Peel Ply
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Topic: Peel Ply
Posted By: tgruitt
Subject: Peel Ply
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 2:43pm
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Hi, I need to get a roll of peel ply, about 1 inch wide. I will need about 10 meters. Any idea where I can get this from? I have googled it without much success. I am making tiller extensions btw. Cheers Tom ------------- Needs to sail more... |
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Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 3:15pm
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I got some from http://www.mcmc-uk.com/ - http://www.mcmc-uk.com/ They also do some moderatly skin friendly resins Edit: By this I mean that they are less damaging than other than some other epoxy resin. Gloves Must always be used when working with Irritants like Epoxy! ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: SimonW
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 3:21pm
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Tom - is http://www.lasaero.com/part.php?part=09-15000 - this what you want? Simon |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 3:29pm
I presume thats the same stuff, I only know it's called peel ply! Is the surface tape for absorbing excess resin from making carbon stuff? ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 5:00pm
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Go and walk about town for a while untill you find a fabric shop and ask for dress/suit lining material, then cut/tear your own strips. Its effectively the same material and works in exactly the same way... but its cheeper, easier to get hold off and comes in all sorts of pretty colours! genious! Failing that, as Granite suggested: http://www.mcmc-uk.com/ - http://www.mcmc-uk.com/ would be my first port off call. ------------- |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 5:08pm
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I've had a few rolls off ebay at good prices ------------- |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 5:22pm
What's wrong with wearing gloves? Seriously kids, just wear gloves. Sensitisation is really nasty- you may not even be able to be in the same room as liquid epoxy if it happens. Seriously. Don't gamble- it'll happen pretty suddenly, and without warning. |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 5:27pm
Thats a good idea, the thing is I need a thin roll to make it neat. I guess they would sell that stuff on rolls? I shall look! ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 6:04pm
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Give Mike at Aardvark a shout, he might have some kicking about he would sell you. Or failing that, http://www.carbonology.com//shop_det.asp?pf_id=83&pd_id= 16018&pc_id=3202&sec_id=2116
------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: Granite
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 6:19pm
I normally wear two pairs of Nitrile gloves and sometimes barrier cream when working with epoxy as you can then take one pair off for cleanup but still be protected. However no matter how careful you are it is difficult to guarantee that you will never touch partially cured epoxy on surfaces. The resins that Matrix sell have been recommended to me by someone who suffers from sensitization as not causing problems for him, whereas with normal protection he has problems with other resins. I have found less irritation when sanding laminate made using Sincomin resins than with laminate made using other resins. And I often wear gloves when sanding. Full protection is vital as you say and I probably phrased my initial post incorrectly. ------------- If it doesn't break it's too heavy; if it does it wasn't built right |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 6:33pm
| Often at work I find that thicker gloves, in fact, yer washing up-style "marigolds" (we actually use Marigold brand gloves) are best for the really sticky stuff- nitrile gloves can be easily ripped. |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 6:35pm
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Thanks for all the advice. Great stuff, Cheers! Any ideas where to get heat shrink tape that isnt in lengths of 100m? Thanks ------------- Needs to sail more... |
Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 7:30pm
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i was thinking of making a longer extension for my rs300. i was planning on using copper piping for the mould and putting wax on it so when im done i can heat it up, the wax will melt and i can get the pipe out. i was thinking of using a roll of carbon cloth type material. but what does the peel ply do? and when would you apply it? ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 7:33pm
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I am going to make mine with a copper tube mandrell (22mm) coating it in wax and heating it to get it off. I was going to use carbon/glass sock to slide over the tube, then wet it out. The peel ply goes over the top under tension to squeeze out excess resin and make sure there are no bubbles and give a textured finish to grip onto. Once cured it gets peeled off.
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Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 7:38pm
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a carbon/ glass sock? how thick are these? also, if its only one layer wont it be a bit easy to break? where do you get them? by 'wet it out' i assume you mean cover it all in resin? would mine need to be beefier as it gets whacked on the deck each tack when i cross/ drag/ fall my way to the other side of the boat. ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 8:04pm
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I am going to use one layer of carbon/kevlar sock, then a layer of carbon/glass sock over the top of that, they are fairly thick. The reason I#m using the carbon/glass sock is that it gives a bit of flex which stops it snapping, and you can get it in really funky colours, im making a black and orange one. I'm going to get some sent over from USA, I can't seem to find any over here. Once on the copper pipe, I will cover it with the correct amount of resin and peel ply it. Simple. I think....
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Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 8:06pm
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let me know how it goes so that when i try it once i get some free time i can give it a go myself mabe. ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 8:14pm
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I'm going to make a test one first, something about the size of a N12 tiller extension. I will let you know how it goes and send u a pic!
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 10 Dec 07 at 9:18am
If he gets it wrong, the copper tube will never come out, and then it will be plenty strong enough... ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: friendly_fire
Date Posted: 10 Dec 07 at 9:58am
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how much does it cost to build a tiller extention like this. iv heard that you can buty a cheap fishing rod and it works just as good ------------- when chuck norris does a press up, he doesnt lift himself up he pushes the earth down |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 10 Dec 07 at 10:18am
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CFS are another good supplier for this sort of stuff. 50 mm X 100 meters of peel ply around £20 : http://www.cfsnet.co.uk/cgi-local/sh000001.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2ecfsnet%2eco%2euk%2facatalog%2fWoven_Glassibre_Cloths%2ehtml&WD=peel%20ply&PN=Peel_Ply%2ehtml%23a610#a610 - clicky They will do specific amounts if you ask or you can order over the web if you want. + they operate like a normal retail business and not like anything you normally have to deal with when dealing with the sailing industry ( you know - no one returns your emails, phone calls, they never order it, it doesn't turn up, it's the wrong one, they charge you a different price etc. etc.)   ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 10 Dec 07 at 12:50pm
I have a pair of carbon landing net handles which do the trick nicely.. and for £6.50 each you cant go too far wrong. Compared to a 'real' extension they are definantly more flexy and probibly a lot less durable but ive not had any problems yet and for that price I can afford to carry a spare. For a guide to all the various tiller extension options available (including a couple that should never be attempted again except in very dire circumstances) and a quick description of how to build your own, see below... http://www.sailingsource.com/cherub/test/doku.php/tech/tiller_extension - CHERUB WEBSITE LINK ------------- |