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Topic: Duffing
Posted By: pondscum
Subject: Duffing
Date Posted: 18 Nov 07 at 7:57pm

cup with duffer on it

So let's have some sailing duffering....

Today, apart from telling my RS200 crew 'that's the five minute gun ... why is everyone starting' and then getting all the control lines on the Laser intermingled, I came up with a new high in duffing.

I have one of those new metal clew sleeves on my Laser and every month or so, spray it with PFTE lubricant to allow it to move freely; however yesterday when I sprayed it, I did it over the deck.

BIG mistake in a gusty, swingy Force 4-6. I had no grip on the nice slippy boat deck and fell in whenever I needed to tack in a hurry.

Luckily the block fitting at the end of the boom broke and put me out of my misery as I ahd to retire

Any other sailing duffers out there?




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Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 18 Nov 07 at 9:17pm

 

been there, done that. except was sailing a gp14 and BOTH me and my helm fell about. was frustrating but highly amusing for the commitee (sp?). we saw the funny side aswell.

toady having so much fun screaming alone in my rs300 that i never heard the 5,4 or 1minute

saw the single flag up and assumed it was the 5minute. luckily i was reasonably cloase to the line though. . got nailed anyway due to the f5 and me being about 2stone underweight. .

tom



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Landlocked in Africa
RS300 - 410
Firefly F517 - Nutshell
Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse


Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 18 Nov 07 at 9:51pm
Well, there was the time I was race officering and I started the first fleet after four minutes instead of five...
And the time at southport I noticed the chemical light on the leeward shroud was swinging about, and then noticed the shroud had alwo become detached (well duh!). And then when we tacked round the mark the pin on the other side fell out. So we ended up sailing to the pitstop with me holding both shrouds....


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Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard"
Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch"
Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air"
Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile"


Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 19 Nov 07 at 11:14am
still can't beat that feeling at the top mark... goes a little something like this:

....... "pole up".... "hoist" ....."come on get it trimmed (helm)"......flap flap..... (crew/helm) "bXXXXXXXks got the kit rigged up upside down!!!!"..... (everyone anywhere near you on the course) "Ha Ha Ha"


as you hear the laughter cross the water towards you, you question again the wisdom of that last drink(s) on Saturday night, the throbbing in your temples.... and also bimbling out to the start without doing a quick check hoist & drop!


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Posted By: Rob.e
Date Posted: 19 Nov 07 at 12:43pm
My crew dived over the side of the 200 last week, just as the one minute gun went: many people said they didn't blame him.....

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Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 19 Nov 07 at 1:59pm

A couple of weeks ago, at a TT Race, we had started the sequence and were gently making way in about 15kts of wind, no urgency - we were where we wanted to be. 

Wind veers by about 45 degrees as we are hit by a gust. 

I am in the water and my helm is at the bottom of the boad blood running down his head - teaching me some new words

He gets the boat sorted out and picks me up.  My first words "you have 2 minutes and 10 seconds to sort yourself out".

Blinding start as everyone else is looking open mouthed at us - helm now has a red boyancy aid (it was yellow).  It was two days later when the bruise came out on my arm that we figured out how I ended up in the water



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When you find a big kettle of crazy it's probably best not to stir it - Pointy Haired Boss

Crew on 505 8780



Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 19 Nov 07 at 6:18pm

hmmm, which tale from my first few outings in a 600 is least embarassing?

i think the one on the day of the topper open meeting. i was rigged and ready to go when all these toppers were hanging about waiting and it was a perfect day, sunny, wind SE 10-15 knots, perfect. i was itching to go sailin even though there wasn't really enough water. oh well sod that, who needs water? so i wiggle my way through in between all these toppers to the slip way go down the sip and have to beat out the haven. okay this shouldn't be too hard. ive had usual escort of about 3 people to get me off the slip way, set off out the have, get to the far side, tack, clear the wave screen think okay ive just about got enough speed to t.. CRUNCH! daggerboard on the bottom, run in to the boat, luff up, uncleat the rudder, pull up some dagger board and the boat promptly capsizes. please remember at this point the audience, about 30 topper sailors and associated parents, siblings and dogs all lined up along the wall, sniggering. thinking oh well this isnt too bad, ill just walk the boat upwind a bit, right it and go away. so i get to the bow, im only waist deep in water and start walking, at which point everyone has given up any pretence of discreetness and are outright laughing. oh well i think, ive beensailing a 600, ive lost all sense of dignity what with my 50 000 odd capsizes in the last 2 weekends.

lesson to be learnt: if an open meeting's on let everyone else lanch first, that way your only entertainment for the parents.



