Modernising old boats
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Category: Dinghy classes
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Topic: Modernising old boats
Posted By: Ross
Subject: Modernising old boats
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 2:02pm
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Just thinking, putting asymmetric kites on old boat designs, feasible?. The 505 is a monster boat. Update the sail shape, twin string asymmetric? A project I'm willing to look into, just for a laugh.
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 2:53pm
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Now where did you get that idea I wonder?
Its already been done. http://www.altoboats.com - http://www.altoboats.com |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 3:06pm
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Its 'doable' but unfortunately that doesnt mean it'll be any good... The fireballs talked about switching to assys a while back and even built a test boat but decided to stick with the pole kite. The alto theory is nice but having seen it up close id rather have a 5oh... especialy with the monster kite. ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 3:06pm
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Rarely a good idea. Its kinda like putting a monster engine in a car designed for a small one: good for a laugh, but the end result is never as good as something designed for the job. Imagine a vintage MG with spoilers airscoops and wings added - wouldn't it make you throw up!
The 505 was a glorious boat in 1950 something, fifteen or twenty years ahead of its time, but turning it into a half ass 49er would be a mess. There are all sorts of aspects of its hull shape that you just wouldn't do like that now. Far better to enjoy it as it is... |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 3:06pm
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Interesting. I glanced at the Alto site when you posted it up in another topic. Didn't realise it was for 505's. Looks like it's aimed at club sailing, cruising about. As far as I can see, the 505 was meant to be a high performance skiff of its era. This design takes that element away.
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 3:07pm
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IMHO a waste of time! I'm all for updating older boats (er, done one!) but leave stuff like 5o5s and Fireballs alone. Subtle development, maybe, but the 5o5 works just fine as it is, and looks fantastic as a single string symmetric dinghy. Even if you did all that work, and you wanted to sail a twin string skiff, sureley you'd still choose an 800/49er over a botched 5o5 anyday? I saw an Alto racing, it just looked all wrong, it seemed slow, and the kite and pole system looked very feeble... ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 3:14pm
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I see where you guys are coming from. Easy to relate the MG analogy. A pimped out MGB would be...interesting. Why do people upgrade old cherubs from symmetrical to asymmetrical rigs? I suppose its because people aren't upgrading boats with 1950's the hull shapes. ------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 3:46pm
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Funny all I saw was a thoroughly efficient hull, that humans could gybe
without falling over (like Olympians at Weymouth in 49ers) that was/is as efficient a planing/none planing combo that would March equally well in light weather whilst still delivering in a strong breeze. That could be sailed equally fast to the corners down wind or deep if the weather doesn't deliver and that has all the hull features I'd much prefer over that Bethwaite Barge that ya'll fawn over because there is nothing sensible to compete with it. Pity the top equipment on the Alto hasn't been presented in as modern a light as could be, pity also they dont respond to emails or they might have had an order.. The other boat that needs an assym makeover with wing-wang option is the 470, then I'de be really tempted. Particularly if it came with cup holders and somewhere to put my pipe slippers and rolled up copy of the yachting times when its breezy. |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 3:47pm
I'd be (rightly) shot if I upgraded this Cherub to a asymmettric etc...
There's a point at which it becomes a) pointless and b) spoils the boat for gain. This is a 1971 built boat. (Photo (c) CVDRA) |
Posted By: SUGmeister
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 3:58pm
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Been tried on a 505...
http://tinyurl.com/2q2aj3 - http://tinyurl.com/2q2aj3 ------------- Simon SUGmeister I wondered why the baseball kept getting bigger. Then it hit me. |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 4:02pm
...and read to the bottom of the article... ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 4:08pm
Seriously. It is so difficult to contain yourself. That's two boys in a boat with a "Love" symbol... Now I just can't be the only one to think it... 
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Posted By: SUGmeister
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 4:10pm
so read my name! Back in 98 there was not a lot of mirth to be had in the 5o class, after this was published, the disclaimer had to be put on a few days later. Shame i've lost the original image, 'twas good! Here's another forgery....  ------------- Simon SUGmeister I wondered why the baseball kept getting bigger. Then it hit me. |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 4:10pm
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Just look at the garmin speed freaks league, you'll understand why cherub sailors sail cherub.
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 5:41pm
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i still dont understand why, looking at speed freaks you would of thought they would want a blaze! ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 5:59pm
There's a certain unhealthy infatuation here and it's not the sailors. Or as the Queen might say: "Honi soit qui mal y pense". |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 6:28pm
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Is the Queen Dyslectic? ------------- |
Posted By: tickler
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 6:57pm
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My father used to say that "Honi soit qui mal y pense" means "It'll never get well if you pick it". But is it not "evil is as evil does"? By the way I have seen quite a number of Laser 2s with assy conversions in boatparks. However I have never seen one sail. |
Posted By: Atum Bom
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 7:10pm
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"Shame on him who thinks evil of it" -------------  B
http://www.uk-cherub.org - www.uk-cherub.org |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 7:37pm
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Laser built the "Laser 2 fun new wave" (catchy name) with a bowsprit before they introduced the L3000. Fun as a play boat, but far slower than the original L2. As for the heart fixation, I'm confused? I have one, you all have them, why not put one on a sail? And most Cherub sailors seem very much in love with their boats, so no problem there, either. It kind of ranks along with giggling every time "sexwax" is mentioned - unless 5 years old, it soon ceases to seem naughty. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 8:32pm
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MR Zogg he is a funny fellow "Sex" wax HE HE, i like playing poo sticks in our river lol ------------- |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 9:29pm
Unless you're a virgin. But lets not get into childish playground insults...or have we already crossed that line?...  ------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 11:36pm
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I depends on how big a modification you are thinking of. Eg. 3000 can now be bought with off the boom sheeting, gnav, much lighter, nicer sails etc. Old dev class boats from early 90s are good candidates for mods. Other boats not really. |