9:02pm
yer so the two colour thing is a bit crap!!  so harry what ever you have got is best yer!!

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Posted By: James Bell
Date Posted: 12 Mar 05 at 9:46pm

Yeah the idea was to confuse the race officer ('it's the red, no green boat which is over line / hit that mark' etc etc), as well confusing the other competitors ('hahaha the white scorpion has capsized', or we seem to have lost the red scorpion (when it's actually on the other tack and now green etc).

Can't remember if he got the colours the right way round, I think so but it was a long time ago. I have seen others stick red/green tape to their boom to remember port/s'board!



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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 12 Mar 05 at 10:05pm
i dont think the red and green thing would work on the competetos cos they will walk around the boat park and see that the boat is red and green but the race officals might just be dumb enoth to fool them !!!

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Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 12 Mar 05 at 10:27pm
Nah it can confuse the competitors, we have a red/green cadet and it did manage to confuse my crew at one point.

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Posted By: ianwat2212
Date Posted: 12 Mar 05 at 10:43pm
We once taped our names onto the boom of our 29er in a failed attempt to look more proffesional, and took to refering to the tacks by our names (I was port btw), that certainly confused a few ppl!

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Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 13 Mar 05 at 7:18am

i can't keep up with any of the threds anymore, there moving like crazy, so this is a little way back,

Originally posted by Harry44981!

Jon yes i think red lasers look good- my dads is red. The royal blue topper looks best i reckon (what i've got)

harry the royal blue toppers look best by far, red is just common, my brothers topper is royal blue



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Posted By: ianwat2212
Date Posted: 13 Mar 05 at 9:46am
Blue looks good when new,but it fades more than red. My topper was red, but looked v. good for it's age.

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Posted By: sailorguy
Date Posted: 13 Mar 05 at 1:42pm
my laser 2 is purple and called 2SOX. ramdom eh?

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Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 13 Mar 05 at 8:37pm
Yeh i like royal blue- all new boats are red or royal blue, both look good i think, now there are sail colours to match each one, not like the random colours of past years.

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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 13 Mar 05 at 9:28pm

Yeah i reckon blue looks nice but i reckon red looks gd aswell (thats what i got) !

Harry i only realised that the regional travellers started in April a few days ago....gd hopefully i can do the whole circuit then...........and as many sunsail things as pos



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Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 11:16am

Originally posted by KnightMare

Please tell me that he got the green and red the right way round.

Me and my Brother both have problems remembering right from left but no problem remembering port from starboard. It always makes for interesting navigation in the car.



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Posted By: Lucy Lee
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 11:25am

Oh, good. I'm not the only one with an isolated left-right problem. We have to use 'this way' and 'that way' with hand signals when I'm in the car. i've also been banned from giving intructions over the phone as well since some dinner guests got lost in 1999 (last heard of heading North from Loch Gilphead).

Like you Matt, I've never suffered with port-starboard problems!



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Posted By: KnightMare
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 4:24pm
Yeah i have the same left right problems, this side and that side has frequently been used in my boat.

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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 4:37pm
On my boom i have stickers to make sure i'm right to tell me if im on starboard or port tack so i can make sure that i do have right of way and arent going to yell starboard for no reason !

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Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 5:13pm
Ever done it anyway to surprise someone? You should now and then just to keep people on their toes - and the look on their faces is usually priceless

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Posted By: Brian
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 5:40pm
hmm,i know some people who shout "starburst" !

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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 6:54pm

lol that could be interesting!!!



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Posted By: sailor.jon
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 6:57pm
when i sail wiv my mate miles, when we go into a tack he says
"ready about....ho-lee" 

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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 7:28pm
or you could turn it into chav and they would say:  "come on bro lets go man" 

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Posted By: Spot192
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 7:32pm
my helm often says nothing and just tacks


Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 7:34pm

Yeah mine did that and knocked me off the wire



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Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 7:35pm
that could be fun!!  so when he tacks he just leaves you on the other side?

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Posted By: Wave Rider
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 7:38pm
Lol !

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Posted By: Spot192
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 7:38pm
yes he did that. but we had a libera at a club regatta with about 10 people on the wire, very few have ever been sailing and the helm decided to tack, but told nobody! was a great picture! 10 men on the wrong side trapezing!


Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 7:44pm
lol so were is the picture?

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Posted By: Spot192
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 7:46pm
i donīt know but the "crew" is still sailing together. they often forget that they have to cross the startingline, but they are training!


Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 7:49pm
cool i would love to sail one of them boats!!!!!

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Posted By: Spot192
Date Posted: 14 Mar 05 at 7:51pm
yes woulkd be cool! what do you shout if you are on port side?



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