When the weather is to bad to sail.
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Topic: When the weather is to bad to sail.
Posted By: hollandsd
Subject: When the weather is to bad to sail.
Date Posted: 02 Dec 07 at 10:01pm
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Does anyone have any ideas what to do when the weather gets bad, that is cheap and relatively easy to learn, for example when the sea gets rough and windy, that can keep me on the water?? D.Hollands B14 709 ------------- Laser 184084 Tasar 3501 RS600 698 RS600 782 |
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Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 02 Dec 07 at 10:09pm
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Windsurf
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: hollandsd
Date Posted: 02 Dec 07 at 10:10pm
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true, i am working on that, but when its rough, its a little difficult to learn. D.Hollands B14 709 ------------- Laser 184084 Tasar 3501 RS600 698 RS600 782 |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 02 Dec 07 at 10:25pm
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Posted By: hollandsd
Date Posted: 02 Dec 07 at 10:28pm
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Again, thats a good idea but expensive, It needs to be something that can be done if its quite windy, there must be some querky ideas about, lets hear them all. D.Hollands B14 709 ------------- Laser 184084 Tasar 3501 RS600 698 RS600 782 |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 02 Dec 07 at 11:03pm
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Swimming? Sailing? Go to the gym / pub ? ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 02 Dec 07 at 11:07pm
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land sailing. I've done it and it was mental!
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 02 Dec 07 at 11:10pm
kite buggying or just take out an Oppy  my 10 year old was out this weekend!
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Posted By: kanga
Date Posted: 03 Dec 07 at 1:09pm
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improve your heavy weather sailing technique! the expense will either not occur, or go to your insurance company! otherwise, try surfing - thats really cool when its windy - as long as you have waves of course! otherwise, reduce your rig (if applicable) or buy a stable li-lo! |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 03 Dec 07 at 1:47pm
thats what i did last weekend...  broke the boat and insurance dont want to know------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: wetndry
Date Posted: 03 Dec 07 at 1:48pm
| Join a rowing club. |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 03 Dec 07 at 2:03pm
What?! Does it say in you dealo thingy, "thou shalt not sail in wind"? ------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 03 Dec 07 at 5:04pm
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If it's too windy to sail it's gonna be too windy to row ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 03 Dec 07 at 5:16pm
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if its too windy to go sailing which is pretty rare i go windsurfing instead, i tried to learn how to windsurf in light winds and struggled like mad, then went out in a nice force 5 and picked it up in a matter of hours. ------------- |
Posted By: hollandsd
Date Posted: 03 Dec 07 at 5:20pm
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The only problem with that is in an F5 a my club, you get HUGE rolers coming in on the beach the expert windurfers can go out, but a lowly learner like myself, have no hope in hell of learnin when its like that, not so bad on the lake i suppose. D.Hollands B17 709 ------------- Laser 184084 Tasar 3501 RS600 698 RS600 782 |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 03 Dec 07 at 5:53pm
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Windsurfing or kitesurfing is definantly the way forwards when its too windy for sailing. We had gusts over 40knots on saturday and I had an ace 20 minutes getting nailed on a 9m before deciding I was gonna need a smaller kite and heading in for cheesy chips... There was a chap on a 5m with a handfull of polesurfers having a whale of a time. I got this the weekend before... blurry but you get the point...  ------------- |
Posted By: sailor_420
Date Posted: 03 Dec 07 at 6:00pm
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Buy a cheap laser and use a radial...or just buy a really cheap boat, or could just windsurf, very fun in big winds like the weekend! ------------- |
Posted By: olly_love
Date Posted: 03 Dec 07 at 6:18pm
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get an old kayak. kayaking in waves is amazing ------------- TWO FRANK-Hunter Impala |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 03 Dec 07 at 7:51pm
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Do you need a license to kite surf?
