your opinions please
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Topic: your opinions please
Posted By: landlocked
Subject: your opinions please
Date Posted: 09 Sep 07 at 7:19pm
Very gusty short startline and this is the result what do you guys recon is the best way to repair. It is only the skin it does not go into the front tank.  ------------- Cherub 2535 "Eggbert the Nasty" Soon to be for sale PM for Details Cherub 2657 "Slippery When Wet" Don't sail fly Cherub |
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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 09 Sep 07 at 8:03pm
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Ooops! You basicaly need to neatly remove all the outer skin and core surrounding the damage and replace it with new foam/glass (im guessing eggbert is glass?) If the inner skin is naffed too that needs to be reinforced before the new core goes back in.... Theres a more in depth explaination on the cherub website somewhere but thats about the jist of it. If your not sure about doing it yourself (its not too challenging to do, but pretty tough to do neatly and seamlessly) I think theres a class sticky weekend comming up with space for you to bring the boat down and have some more experianced cherrubers lend a hand. ------------- |
Posted By: landlocked
Date Posted: 09 Sep 07 at 8:26pm
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it's wood about 2-3mm ply have had a few suggestions from others at the club but wanted as many options as posibble and then go for the best when is the next sticky weekend might be up for that anyway
------------- Cherub 2535 "Eggbert the Nasty" Soon to be for sale PM for Details Cherub 2657 "Slippery When Wet" Don't sail fly Cherub |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 09 Sep 07 at 8:50pm
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Ah. In that case I cant help im afraid... The next sticky weekend is the 17th and 18th of novemeber in weston super mare. ------------- |
Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 09 Sep 07 at 9:45pm
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This assumes you are right and it is only the outer veneers that are damaged. It looks worse to me but it's hard to tell without seeing the boat in the flesh Remove the paint from the damaged area. Turn the boat on it's side. Take some west 105 / SP 106 get it really warm and saturate the damaged area. You need to get the resin to run into all the little cracks. Once you have done that mix some micro balloons or fibres into what's left and use it to fill the dent. Apply masking tape over the top to hold it in, roll the boat back over and await curage. Then sand back and repain as required. A better but harder way is to use a router to remove a square of the ply 1.5mm deep and glue a piece of 1.5mm ply into the hole. This works well on a flat surface but is very difficult if there are large curves. |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 10 Sep 07 at 1:51am
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Nasty... I'm afraid looking at that I'd be astonished if the inner layer of ply is good. How to approach this depends on whether its above or under the bow tank. Either way I'd take off the damaged layers of ply - no need for a router, you can do this nicely with a stsanley knife, a very sharp chisel, and patience. Take out each successive layer to about 20mm smaller. Presumably its 3 ply: we know the outer layer is no good and I imagine the middle one is too. The inner one you'll see.
Anyway, if we assume that the inner layer is OK then what I'd do is to trim back the middle layer and replace it with a few layers of very thin glass (try a aviation model shop!). Wood might be more elegant, but you need to have a good deal of experience to use it there to get the heights just right. The glass wants to be thick enough to be level or just a tad lower than the outer layer of ply. It must not be higher! Now replace the outer layer. I'd use light plywood from the model shop. Glue in in with epoxy and microballoons. It will end up a bit proud of the main surface I expect, so just sand down flush, then repaint. If the inner skin is broken then you need to deal with that too. If its not too bad, and above the the tank so you have access, then maybe a couple of layers of the light glass on top will be enough. If its in the tank its more trouble. The thing to do is to cut back the ply so you have a hole into the interior. The hole must not be round. Oval about twice as long as high is good. Now make a piece of the very light ply that will cover the hole completely with a good overlap. Drill a hole right in the middle of the ply and put a piece of line through it. This enables you to not lose it! Mark on the inner surface where it should align with the hole, coat the mating surfaces with epoxy/ microballoons/ microfibres, post it through the hole and use the line to pull it into place. Match up the marks so its located right, and rig something up to hold it in place while it cures. When cured remove as much string as possible and then proceed as above. |
Posted By: landlocked
Date Posted: 10 Sep 07 at 9:51pm
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There is no inner layer, this is a hull built in 1978 it is simply a 2.5-3mm (Max) single ply skin no foam no seond layer just one layer of ply. What i'm thinking is to flex the wood along all the cracks and get it knitted together as good as i can, then fit a sheet of ply (same thickness) behind with epoxy and a big fillet at the bottom along the top of the boyancy tank to help it keep the curve which is only very light then sand down from the front and skim with filler and sand down to a smooth surface, then repaint. P.S. the crack go right through. ------------- Cherub 2535 "Eggbert the Nasty" Soon to be for sale PM for Details Cherub 2657 "Slippery When Wet" Don't sail fly Cherub |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 6:36am
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I'm talking about the three layers of veneer that make up the plywood... If you get in there with a sharp chisel you'll find that you can work along the glue lines and treat them as separate layers. There might be five, but it would be very unusual. You'll also find that the cracking and breakup has partially ocurred across the layers.
Yees you could just put a lump of ply behind, but it gives something of a hard spot and isn't that good a job. |
Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 8:45am
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If the crack goes all the way through landlocked, i would just "back some marine ply, to the back of the crack, i would then remove the debrie from the front of the hole sand fill and repaint. ------------- |
Posted By: charlie1019
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 4:38pm
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Bit of car body filler (the green stuff with the fibres in it is best), a bit of paint and it will be as good as new!
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Posted By: Merlinboy
Date Posted: 11 Sep 07 at 5:55pm
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Charlie1019 Fixes EVERYTHING with that green sh*t, it is good stuff but i wouldnt recomend it for a proper job ------------- |