What Boat
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Category: Dinghy classes
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Topic: What Boat
Posted By: Kintore Sailer
Subject: What Boat
Date Posted: 21 Jun 07 at 10:05am
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I am looking to return to sailing having sailed both Enterprises & Lasers. I am looking for a boat which I can sail both on my own and with a crew (Wife, daughter or son). I have been looking at a Laser Vago but am not sure can any one give me some advice. ------------- Kintore Sailer |
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Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 21 Jun 07 at 10:28am
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Here on the forum, you might not get the most unbiased views about the Vago. But to me it tries to be everything anyone would want in a boat. Family sailing, trapeze racer for 2 or singlehanded trapeze boat with spinnaker. ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 21 Jun 07 at 11:32am
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I've sailed the Vago quite a bit and I've got mixed views on it. It can be quite entertaining in a blow, but I don't feel it lives up to the marketing (suprise, suprise). I've always used the jib when singlehanded as I've had issues bearing away after a tack without. I've not seen many people manage to single hand on the wire - mostly it ends up with a broken tiller extension! I also know of a couple of issues with the rudder - the bolts on the pintle seem to have an issue with shearing.
------------- RS800 GBR848 Weston SC |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 21 Jun 07 at 12:26pm
| I guess key questions include where do you sail, how fast do you want to go, do you intend to race, how seriously do you intend to race... |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 21 Jun 07 at 12:44pm
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all the usual as jim said. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 21 Jun 07 at 8:09pm
| ns14 |
Posted By: sailor_420
Date Posted: 21 Jun 07 at 10:14pm
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If you want slow prehaps a Miracle. But for what you may want the Vago may well be the best choice. I have no experience with them personally but there is one at the club thats always beaten by my 420 apart from downwind!
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Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 21 Jun 07 at 10:33pm
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NS14 sails equally well singlehanded or two up. It has very small sails, no spinnaker and no trapeze, so is ideal if your crew is inexperienced. It is also about 5 stone lighter than a Vago and is purpose designed for husband/wife, father/daughter combo's. It is roughly the same speed as a Fireball, so quick for its type, but not rocket fast - quicker tha the Vago though. PM me if your interested. |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 22 Jun 07 at 11:49am
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only trouble is the boats come form new zealand. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Ross
Date Posted: 22 Jun 07 at 12:12pm
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Maybe a laser 2000? Fairly big and sounds ideal to me. You can reef it, race it, cruise and muck about in it. Has a spinny but not sure about a trap.
------------- Ross If you can't carry it, don't sail it! |
Posted By: Smight at BBSC
Date Posted: 22 Jun 07 at 5:11pm
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Yea you can get a trapeze kit for the 2k ------------- RS600 988 |
Posted By: sailor_420
Date Posted: 22 Jun 07 at 5:15pm
| But wouldnt it be hard s/h? if you didnt sail single handed theres also the omega xenon which are great for families. |
Posted By: iwsmithuk
Date Posted: 22 Jun 07 at 5:25pm
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A bit more traditional perhaps..... Firefly? Or a Wanderer? |
Posted By: sailor_420
Date Posted: 22 Jun 07 at 5:26pm
| Firefly isn't that stable for young people, i used to have one and it was very tippy! Possibly as well an old rondar 420 would do the job, they're stable (virtually impossible to capsize) you can pick them up pretty cheap as well! |
Posted By: Chew my RS
Date Posted: 22 Jun 07 at 6:39pm
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Funny, there's one in my garage. |
Posted By: Kintore Sailer
Date Posted: 23 Jun 07 at 10:33am
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Thanks for your replys what you have said has put me off the Vago. What are your thoughts of the RS Vareo or possibly the Topper Vibe or Magno ? ------------- Kintore Sailer |
Posted By: sailor_420
Date Posted: 23 Jun 07 at 1:29pm
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The Vibe is basically a little Xenon, they look good boats they have a small sail area so probably manageable compared to the Vago, the Vareo is another good choice if your mainly sailing by yourself and is also good if someone wants to go for a ride and finally the Magno is an OK boat but it wouldn't be top of my list! ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23 Jun 07 at 6:28pm
| How heavy are you and crew Kintore? also... will you be sailing mainly single handed or with crew...Maybe a 2 hander occasionally single handed (Laser 2 Regatta good for that) or a single hander occasionally with a passenger?? |
Posted By: FRIENDLY SAILER
Date Posted: 24 Jun 07 at 4:27pm
RS vareo is a single hander, RS 500 has same dimensions, is a 2 person boat and is also manageable as a single hander. Compared to vago much better boat, when using only main, it's still easy to bear away (with vago this is indeed difficult). I suggest you try the RS 500 at LDC as it feels more responsive then a laser 2000. I own a RS 500, so I'm a bit biased ------------- friendly sailer |
Posted By: k_kirk
Date Posted: 24 Jun 07 at 5:03pm
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Rotomould vs Polyester... Roto (ie Vago) = heavy but durable - Flexing might be a problem Poly = Light, easily repaired & stiff Think about it when making the choice |
Posted By: DiscoBall
Date Posted: 24 Jun 07 at 8:13pm
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A second hand N12 is a good cheap option. Quite feasible to race one singlehanded with the addition of some jib cleats. Theres a good all plastic one on the class assoc website - N3296 - now.# |