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Jamie600
Date Posted: 03 Dec 07 at 7:53pm
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No you just have to be mental ------------- RS600 1001 |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 03 Dec 07 at 8:02pm
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I want to learn how to kite surf, but I live in london so it seems kind of pointless. I think windsurfing will have to surfice. Ben, how did you learn? I can fly a kite..... ------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 03 Dec 07 at 8:29pm
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I started going down to the beach with a couple of mates who'd been kitesurfing for a while then got myself a cheep land kite to learn to fly depowers (using a bar and a harness instead of handles) As soon as I started to get the hang of it my mates lent me some kit for a session and I went home that night, and started buying my own kit. Ive learnt myself with no official instruction but a lot of support from people who know what there doing. Without that support I wouldnt hesitate to reccomend getting lessons - When things go wrong they tend to go a lot more wrong than they do with windsurfing and you really need to be taught at least the basic safety stuff. Its not often windsurfing in 30knots and waves is made to look boring but a chap cruising past straped to a kite tends to do the trick. ------------- |
Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 03 Dec 07 at 9:32pm
Nope, you just need to be certifiable :P |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 03 Dec 07 at 10:39pm
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I heard somewhere that you do, I forget where now. Turns out it was wrong ------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 04 Dec 07 at 8:33am
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Date Posted: 06 Dec 07 at 5:23pm
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Posted By: friendly_fire
Date Posted: 06 Dec 07 at 7:56pm
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windsurfing is the way forward if you want to stay on the water. its reletivly cheap aswell to get into. look on ebay for some bargins especially this time of year when everyone is getting rid of there kit. you can get a really good set up for under £100. good fun too!! have a look on some of the retailer websites first like robin hood water sports (google it). this should give you an idea of what is out thee and the type of kit you want. then ebay all the way if you dont mind collecting it that is. ------------- when chuck norris does a press up, he doesnt lift himself up he pushes the earth down |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 06 Dec 07 at 9:27pm
Under £100!! Link please 
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 06 Dec 07 at 9:41pm
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This year, there's going to be National Windsurfing Week, the first weekend
in May. There'll be loads of opportunities to take "taster" lessons, probably both weekends so a chance to try it out. It is easier nowadays, but as for learning in a few hours in a force five is exactly what you'd expect a Cherub sailor to say. Kitesurfing should only be attempted in the company of experts, there are simply so many things to go wrong and they tend to be fatal. Again, another Cherub rider heading for Natural Selection, I'm sure one day there will be no Cherubs left except in the annual Darwin Award Championships. |
Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 06 Dec 07 at 11:54pm
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'It is easier nowadays, but as for learning in a few hours in a force five is Freindly_fire back me up here please ------------- |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 07 Dec 07 at 1:07am
I thought we'd got past this grumpf? No? Oh well Im well aware of what can go wrong and for the most part (baring exceptional circumstances) how to get myself out of those situations. How many lessons would you suggest are nessicary to make kitesurfing completely safe? The Flexifoil sponsored rider I helped carry up the beach the other week with a knackered leg would probibly tell you its never completely safe... but I can tell you for sure that ive learnt more, and im far more aware of the dangers involved through being surounded by a group of highly knowledgable peers who are always keeping an eye on me than I would be after the recomended weekend lesson and then being let loose on the beach on my own which seems the norm amongst the non-cherub-sailing kitesurfing community. As I noted before: Without that support id not hesitate to recomend lessons. Unfortunately as with a lot of sports you will find muppets who think they have the experiance to master something completely new to them and go out and buy the latest flashiest kit available, only to have it spank them on the first outing and leave them either in A&E, or selling the kit and making excuses. Ive not been to A&E and im not making excuses. Guess it must just be dumb luck then? ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07 Dec 07 at 9:08am
Yep it's total dumb luck. It really is only a matter of time before... You get a sudden wind shift when launching. A line breaks and it's your re-ride. The the bridle wears, snaps and the pulley block becomes disengaged. A muppet has one of the above and becomes engaged with your kite. Then if you're lucky you only end up looking like.... 
So every time you fly, you now thoroughly pre flight.. But then you do that every time already don't you? |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 07 Dec 07 at 9:22am
God. I hope you're not tempting fate with that comment! anyway this what you want when its too wind to sail. Far less hassle than all that string!     and you can windsurf with it if you must... http://www.kitewing.com/video/wwavi.AVI - clicky ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 07 Dec 07 at 10:27am
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WANT ONE! That multiple shot over the snow is amazing. Must be painful if you let go in mid-air, though... ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07 Dec 07 at 11:26am
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It's a Kite wing. Think there was a video posted on fav vid thread a while back. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1uvW-1-R5o&eurl=http://w ww.wingriders.co.uk/?gclid=CK63_rSHlpACFQlBMAodOzQNpQ - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1uvW-1-R5o&eurl=http://w ww.wingriders.co.uk/?gclid=CK63_rSHlpACFQlBMAodOzQNpQ Someone at the club brought a Blo Kart in earlier in the year, we had a blast around the car park. Serious fun |
Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 07 Dec 07 at 11:34am
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looks excellent. I got given a windsurfer a while back - a 7.5sqm sail. Do you think I could adapt it? My dog fancies a sprint along the beach too! Too windy to sail? stay in and watch the Star Wars series on ITV.... |
Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 07 Dec 07 at 1:15pm
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My youngest mounted a windsurf rig on the front of his mountain board. Stupid boy. I have grazed elbows now.
