2 man boat for lightweight crew!
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Topic: 2 man boat for lightweight crew!
Posted By: Gray Daze
Subject: 2 man boat for lightweight crew!
Date Posted: 27 Oct 06 at 12:37pm
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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 27 Oct 06 at 12:51pm
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a 3000 would probibly be a pretty good choice...
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Posted By: English Dave
Date Posted: 27 Oct 06 at 1:29pm
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29er would be perfect for you. Most competitors on the circuit are juniors. Trap for the crew, spinni and the option to upgrade to the XX. Significantly faster than the 3000. ------------- English Dave http://www.ballyholme.com - Ballyholme Yacht Club (You'd think I'd be better at it by now) Hurricane 5.9 SX RS700 |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 27 Oct 06 at 1:40pm
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For racing, reckon you can't go any better than the RS 200 for big fleets. Slightly slower than the 3000 but not by much but with a much more established fleet circuit. Also you'd be racing with a mixture of people and not just youths so may be more appealing as a family boat compared to the 29er. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: sailorguy
Date Posted: 27 Oct 06 at 4:50pm
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laser 2!!! old but still good very fast on 2/3sail reaches cheap good for lightwieghts ------------- RS 500 (twin wire) Laser 157607 Laser 85446 Pico 2136 |
Posted By: Gray Daze
Date Posted: 27 Oct 06 at 7:20pm
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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 27 Oct 06 at 8:03pm
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The 420 feels tippy but doesn't actually capsize, just makes you work hard to keep it bolt upright. I capsized mine once in three years of weekly racing. Whereas I watched an experienced pair of junior sailors go out last Saturday in their new 29'er in a F.4 and capsize more than 10 times! They did improve as they got the feel of it, and with lots of perseverence they should be able to reduce their capsize rate considerably, but the fact remains that the 29'er has a narrow waterline beam so is inherently tippy and will always have you thinking stability when you might occasionally want to be thinking more about tactics etc. The upside is that the 29'er is much quicker than a 420 while it's upright, tho' the 420 is no slouch in a blow (you'll have problems with Wayfarers in lighter winds...) But, predictably, I'm going to plug the 3000. Why not? - I sail one myself because for me it's the most fun I can get with an all--up crew-weight under 20 stone (I don't enjoy capsizing or worrying about capsizing). I really enjoyed my Laser 3000 and found it a good handicap racer so long as there was enough wind to get the crew on the wire, and suitably inspired have now bought a V3000. Check out http://www.3000class.org.uk/ - www.3000class.org.uk/ and take a look at the variety of crews in the photos (shots which also show off the new North sails nicely - a mere £950 a suit of three sails) here: http://www.3000class.org.uk/forum/content.asp?GET_ID=727 - http://www.3000class.org.uk/forum/content.asp?GET_ID=727
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Posted By: Gray Daze
Date Posted: 27 Oct 06 at 8:22pm
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 27 Oct 06 at 8:32pm
Chalk and cheese. The 29er is a sleek light frisky modern boat and the 420 is none of those... Sail both and it will be astonishing if you don't come back with a preference... |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 27 Oct 06 at 8:48pm
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I've just got a 29er and it feels so nice to sail, such smooth speed and handles superbly. Took it out for the first time last week in about 23kts of breeze and fairly big waves and at no point felt overpowered and the hull felt so efficient. Admittedly we were probably a bit heavier than you two at a combined weight of 19 stone but I think you should definitely try one and you might be suitably impressed! ------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: Gray Daze
Date Posted: 27 Oct 06 at 9:00pm
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Posted By: Hobbo
Date Posted: 27 Oct 06 at 10:38pm
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Might be a bit light for one but Fireball's are good boats, symmetrical spinny tho coming out of a 420 i wouldnt have thought you'd consider that a disadvantage?
