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Topic: help
Posted By: flat is fast
Subject: help
Date Posted: 07 Dec 06 at 11:16am
hey guys. i was sailing last weekend and i encountered on a few problems. i was wondering if you all could help me. when i was racing the wind was measured at a force 7 so.... going down wind i was only 2 sailing my scorpion and the bow was wanting to bury in all the gusts. my weight was as far back as it could possibly be. what eles could i have done?

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Posted By: Worthy
Date Posted: 07 Dec 06 at 11:23am
Stick the kite up!!

My boat (an F18) is much safer downwind with the kite up no matter how strong the wind is.

At F8 though it is time to have a beer rather than go sailing


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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 07 Dec 06 at 11:37am
agreed!

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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 07 Dec 06 at 11:37am
Agreed if you are running downing hoiking up the kite helps lift the bow and stops submarine moments.......

Paul


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Paul
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Posted By: far canal
Date Posted: 07 Dec 06 at 11:39am
hit your crew and blame them


Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 07 Dec 06 at 11:47am
Depends.....if your crew is the size of me that dont always work......

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Posted By: Jamie
Date Posted: 07 Dec 06 at 2:31pm
Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by jeffers

Depends.....if your crew is the size of me that dont always work......

that's why rooster sell a bullet proof carbon tiller extension- you ain't gonna lose a fight blugeoning someone with one of them!

I beg to differ, In a scorp, fireball and other symetrically rigged boats the crews have a spinaker pole to retaliate with.



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Posted By: flat is fast
Date Posted: 07 Dec 06 at 2:41pm
well actually it was through this that stu and i arnt sailing together any more lol. still gud friends tho jus cnt be near eachother when there are spinni poles and tiller extentions about lol.

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Posted By: owain
Date Posted: 07 Dec 06 at 2:47pm
We used to have that problem in the fireball. Not sure if it will work so well in the scorp, bt try chucking the kite up and going on two broad reaches. Obviously the scorp dosent have trapeze, but when its blowing, my crew raises himself as high as possible on the wire and i steer to keep him out there, tryin to as low as possible, the rough angle to gybe at was when i saw the leward mark appear behind the main. It also reduces the risk of death rolling. This only seems to work when its really blowing, as we can sail lower and we gain by not buring ourselves in the waves. Hope thats of some use.

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Plymouth Uni Sailing Club & Chelmarsh Sailing Club


Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 07 Dec 06 at 3:09pm
Were you letting the jib out in the gusts?

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Posted By: flat is fast
Date Posted: 07 Dec 06 at 3:13pm
the jib was all the way out. i would have put the spinni up but i feared for my life. would it really made that much of a diffrence. my crew only learnt to sail this year so i thourght better of the spinni

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Posted By: owain
Date Posted: 07 Dec 06 at 3:34pm
ye the kite will lift the bow quite alot, it will also keep the boat better balenced

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49er GBR055
Fireball 14291
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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 07 Dec 06 at 4:29pm
rich you big girl!!! Get the kite up!

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Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 07 Dec 06 at 5:22pm

IMHO the boat might be more stable with it up but the problem with popping the kite is usually the popping bit and de-popping bit as it's a lot more unstable with the crew dicking about trying to clip the pole on!

 



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Posted By: ifoxwell
Date Posted: 07 Dec 06 at 6:00pm

I agree. If you can get the kite up it should always go up. Things are always so much easier once its set...

It is just the getting it up and back down thats the dodgy bit. I guess when it gets to the point that you dont think you can get it up (so to speak) you know that you have reached your limit!

Ian



Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 07 Dec 06 at 6:50pm
Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by jeffers

Depends.....if your crew is the size of me that dont always work......

that's why rooster sell a bullet proof carbon tiller extension- you ain't gonna lose a fight blugeoning someone with one of them!



Just one problem...they are attached to the tiller....Crews are mobile (believe me we have provied plenty of spectator sport).

The best way to get your helm back on a trap boat is to gebtly trails your aft foot....nice jet of water right in to the helms face (tried and tested on a Fireball).

Paul


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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 07 Dec 06 at 8:06pm
I seem to remember a certian Mr Christie doing that to me when i helmed his fireball!

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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 08 Dec 06 at 12:25pm
Luckily my helm is either:

1) Not quick enough

or

2) It's so damn windy if he loses control for a second we both swim...

Although he got close once, I ended up doing a 360 pirouette on the end of the wire to much applause from the clubhouse.

Paul


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Paul
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Posted By: flat is fast
Date Posted: 08 Dec 06 at 3:51pm
stu i may be abit of a girl when it comes to puttin the kite up but at least i can drink more than you. what was it again 3 or 4 pints b4 you over the fittest girl in the whole pub

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 08 Dec 06 at 4:03pm
hahaha, you didn't tell us this Stu! Tell us more Rich!

(btw I was crewing for steve (big ginger hair) at the scorp nationals and we seemed to cross you on every leg either just in front or just behind!)


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Posted By: flat is fast
Date Posted: 08 Dec 06 at 4:10pm
well you probibly guessed by now stu and i are pritty gud m8s. i work at asda sadly but every year there are two christmas partys. a general one and a departmental one. i took stu to both but the department one we went to after sailing on a sunday. anyway i think i was on my 4th pint when they called last orders. so me being me went up and bourght like 8 pints between me n stu. mean time stu starts talkin to like the fittest girl ever. as soon as i sat down he puked everywhere. on me but more importantl alll over the skimpy dress that was turning every lads head in the bar. it went all over her chest and you can guess where eles! and way i stud up and called stu a dirty get. i turned round to see his chair empty and a trail of sick going towards the toilets.

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Posted By: Hobbo
Date Posted: 08 Dec 06 at 4:16pm
Originally posted by flat is fast

well you probibly guessed by now stu and i are pritty gud m8s. i work at asda sadly but every year there are two christmas partys. a general one and a departmental one. i took stu to both but the department one we went to after sailing on a sunday. anyway i think i was on my 4th pint when they called last orders. so me being me went up and bourght like 8 pints between me n stu. mean time stu starts talkin to like the fittest girl ever. as soon as i sat down he puked everywhere. on me but more importantl alll over the skimpy dress that was turning every lads head in the bar. it went all over her chest and you can guess where eles! and way i stud up and called stu a dirty get. i turned round to see his chair empty and a trail of sick going towards the toilets.


LMAO -You're a dead man but it was well worth it!


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Posted By: flat is fast
Date Posted: 08 Dec 06 at 4:20pm
oh well me walking him home was payment enough lol.

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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 08 Dec 06 at 5:45pm


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