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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
Also International 14, 1318


Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 19 Nov 07 at 6:39pm
I did once fall backwards out of a GP. We were in the top three at the mark too...

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Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard"
Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch"
Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air"
Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile"


Posted By: Jamie600
Date Posted: 19 Nov 07 at 7:34pm

 

I sailed two races at a 600 open, when we launched it was really windy so I raked the rig back, but the wind dropped to almost nothing for the third race. I tried to adjust the rake on the water by using the trapeze as a temporary shroud, something I have done a few times before in worse conditions, but for some reason I slipped and lost the rig over the side!

Luckily it was recovered and there was no damage to the boat other than a few nicks in the progrip, but the rest of the races were abandoned so no discard! And to add insult to injury I was done for speeding on the way home....



Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 19 Nov 07 at 7:34pm

A while back we were going downwind with the kite up trotting along quite nicely Helm decided we needed to gybe, so off we went. It was a lovely gybe, except that I completely missed the trapezee handle and promptly ran straight off the side of the boat with the kite sheet in my hand! When my head came back above water my helm was standing on the centreboard giving a little verbal abuse. I count myself lucky though because he couldn't quite reach me to push me back under. We went from 1st to 5th in the time it took us to get the damn boat back up!

 

I also once sprayed industrial silicon on our centreboard to help it go up or down. As you can imagine the resulting chaos on the next capsize was great fun I went straight off the end as my helm followed me!

 



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Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 19 Nov 07 at 8:09pm

Originally posted by Lukepiewalker

I did once fall backwards out of a GP. We were in the top three at the mark too...

i can top that! in one of my early outings in the 600 i was reaching along sitting at the back f the rack, i thought i was hooked on so as a gust came through i could move out and back. it was such a good pla. soon enough a gust came through, i bore away down a wave moved out and back and very casually walked off the back of my boat! the best bit was watching the boat sail off without me for about3 seconds before falling over. 3 seconds in a 600 = a bloody long swim though.



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600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
Also International 14, 1318


Posted By: MerlinMags
Date Posted: 20 Nov 07 at 9:51am
Don't ever lift your rudder up to clear off some weed if you are near to lots of moored yachts....and a gust hits....

Had to take the crew to A&E to have his mashed thumb sorted out. We still don't know how it got between the colliding gunwhales.

Still feel like a twit for doing that.


Posted By: Graham T
Date Posted: 20 Nov 07 at 12:15pm
Gybing the Osprey with the spi pole stowed along the boom when the end inserted itself in the shoulder strap of my BA and ejected me from the boat. Crew looking the other way didn't notice I was gone and was being very vocal about the course I was steering

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Osprey 55 "Tebutinnang"
Osprey 1245 "Two Bob Bit"
Miracle 1358 "Thumper"


Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 20 Nov 07 at 1:54pm
Leaving a bottle of Sun Cream in the bottom of a 2000 on the first day of the nationals and have it burst leading to a full on ice rink for the whole week even after about 1000 washes with a hose.

Also last year the day after we had a freshers department christmas night out we decided it was a good day to go to largs for a blast in the 2 RS 200's Mr. Noble has access too. Chris and one other had headed down earlier and were to pick us up from the largs to cumbrae ferry terminal in a rib. When we arrive at the ferry terminal we see a sign that says "Ferry cancelled due to adverse weather". Ben (Isis) and I look at each other and are both thinking the same thing "Breeze On!".
Anyway after a bit of a sail with another dude. Ben hopped into the boat and we headed off upwind. It was windy but it was going well and all seemed simple and stable compared to the last time we had sailed together in largs (our first time sailing together. it was in a cherub and it was as windy). When we bore off and shot off downwind with the heavily loaded rib struggling to keep up. I say lets gybe so ben gets set says ok "gybing". I gybe kite cross boat and look back to see ben running accross boat reaching out for the non-existant trapeeze handle and running clean out the side of the boat. ooooooooooooooooooooops sucks to be Ben who didnt have a dry suit but did have a long swim back to the boat.

