Road pricing
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Topic: Road pricing
Posted By: Black no sugar
Subject: Road pricing
Date Posted: 13 Jan 07 at 7:31pm
I usually never forward anything like that, but I can spot a genuine hare-brained scheme when I see one. The following is, I think, genuine and I've just signed the petition... If it's a scam, I'm impressed!
xxx BnS
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No joke, get signed up and pass it on.
Please read and go on number 10's site, it only takes seconds!!!
Subject: Road Tax This was forwarded to me for signing and then onward transmission - so now its over to you. Please pass this on. It only takes a minute. The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it. The tracking device will cost about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist and £194 for a delivery driver. A non working Mum who used the car to take the kids to school paid £86 in one month. On top of this massive increase in tax, you will be tracked. Somebody will know where you are at all times. They will also know how fast you have been going, so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit you can expect a NIP with your monthly bill. If you care about our freedoms and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please sign the petition on No 10's new website.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/ - http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/ Please pass this on to anyone who owns a car/motorcycle. It affects them.
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Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 13 Jan 07 at 8:12pm
I agree, doesn't look like a scam, i have signed it.
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Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 13 Jan 07 at 8:24pm
Already done, but as i have a random IP generator 
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Posted By: Hobbo
Date Posted: 13 Jan 07 at 9:09pm
I don't think it could ever be introduced- people would jsut flat out refuse.
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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 14 Jan 07 at 12:00am
I don't think it could be implemented in the first place. First of all, the practical aspect of it looks like a logistical nightmare. How would the monitoring be carried out? There would be a need for a complete new infrastructure all over the country to keep constant tracking of millions of cars.
I also don't believe for a minute that a country who makes such a fuss over the introduction of ID cards would readily accept this Big Brother invasion of privacy.
Let's hope this plan gets ditched and truly forgotten, not transformed, derived, extruded and re-heated for second helpings.
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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 14 Jan 07 at 1:17am
Originally posted by Black no sugar
I don't think it could be implemented in the first place. First of all, the practical aspect of it looks like a logistical nightmare. How would the monitoring be carried out? There would be a need for a complete new infrastructure all over the country to keep constant tracking of millions of cars.
I also don't believe for a minute that a country who makes such a fuss over the introduction of ID cards would readily accept this Big Brother invasion of privacy.
Let's hope this plan gets ditched and truly forgotten, not transformed, derived, extruded and re-heated for second helpings.
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Not difficult to do.
GPS+"Black box" in your car. Simple phone interface (via mobile network). Every day/week/month "black box" phones home and reports your "the govt is going bust tax liability" and bingo, you have a new tax.
Hardware is out there, simple to write the code. I'd guess it could be done easily. Will it, nope! I see this as a precursor to something else, as in "scare the crap out of everyone with this proposal, so we (loony brown) can implement something else !
Be afraid of this govt, be very afraid. Be even more afraid if Brown gets into No 10. So glad I have enough points to go to NZ if it all gets too much.....
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Posted By: ianwat2212
Date Posted: 14 Jan 07 at 10:55am
Much as I disagree with the concept of road pricing, the email looks very much like the one described here: http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22749-2541090,00.html - http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22749-2541090,00 .html
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Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 14 Jan 07 at 9:32pm
Oh dear.............
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Posted By: FreshScum
Date Posted: 28 Jan 07 at 4:28pm
Road pricng surely already exists in the form of tax on petrol. I'm sure there must be a difference,(or how would the Gvmnt justify it?!) but I can't see it.
Can anyone help my stupid brain understand please?
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Posted By: phantom_iv
Date Posted: 28 Jan 07 at 5:33pm
Originally posted by FreshScum
Road pricng surely already exists in the form of tax
on petrol. I'm sure there must be a difference,(or how would the Gvmnt
justify it?!) but I can't see it.
Can anyone help my stupid brain understand please? |
Simple. This way the govenment gets to tax us twice for using the roads.
Ooops, we already pay road tax, make that three times :( And that's before
you include congestion charges etc..
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Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 28 Jan 07 at 8:29pm
Can I be cynical and say that petrol doesn't record your movements and speed? Though I believe petrol duty would be reduced according to the proposal (not too far though - I think the EU sets some level, and hence the ending of red diesel for marine use). Obviously, it's far easier and simpler to tax someone with a device monitoring precisely what their car is doing than to tax petrol!
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Posted By: Tessa
Date Posted: 28 Jan 07 at 8:40pm
[QUOTE=Black no sugar]
I don't think it could be implemented in the first place. First of all, the practical aspect of it looks like a logistical nightmare. How would the monitoring be carried out? There would be a need for a complete new infrastructure all over the country to keep constant tracking of millions of cars.
I/QUOTE]
Try this: http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transport/article334686.ece - http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/transport/article334686.ece
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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 29 Jan 07 at 12:30pm
Problem with that petition is that it asks at the end for congestion to be eased by more road building. Can't agree with that either: new/wider roads = more traffic.
But road pricing is a complete nonsense, like ID cards and all the other things trimming our freedom, bit by bit. Did our goverment study in eastern Europe, pre-1989?