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Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 07 Dec 07 at 1:35pm
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would a skateboard do? (I have elbow and kneepads!) |
Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 07 Dec 07 at 1:40pm
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I'm crap at that as well
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Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 07 Dec 07 at 2:50pm
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They range from £500 to about £800ish plus the water ones are more and the boards are quite expenive. ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 07 Dec 07 at 4:47pm
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True Cap'in Jack... I hope im not tempting fate, and as much as id like to hope accidents will never happen: they will at some point. Im not disputing that at all though. What im disputing is the unprovoked and unfounded accusations that im going to get hurt through sheer stupidity.
All risks, sure... but how are they any more likely to hapen to me than anybody else on the beach? The one thing I can think of that will help in any of those situations is having the experiance to respond properly - Either getting the kite under control, throwing your safety (primary or secondary), or if your safety fails (if for some reason you are tangled in your lines) by reaching for the safety knife. That experiance doesnt come from an instructor: that comes from time on the water and common sense.
Every time I run my lines out I keep an eye out for any wear and chaffing. I also like to take care of my kit so il give it a hose down and give the pulleys and bridle a good check over every couple of sessions whenever I can. If youd like to tell me what im missing then id be happy to learn... ------------- |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 07 Dec 07 at 10:11pm
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You can't live life by a "I might get hert" mentaility.
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08 Dec 07 at 1:14pm
Dude you sail a silly boat with a heart shaped logo and think it's cool, why else would i make that assumption.
You just stay cautious and dont get to cocky is all and like I said its not a question of wether or not you get hurt, its just when and how and wether you're lucky it's not serious. And TT is quite correct, that's me in the pic two days after I got real cocky and thought I knew it all. So take it as a jocular heads up. Bows may have made life appear easier but they can still deliver the death blow from any number of quite ludicrous occurences all whilst your fed the line they're 100% safe, they aint. |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 08 Dec 07 at 3:11pm
Well when you put it like that... Seriously, Thanks for the warning... meby just work a little on your delivery  ------------- |
Posted By: hollandsd
Date Posted: 08 Dec 07 at 5:02pm
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Thanks, thats enough Cherub Bashing now Grumpf, i know where your coming from and i see where isis is coming from too, can we please get back to the subject of what to do when the weather is bad, the Wing thingy looks good. D.Hollands B14 709 ------------- Laser 184084 Tasar 3501 RS600 698 RS600 782 |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08 Dec 07 at 10:52pm
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The wing thing is lame and cumbersome if you want to try one I've got one
up at work. When the weather is bad you should spend time re-inforcing those racks on that washer womans boat, so you dont keep giving us a near heart attack with laughter as you and dumberers feet fly into the air as you pile in. Funniest thing I've seen in years, beats the time your tongue got stuck to the ski lift. |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 9:02am
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Legend ------------- |
Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 09 Dec 07 at 3:05pm
Getting just a bit boring. Mind you, if Grumpf ended up in hospital with 200 stitches as the result of a collision with a Cherub, I can understand his instinctive aversion. Anything with a heart-shaped ornament must make him twitch now. This is a man who suffers every year on Valentine's Day, so let's humour him. ------------- http://www.lancingsc.org.uk/index.html - Lancing SC
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Posted By: friendly_fire
Date Posted: 10 Dec 07 at 9:26am
yeah to be fair there is more chance of you learning to windsurf when there is more breeze becaue you can always get a smaller sail. you can feel where the wind is comming from and you can lean against somethink that will hold your weight. there is nothing worse than windsurfing in no breeze. you spend to much effort concentrating on your balance where as if your moving everything goes stable. ross here is a link. before you click it the board does need a clean but nothing a few hours work wont fix. its a great board to get going on. this is the type of board i learnt on. it is bic fittings well it should be and better yet it is £40 buy it now. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/windsurfing-board_W0QQitemZ250195473005QQihZ015QQcategoryZ117167QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/windsurfing-board_W0QQitemZ25019547300 5QQihZ015QQcategoryZ117167QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewI tem ------------- when chuck norris does a press up, he doesnt lift himself up he pushes the earth down |