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Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 20 Nov 07 at 8:20pm

sailing a 29er with a friend. im helming and call for a tack. he shouts to go so i do. nicely timed, boat stays flat and he hits the wire dead as the battens pop. clips himself on and lets go of the handle and plops into the water when his QR hook comes out. very funny at the time

great stories though, keep them coming please.



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Landlocked in Africa
RS300 - 410
Firefly F517 - Nutshell
Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse


Posted By: pondscum
Date Posted: 22 Nov 07 at 7:32pm

Great stories indeed.

The other side of duffing as (© Gideon Coe) is finding yourself slightly out of touch with the modern world.

Such as finding yourself saying 'Well 400's are too big for our pond'



Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 22 Nov 07 at 7:53pm
Originally posted by Calum_Reid


Also last year the day after we had a freshers department christmas night out we decided it was a good day to go to largs for a blast in the 2 RS 200's Mr. Noble has access too. Chris and one other had headed down earlier and were to pick us up from the largs to cumbrae ferry terminal in a rib. When we arrive at the ferry terminal we see a sign that says "Ferry cancelled due to adverse weather". Ben (Isis) and I look at each other and are both thinking the same thing "Breeze On!".
Anyway after a bit of a sail with another dude. Ben hopped into the boat and we headed off upwind. It was windy but it was going well and all seemed simple and stable compared to the last time we had sailed together in largs (our first time sailing together. it was in a cherub and it was as windy). When we bore off and shot off downwind with the heavily loaded rib struggling to keep up. I say lets gybe so ben gets set says ok "gybing". I gybe kite cross boat and look back to see ben running accross boat reaching out for the non-existant trapeeze handle and running clean out the side of the boat. ooooooooooooooooooooops sucks to be Ben who didnt have a dry suit but did have a long swim back to the boat.


HAHA! I knew that story was going to apear as soon as I saw this thread. In my defence I wasnt actualy reaching for a trapeze... I just wasnt exactly sitting down and finding a toestrap either.
It was worth it for the look on your face when I surfaced though


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Posted By: FireballNeil
Date Posted: 22 Nov 07 at 8:48pm

F3-4 " Draycote Water

Out practicising in the Fireball, dropping kite about 300 yds from wall (for those of you who know Draycote) as I uncleat halyard we gybe accidentally taking my crew off the boat. Leaving myself with kite up approaching wall singlehanded just about planing on a run

Managed to drop kite and do perfect man overboard without saftey bopats even noticing (all though we did get rather close to the wall)



Posted By: rogerd
Date Posted: 23 Nov 07 at 12:40pm

Back in the 70s crewing a sliding seat Hornet with my brother. I had complained the week earlier that the seat was stiff to slide across so he had greased it. A large gust hit and the boat was healing and I lifted my weight off the seat only to find it wasnt there when I put my weight back down. It had slid away to leeward. I fell out to windward and the boat tripped over the seat and capsized. Luckily I held onto the jib sheet so didnt have to far to swim.

Lesson learned dont grease the seat use candle wax.

 



Posted By: winging it
Date Posted: 23 Nov 07 at 9:56pm
way back when I was thin I was crewing a 470 oop in Scotland.  Brand new kite up, blasting along, the helm bore off to avoid another boat I hadn't seen so of course in we went.  We thought we would be clever and bring the boat up with the kite still up - usually feasible, but this time it had swallowed as much water as it could and as we brought the boat up the whole inside of the kite peeled away leaving us  just flying tapes.....

of course, the whole thing was caught on video and of course, us being a) blonde b) female and c) English meant we relived the experience several times over back in the bar in front of the tv....




Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 23 Nov 07 at 11:27pm
I did once get my tiller extension stuck in my buoyancy aid when I had my last National 12. Wouldn't have been so bad but it was a four foot long carbon one (I miss that tiller extension...) so it was a bit of a job to get out of. Still not sure how I managed it...

