Originally posted by Port End Flyer I have heard mutterings that at a recent event on the south coast the F18’s were made to sign on with a SCHRS rating of 1.00  any truth in it ScoobySi or is it just that - a rumour?

I've no info on that.

Currently the SCHRS website shows 1.01.   As I have said before we are working on changes to the SCHRS formula and as a result some handicaps will change.

That’s the first place I looked and the last news update was on  18^th Jan 2004 and you are not the UK Rep, so thought I had better ask if I wanted a prompt reply!

Well, we are sorting out the rule first before the website (I have no access or control over the website anyway which is a shame).   

Originally posted by Port End Flyer I have heard mutterings that at a recent event on the south coast the F18’s were made to sign on with a SCHRS rating of 1.00  any truth in it ScoobySi or is it just that - a rumour?

It appears you are right Port End Flyer!

http://www.weston.org.uk/site/news/archive/2006/FBR0806.htm - http://www.weston.org.uk/site/news/archive/2006/FBR0806.htm

I've also heard from another SX sailor that 1.00 was used at Eastbourne Sovereign SC Cat Open.

I wonder what they will be using at the Forts this weekend?

I noticed that a few weeks ago. I also noticed that one SX was listed at 1 and another at 1.01.

How does the latest police caution go?

………not mentioning something that you later rely on in court…….

 Good  

Originally posted by Port End Flyer I have heard mutterings that at a recent event on the south coast the F18’s were made to sign on with a SCHRS rating of 1.00  any truth in it ScoobySi or is it just that - a rumour?

The French seem to have gone that way too; this from the International A-Class forum in April 06.

http://p105.ezboard.com/faclasscatamaranforumfrm2.showMessage?topicID=78.topic - http://p105.ezboard.com/faclasscatamaranforumfrm2.showMessag e?topicID=78.topic

Originally posted by sailwave Originally posted by Port End Flyer I have heard mutterings that at a recent event on the south coast the F18’s were made to sign on with a SCHRS rating of 1.00  any truth in it ScoobySi or is it just that - a rumour? The French seem to have gone that way too; this from the International A-Class forum in April 06. Some modest news: the French official sailing organisation (FFV), formally an adopter of the ISAF-rating system, has issued a new list of ratings on its own website  http://www.ffvoile.net/ffv/public/voile_legere1/cata/ratings.pdf - http://www.ffvoile.net/ffv/public/voile_legere1/cata/ratings .pdf Therein, the A-cat is mentioned as needing an individual rating but... the F18 rating has gone down from 101 to 100. This means that some recognition is slowly dripping into this rating system that the F18 is underrated and that the gap with the other classes needed a (though modest) adjustment. The justification for the adjustment is attributed to the use of the self-tacking jib so I read somewhere... Interesting point now is that the ISAF website does not (yet) announce a new rating list for 2006. It becomes even more interesting if we know that Olivier Bovyn is not only the Chairman of the ISAF Multihull Committee (responsible for the ISAF rating) but equally member of the Board of the French sailing association. And both associations are now using different ratings? Any answers available somewhere? By the way, I e-mailed the person as suggested above, no answer till now... http://p105.ezboard.com/faclasscatamaranforumfrm2.showMessage?topicID=78.topic - http://p105.ezboard.com/faclasscatamaranforumfrm2.showMessag e?topicID=78.topic

There are NO changes to the SCHRS rating rule for 2006. 

The changes that we are working on will be proposed to the ISAF sometime this autumn and then (assuming the approve them) will be implemented sometime (hopefully early) in 2007.

Simon, Just fishing here, With the proposed new changes in the rule are you seeing big differences to all the boats i.e. new numbers for everybody or only for a few that are not standard ratio boats?

Every boat will get a new number as we are changing a basic element of the rule.

However; no boats are moving a massive amount in % terms from the current numbers.  We are talking a few % max.

That could make a Tornado 0.89 or 0.97 on the current SCHRS system – interesting!

It could; Yes.  But do you think it will?

Just Jesting i think the T is pretty much spot on at .94 , if you look at the 3 main  long distance races this year  ECPR Tornado Won, Fast Cat Spitfire Won, Forts race F18 won - Arguably 3 of the most popular cat classes all coming out level at the end of the day!!!  for SCHRS

Your .97 may seem harsh but every dog has its day!!!!

Yes there has long been a macho “size matters!” attitude when Cat racing, where the biggest and fastest boats think they have a god given right to win regardless of ability or the lack of it, simply because they are the “biggest and fastest” and can get quite petulant should this not be the case!

For some reason this is not quite the case with Monohulls?

Keep It Simple Stupid

SCHRS is not currently looking at introducing "wind range" numbers. 

Eh ?

We are looking at a righting moment addition to the rule at the moment.

Yep.

Looking forward to see how the numbers look with the inclusion of "righting moment" as this is a major principle in multihull sailing and in my view should have been there from the start (I know I know KISS) but this is a central principle and just think how differently certain boats would perform if they were built to an optimum ratio rather than max. towing width.

I'm also waiting to see who the first person is to cut his beams down!!!

Remember when SCHRS was designed, the Tornado was single wire (and the only “wide” boat sailed) and so had (about the) same righting moment as the Hurricane and other twin trap boats.

SCHRS has fallen behind and we are addressing it.  We are already talking about the 2008 amendments !  

As I said Simon I'm glad it's happening, we all know h'cap racing has it's faults but hopefully this will provide a more even playingfield for the classes who currently seem vey disadvantaged compared to other systems. I take it the new system will be ratio based versus crew number and sail area.

Anyway more importantly I have already instructed John over at Stealth to take 15cms out of your main beam...and here's the good bit he'll take the same out of the rear so it doesn't toe out cool eh. could be a handicap bandit!

I don't think he has finished laying up the beams yet !

The SCHRS for a single handed F16 is currently 0.98.

see http://www.schrs.com - www.schrs.com

I may have said 0.97 before.  This was wrong.

yup we were promised a keek at the draft in the autumn , its definately winter up here !

Things take time.  We are still fiddling around with the rule as a few boats are causing us problems, we are not yet in a position to share the results of our labours. 

A number of things were agreed at the ISAF conferance in Finland and I'll be in a position to let people know more details in a while.  I'm sorry, but these things take time as we have a number of "admin" hoops we need to jump thru' before we can make things public.  We are still on schedule for a new rule to be in place for March 2007 - in time for the new season. 

We are also moving the site to a new server as the message says.

Still waiting on the ISAF for Sign-off....