------------- Contender GBR 362 Osprey 1318 - IVplay SSC |
Posted By: Gray Daze
Date Posted: 27 Oct 06 at 10:53pm
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Posted By: yellowhammer
Date Posted: 27 Oct 06 at 11:20pm
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don't get depressed Grey Days the 3000 deserves a bit of a revival since opening up the class rules ... it's no longer a SMOD. you could pick up a reasonable boat for around £2000 these days, and add the new North sails for £950. you can also change to aft bridle and gnav which vastly improves the feel of the boat:
we have two coaching events each year, but only six opens (2-day events), one a month over the main season, so if you want to be travelling away to series events every other weekend it may not suit you. you get the full age range at events, with small numbers and a range of experience ... enter a 29er event and you'll be in amongst some very competitive youth sailors if it's more important to you to have a managable assy/trap boat with a small sail area, bit underpowered in the light stuff, but fun in a blow rather than being intimidating, you probably couldn't do much better ------------- Laser 3000 @ Leigh & Lowton SC www.3000class.org.uk |
Posted By: Gray Daze
Date Posted: 27 Oct 06 at 11:45pm
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Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 28 Oct 06 at 1:56am
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I guess the weight requirement will prob be similar for 3k & 29'er. As to whether you'll get good enough fpr the '9'er, who knows? Many never reach the relaxed stage with their tippiness, which I gather is why the RYA was going to drop the 29'er as a youth boat until the ISAF chose it... THe 3k is a doddle by comparison, but still great fun - I would never go back to my 420! Where do you sail Gray Daze? |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 28 Oct 06 at 9:38am
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yeah i don't think its the weight issue in the 29er because i felt if
anything slightly underpowered in about 20kts and we're only a stone
heavier than you but it's what you say about the tippyness that worries
me. The 29er did seem quite tippy and it seemed like you have to
be sailing it "in the zone" the whole time and if you make a mistake
like dragging a leeward gunwhale i think it could punish you quite
quickly. So if you wanted something more stable to start off in
then i think a 3000 would be fine.
------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 28 Oct 06 at 11:39am
Dude you are NOT TO SMALL for a Cherub! You may however not want to sail in a development class or capsize a lot or enjoy boat fidderling. But a Cherub is for lightweights and don't let anyone tell you any different. It is ture that we have some class members that are a bit heavy for the boat coz they like sailing it. But LIGHT IS FAST. Unlike the 12 foot skiff where FAT IS FAST. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 28 Oct 06 at 11:43am
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that's what they'll always tell you but i don't think the issue here is
weight. You say you want a boat that you can sail fast easily and
not have to worry about capsizing when it gets dusty and in all
fairness a cherub is a hard boat to sail at the best of times and i
think could seriously beat you up if you went wrong....i think its got
to be the 3000
------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: Gray Daze
Date Posted: 28 Oct 06 at 12:47pm
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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 28 Oct 06 at 1:54pm
RS 200 Comet Zero? RS Feva XL? ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Gray Daze
Date Posted: 28 Oct 06 at 2:47pm
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Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 28 Oct 06 at 3:02pm
Go and sail a RS 200. They are not tippy. I sailed one when they
were lauched and my one memory was how stable it was. You sail a Firefly? An RS200 would be fine. ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Medway Maniac
Date Posted: 28 Oct 06 at 7:36pm
Just looked up West Kirby SC. I see you race on a marine lake, there are no trapeze classes and the fastest class is the Lark, presumably because the water is too small for trapeze/faster boats? So, sounds like you need a Lark. They don't need that much crew weight and you could presumably easily get a demo by just asking the fleet captain?
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Posted By: Gray Daze
Date Posted: 29 Oct 06 at 1:54pm
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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 29 Oct 06 at 3:14pm
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new around 6000. second hand anywhere between 3500 - 5000 ------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: Adamoki
Date Posted: 29 Oct 06 at 8:09pm
------------- 420's all the way! |
Posted By: Gray Daze
Date Posted: 29 Oct 06 at 9:05pm
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Posted By: yellowhammer
Date Posted: 29 Oct 06 at 11:52pm
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sounds like the 29er's worth a go if you're after opens, even if only to get it out of your system if you do find it's too big a jump, or WKSC's not really suitable, if you buy this time of year (and haggle) you might even make a profit when it comes to selling it and buying a 3000 ------------- Laser 3000 @ Leigh & Lowton SC www.3000class.org.uk |