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Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard"
Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch"
Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air"
Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile"


Posted By: alstorer
Date Posted: 29 Nov 07 at 8:20pm
not me- my ex-helm. Morning of the first days of an event, and with us having had problems with the daggerboard, he decides to do something about with a can of McLube. Mere mortals would spray the slot. He seemed so proud when he told what he'd done.

Luckily, we kept the boat upright.

I don't sail that boat anymore


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 29 Nov 07 at 9:44pm
Cruising round the Norfolk broads in a Cherub (as you do). Spotted a particularly oversize motorboat wiuth about a three story cabin. We were looking at this and laughing about how did it ever get under Potter Heigham Bridge* when they suddenly started laughing at us. We were puzzled about this for about two seconds - then we hit the tree...


*For those who don't know the Norfolk Broads, the medieval bridge at Potter Heigham is notoriously small. Bigger motor cruisers are specifically designed around its dimensions, and the bigger hire boats are required to take a pilot.


Posted By: pondscum
Date Posted: 30 Nov 07 at 2:24pm

Norfolk Broads - top place for duffing.

First time I rented a 28' yacht from the NB Yacht Co in Horning, took it through Potter Heigham. This involves dropping the mast with the big lead counterweight, getting the bridge pilot to take it through, then mooring past the newer road bridge and re-raising the mast.

So tie up on the bank, drop mud weight just to be sure (top duffing) raise mast, decide that we should be able to sail off rather than motor, so untie with normal dinghy crew at helm as I am tweaking the main.

Boat takes off towards the other bank, shout at crew on helm, he can't turn it down river. We are heading towards one of those pretty/naff cabing style cottages with a 6' long bow sprit with a metal tip aimed at owner who is fishing ... try to start engine, someone points out that we still have the mud weight down and dragging, which is causing the lack of steering.

Bowsprit does arc over cottage lawn, dolphin striker (wire under bowsprit) hits bank, we bounce off and carry on our way.

BTW later that day running down Meadow Dyke has to be one of my best sailing experiences - real white knuckle ride as it is narrow and you don't have any room to do anyting except crash into the reads.



Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 30 Nov 07 at 3:06pm
Went for a gybe helming an N12 in quite a lot of breeze, bore away (boat still upright, doing well), eased mainsheet, pointed tiller extension to the other side to get it under the boom, gybed, realised I seemed to have lost the tiller extension somewhere mid gybe so I had a look about. After realising it wasn't attached to the tiller I got a little worried, carried on steering with foot on the tiller wondering where the heck the extension had gone. I found it, stuck between the foot of the main and the boom near the clew dangling over the side. oops.

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Needs to sail more...


Posted By: Fin.
Date Posted: 30 Nov 07 at 3:26pm

RS200 with (very-new-to-sailing, just finished sail-training course) crew on lake for Saturday morning  race.

Had delegated  securing  of inspection hatch and  bung and  mounting of rudder, while I darted in for a quick No.1(wee) to rid body of beer wastage from night before.

Start race, good position,  but  no speed.  Top of lake way behind  the other 200s.

Boat very sluggish.   annoyed and  vexed....

Few  minutes  later,  water  coming over the stern!  no longer  annoyed but somewhat alarmed !

Headed straight for the slip with boat increasingly sitting lower in the water.

PROBLEM -  bung in stern missing!!!!

Took full 10 minutes to drain the boat with boat semi sitting on trolley on the slip.

Very embrassing.

Crew devasted (but not their fault.... should've checked everything myself).

 



Posted By: Fin.
Date Posted: 30 Nov 07 at 3:52pm

Here's one........ used to sail a boat which was  stored in club stores (eons ago).

local regatta  - mounted mast and secured shrouds (as per usual).

Set off  up 1st leg in first race. sailing  well. Call and intiated the tack.   Lean out and mast fell down !!!!!!   straight over the side - Bugger!!!

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Some little S**T  had removed a  split-ring from the shroud pin - had left the boat on beach unguarded infront of  local youth squad while away checking sailing  instructions. At the time of  launching  couldn't figure why they were looking on with so much interest.... (was it because the boat wasn't a  420 ? , no!) . I knew something had happened but  couldn;t figure at launch - soon found out!

MORAL -  always secure your split rings with tape (I didn't use tape at the time)

 




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