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Posted By: redback
Date Posted: 29 Jan 07 at 9:52pm
I don't like it but we've got to reduce some of this congestion - it takes longer to get to the sailing club! Can we all drive small cars please - well space efficient ones. I guess if you have to move half a dozen people a MPV is the right vehicle but to move 2 or 3 or 4 a Golf sized vehicle is big enough surely. OK a Mondeo then but something with a 4ltr engine that still isn't very fast, is built like a truck and handles like a truck doesn't seem right and would make me blush with embarasssment.
I would enjoy a 5litre V12 that does 200 mph though - a bit akin to a Laser 4000 I'd suggest. Mines red too!
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Posted By: phantom_iv
Date Posted: 29 Jan 07 at 10:09pm
Originally posted by Medway Maniac
Problem with that petition is that it asks at the
end for congestion to be eased by more road building. Can't agree with that
either: new/wider roads = more traffic.
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Can't say I agree. The number of cars on the roads has increased hugely in
the last few years, the road capacity hasn't. I'm willing to bet the volume of
traffic on the roads will continue to increase in the absense of a viable
alternative. So as we're going to have more cars anyway, we may as well
construct a road network that's up to the job.
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Posted By: tornado435
Date Posted: 30 Jan 07 at 7:20am
I am more than happy to drive a small Car redback, just don't moan when My Tornado and trailer push it around the motorway and the only way i can stop is by crashing into you
Very tongue in cheek but to do my hobby I need a bigger vehicle. Granted a lot of time I am in it by myself, but thats what I have to do. I pay more in road tax, fuel and insurance for my big van.
If you want to stop congestion get rid of the gippos with their pony traps that seem to have taken over the area around Datchet.
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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 30 Jan 07 at 9:13am
you think you're so funny don't you James
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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 30 Jan 07 at 11:53am
If all the cars on the road that did not have road fund, MOT and Insurance were crushed, there would be plenty of room. THIS IS THE SOLUTION.
Next problem for Prime Minister Scooby please 
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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 30 Jan 07 at 1:20pm
Originally posted by turnturtle
Originally posted by Scooby_simon
Next problem for Prime Minister Scooby please 
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illegal immigrants, integration of eu accession coutries and the rising price of domestic energy... oh yes, and what's this nonsense about not drinking and being in charge of a pleasure boat???
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Points system for people who want to come to the UK (same as Aus/ NZ), politcal asylum granted on similar terms as now; BUT if you then commit an criminal offence and proved guilty you are deported and will never be allowed back in.
Rising price of domestic energy - short term there is none - supply ahd demand, long term really has to be Nuclear.
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Posted By: Fans1024
Date Posted: 30 Jan 07 at 1:52pm
Isle of Man style speed limits - aka limits in build up areas but no speed limits on motorways, dual carriageways etc.
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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 30 Jan 07 at 7:41pm
Originally posted by Scooby_simon
Rising price of domestic energy - short term there is none - supply ahd demand, long term really has to be Nuclear.
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Long term solution to that, and indeed to most things, is here:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/stoppop/ - http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/stoppop/
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14 Feb 07 at 12:31pm
Here's one if you're into big boats or Power boats:-
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Boat-Diesel-Tax/ - http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Boat-Diesel-Tax/
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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 14 Feb 07 at 12:40pm
That's the last one I'll be signing. Motor boat owners should pay to pollute and use up the Earth's resources (and get in the bl***y way) .
The fuel consumption of some of these gin palaces beggars belief.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14 Feb 07 at 1:50pm
.....That apply to Yachties as well?
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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 14 Feb 07 at 1:56pm
Some yachts I've crewed on could have put their sails up earlier 
But in general yachts have less drag and use less fuel for less time. I can't imagine it's going to break any Yachties' bank accounts.
They do get in the way though, especially upwind!
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Posted By: CurlyBen
Date Posted: 14 Feb 07 at 9:14pm
I'm not sure it makes any difference to most motor boats - i'm not an expert but I think most, especially those with outboards, run on petrol anyway. The derogation was only for red diesel, petrol's normal forecourt prices anyway. I think commercial vessels are still eligible to use red diesel, so it's really the yachties who are taking the hit. I agree it's unlikely to make a huge difference, but I'd like to know what the reasoning is - tax on fuel for cars in theory reduces car usage, but that's not likely with yachts and there's no particular reason to anyway. The pollution caused by yachts must be miniscule compared to almost anything else you care to mention, and I can't think of many services the government provide for yachtsmen which wouldn't be provided regardless. If any of the above is just plain wrong I apologise 
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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 14 Feb 07 at 10:52pm
Originally posted by Black no sugar
I usually never forward anything like that,
but I can spot a genuine hare-brained scheme when I see one. The
following is, I think, genuine and I've just signed the
petition... If it's a scam, I'm impressed!
xxx BnS
------------------------------------
No joke, get signed up and pass it on.
Please read and go on number 10's site, it only takes seconds!!!
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Please pass this on. It only takes a minute. The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it. The tracking device will cost about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist and £194 for
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&n bsp; If you care about our freedoms and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please sign the petition on No 10's new website.
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