carbon foot print
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Topic: carbon foot print
Posted By: mike ellis
Subject: carbon foot print
Date Posted: 13 Nov 07 at 7:44pm
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all the eco freindly tree huggers out there seem to be going on about reducing your carbon foot print. now im not entirely sure what this means but what i want to know is how much does sailing a cherub or international moth (or any other lightweight carbon class that breaks a lot) effect your carbon foot print compared to say sailing and maintaining a non carbon boat e.g laser or GP 14 say? as an afterthought, do wooden boats have more of an effect than carbon boats on your carbon foot print? ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 13 Nov 07 at 8:05pm
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Depends, do you wear Odour eaters??
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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 14 Nov 07 at 9:45am
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Creating Carbon Cloth requires extreme amounts of energy. Glass slightly less. Wood absorbs Co2 whilst it is growing. And this is locked into the wood but the same amount it took in is released when, say you burn it. So it is Carbon Neutral. But there are plenty of processes that it goes through before boat builders use it, like Lamination, and a lot of it is from unsustainable forestry, esp if it's hardwood. So when you then put all the other energy uses of transport, chemical production, negative habitat effects etc I can't see that there would be much of a difference between any of them. But this is just a guess. Frankly sailing isn't a very eco, all be it more eco than say power boat racing. To answer the question though. I would of thought after you do a very long calculation a smaller boat ie. Cherub or Int Moth that used less materials in the first place, that was light so it took less energy to transport and lasted longer would end up being fairly competitive in the who's got the lowest carbon foot print. Having said that you are still probable better of in a wooded Mirror. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 14 Nov 07 at 12:20pm
if you're worried about the trees, pull your boat to the next open event by hand,,,, or perhaps bicycle...
------------- Feeling sorry for vegans since it became the latest fad to claim you are one |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 14 Nov 07 at 12:24pm
Yes you are probable right on both counts!  ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: foaminatthedeck
Date Posted: 15 Nov 07 at 8:18am
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It might be woth thing what materials yours sails are made of I reckon that cotton sail have to better for your carbon foot print that new mylar/arimide things. Not sure that they'd do much for some for the sailing ablity of a plastic fantastic though. ------------- Lark 2170 |
Posted By: MerlinMags
Date Posted: 15 Nov 07 at 10:41am
| As long as you buy secondhand, your purchase is carbon neutral, as you were not responsible for the harvesting of the materials initially. |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 15 Nov 07 at 12:16pm
Not exactly. As long as you leave the boat at the club you purchased it from. You never use your car to drive to the club. You never buy any new parts for it or get the boat repaired/repainted. Having said that we are probably still more environmentally friendly than your average powerboat club..... ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Fin.
Date Posted: 15 Nov 07 at 6:15pm
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Maybe rota-moulded is the way to go to reduce the future of sailing's carbon footprint.... - I am sure some bright spark can think of a way of turning those empty plastic milk bottles I re-cycle into a brand new laser/topper dinghy! Anyhow, I wouldn't be too worried about the carbon footprint of a few moths/cherubs.... think what the footprint of running an America Cup or Volvo70 boat... - carbon boat (going to be bigger & there 's a 2nd boat to train against!) - carbon sails (huge sail area) - carbon masts - logistics of transporting crew and boats around the planet/Europe for pre-cup racing. - steaks, beer and chips for big chunky crew (flown/driven across the world). - All those nasty chemicals for painting/polishing/cleaning boats ropes sals.
and then there are all the super yachts and super-motor boats... lots of fuel/more chemicals etc.... |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 15 Nov 07 at 6:35pm
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i only put this up as a joke.... as i said, i dont really get the whole carbon footprint thing anyway. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: tmoore
Date Posted: 15 Nov 07 at 9:56pm
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i was wondering about this the other day as one particuarly boring priest/vicar person was talking about eco friendliness in morning assembly. I realised one main thing. Global warming is due to increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Take all those carbon atoms, put them into cars. This will make lighter and therefore more efficient cars. So not only are you removing carbon from the atmosphere, you are reducing the carbon output of cars. as for boats, make them all out of carbon so that we use some carbon from the atmosphere. as for when they get old and broken. . . . . . . . well who knows and now some smart arse engineer or similar will come and burst my bubble by telling me im all wrong. tom ------------- Landlocked in Africa RS300 - 410 Firefly F517 - Nutshell Micro Magic RC yacht - Eclipse |
Posted By: ratface
Date Posted: 15 Nov 07 at 11:19pm
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and how are we to get the carbon from the atmosphere im no engineer or whatever but that i can't see how we would do it ------------- http://www.blym.org.uk/ - BLYM http://www.blym.org.uk/hydrs/index.htm - Hertfordshire Sailing team Uk-Cherub 2644 Laser 4000 -4089 |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 15 Nov 07 at 11:34pm
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Trees. We should all go back to sailing wooden boats! ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 18 Nov 07 at 10:56pm
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I was seriously thinking of calling my next Cherub "Carbon Hoofprint" but was worried that towing it behind my Discovery might be a bit un-PC... However, my mate did justify his 4 litre TVR Tuscan as something that emaits CO2 to "feed the trees".... Fair enough! ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 19 Nov 07 at 12:10am
I justify my 320bhp Impreza as I have solar water heating system on my roof. ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |