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Topic: points don't mean prizes!!!
Posted By: les5269
Subject: points don't mean prizes!!!
Date Posted: 26 Jun 06 at 10:11pm

Right this is a different one for everyone

I got flashed by another Speed camera the other day.

So how many times have you been flashed to the times you've been caught

me flashed to many times  caught twice (maybe 3  only time will tell)



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Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 26 Jun 06 at 10:23pm
I think this is one for Hoppy...

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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 26 Jun 06 at 10:27pm
Ive been flashed twice but not caught

Had my licence since about december




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Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 26 Jun 06 at 10:47pm

I've never been flashed...

Well, not by a camera anyway!



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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 26 Jun 06 at 11:15pm

I've been flashed 3 times and recently, I've felt distinctively uncomfortable in front of that glorified hairdryer they brandish at the traffic. So far, I've never been caught, despite averaging record times on the main road  (I got my licence in July 1992).

Another question: how far can you push it? You're driving along at a healthy 90 when the traffic slows down because of a police car on the slow lane. You get level with the police (all the other cowards have dropped behind the police; they would crawl rather than overtake) and you realise they're only driving at 65/68 on a 70mph speed limit. How fast do you dare overtaking them? So far, I've never dared going much over 80, just in case. Anyone else with the same dilemma?  



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Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 26 Jun 06 at 11:20pm
Going down the M4, on my way back to uni one time, travelling at a safe 85. (My standard cruising speed). And a police motorbike come's crusing past me at about 95. So I just sat on his tail at 95 all the way to Bristol. If you don't overtake them, there's nothing they can do. By the time I got to Bath there was a convoy of about 6 of us doing the same.

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Posted By: Lucy Lee
Date Posted: 26 Jun 06 at 11:47pm

Never been flashed (by a speed camera), never been caught.

Seen far far far too many nastily broken bits of people in A&E and too many brain damaged young men in neurorehab to seriously consider going faster than 30 in a 30, and get pretty twitchy doing more than 75-80 on motorways.

Sorry to be utterly square but speeding is the biggest cause of preventable death in the UK, and by far the biggest killer of children. It's just not worth it.



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Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 12:26am
I personally think that instead of campaigning to slow motorists down they should try and persuade people to not get in the way of cars. The number of chavvy 'kids' in Nottingham that look to see if a car is coming, and bloody walk anyway even if there is just really piss me off! Do they not realise that a one and a tonne half car is going to make a mess of them whatever speed it is doing!

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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 1:25am

Yep, they're a danger to your bodywork.... until they get their own wheels!

*edit* I'm joking, you know! I wouldn't run over anyone of course, unless he/she was very ugly........ that reminds me.........  where's my neighbour's dog again?



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Posted By: Jamie
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 1:44am
I've had a obediance to ther speed limits drummed into me by livimg and learning to drive under the Iron Gatso of Cheif overlord Brunstrom. Mind you there are only 6 or 7 roads around home that you could speed on without running the risk of carreering through a wall into a sheep feild on a regular basis... it's load a fun with a trailer too.

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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 1:47am
Originally posted by Jamie

under the Iron Gatso of Cheif overlord Brunstrom.
I bet you simply call him Dad

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Posted By: Jamie
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 5:52am
Not really... No.

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Posted By: Charlie
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 7:58am
I have a cunning trick for this one, it's called a brake pedal, which i apply before crossing the path of the GATSO, works almost every time.

So for me flashed twice tickets nil.
Pulled over by police three times, tickets nil again.

Had my license coming up to 6 years now.

Oh and  strawberry, don't get me started on the M4, i was at bristol uni and had to do that bloody motorway too many times. My record was from my parents house in south london to redlands in bristol was 1 hour 47 minutes.


Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 9:21am
Originally posted by Charlie

I have a cunning trick for this one, it's called a brake pedal, which i apply before crossing the path of the GATSO, works almost every time.



The problem with that is that the cars behind you may not know that you are going to suddenly brake and you could end up causing a huge pile up or having someone plough into the back of you.

Thats the one thing I hate about driving round the M25 near Heathrow you get all the 'rep boys' in their Vectras and Modeos driving like muppets between the gantries and then slamming on their brakes to go past the cameras, often slowing down to 60 in error when the limit is at 70.

Sorry but in certain circumstances the 'spot' cameras are more of a danger than a help. What they need to do is impllement the time and distance cameras.

I don't want to be a killjoy but if you want to drive fast take up motorsport or go to a track day (now I shall get out my zimmer frame and toddle off to get the morning paper).


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Posted By: Charlie
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 10:32am

Yeah i tend to just do a steady 70 on the m25 round heathrow, though it's 70 according to my gps rather than my speedo, as almost all speedo's over read.

I agree with the time and distance camera thing, they're got those over tower bridge now, and i tell you people stick to the 20 mph limit.



Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 11:13am
Do most of you go 60 when towing or just stay at 70 on motorways?

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Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 11:19am
Umm my dad, pushes over a ton when towing the 4k  And averages between 70 and 90. This is in a cavalier mind you

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Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 11:30am

yea my dad just goes on motorway and stick it to 70 in cruise control and just stays at that all the time even for overtaking

edit - bloomin spelling



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Posted By: Contender 541
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 11:42am

I have been done a couple of times over the years, but one thing I have learnt is this

You are twice as likely to kill someone at 40 than at 30 (at 40 its a 50/50 chance!)

I am happy to do 80 and upwards on the motorway, and save the real stuff for circuit work.  In a 30 zone its 25 - 30 and sod all that want to flash there lights at me



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Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 12:16pm

Originally posted by Charlie

Oh and  strawberry, don't get me started on the M4, i was at bristol uni and had to do that bloody motorway too many times. My record was from my parents house in south london to redlands in bristol was 1 hour 47 minutes.

I can get from my parent's house in Welwyn, Hertfordshire, to my "ghetto" on Hampton Road in Redland in about 2hrs 15mins.

I agree about the braking before the camera thing, my SatNav is kind enough to tell me exactly where they are. Need to try checking the speed off the gps though, didn't realise my speedo would over-read.

Have you guys seen the "average-speed" cameras through the road-works on the M25 around Rickmansworth?



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Posted By: Charlie
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 1:13pm

Yeah i think modern speedo's are designed to over read by about 5%, when the speedo is showing 70, the car is only travelling about 67, though obviously each speedo has different tolerances, and even things like pressures in the tyre's will change the reading on the speedo.

Personally i'm driving around in a car that is older then me, built in 1976 by british leyland so i trust nothing in it, though surprisingly the speedo does seem to consistently over read by 5%.

With the towing thing i remember the first time i towed my boat back to my club, and thinking i really should of read the rules, barreling down the outside line.



Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 5:24pm

rite i musty be the most unlucky sod on here though its prob due to north wales having the most stupid, arrogant police cheif there is! got my first ticket on the A55 doing 87mph, a police car pulled out on me and gave me a ticket . Then 2 weeks ago i got another ticket this time from an arrive alive van driving home from work doing 63mph along a stretch of 50mph duel carriageway  so now i'm just waiting for them to ask me to hand my license in.  

Ohh yeah passed in october.

The boat towing record was from home in wrexham to southampton in 3h 45mins avereging around 90mph on the motorways towing my cherub with my 1 litre polo.

BUT... remember kids... speeding isn't cool or clever!!! (though i bet my sound system is louder than yours!!)



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Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 5:44pm

Because of Paul Garvin (gawd bless im) there is just one fixed camera in Co Durham and they save the 'Talivan' for areas where accidents are on the increase.

Result 2 tickets in 2 years in Southampton vs 0 tickets in 3 years in Darlington.

I'd just like to say that I obey lower speed limits (30 to 50) and drive according to the conditions rather than some arbitrary limit applied to cope with the handling and stopping distances of a 1957 Humber Snipe!



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Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 6:34pm
 If you don't overtake them, there's nothing they can do. By the time I got to Bath there was a convoy of about 6 of us doing the same.
 
Nope, they can get your speed via on-board camera !
 
Originally posted by Lucy Lee

Sorry to be utterly square but speeding is the biggest cause of preventable death in the UK, and by far the biggest killer of children. It's just not worth it.

 
I think you will find that inappropiate speed / "Looked but did not see" / and bad driving are the cause.
 
I totally support tight limits close to schools and 30/40 limits in tows and low limits in and around roadworks.
 
However.  The govt peddles that speed is the cause of all evil on  the roads and this is rubbish.  Hitting a wall at 34 or 40 MPH will not make any difference
 
Hitting a Kid at 20 vs 30 MPH will.
 
Speed in towns bad.
 
Speed on the motorway not so bad.
 
Do not believe everything the Govt tell you !


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Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 7:20pm
Originally posted by Contender 541

I have been done a couple of times over the years, but one thing I have learnt is this

You are twice as likely to kill someone at 40 than at 30 (at 40 its a 50/50 chance!)

I am happy to do 80 and upwards on the motorway, and save the real stuff for circuit work.  In a 30 zone its 25 - 30 and sod all that want to flash there lights at me

quite agree, I'm all for more cameras in towns and villages around schools etc, but i live on the side of a motorway and work on the side of it 16 miles south and i don't see many kids playing on it. I always..ish try to stay on the right side of 30 in towns.



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Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 8:37pm
Originally posted by Scooby_simon

 If you don't overtake them, there's nothing they can do. By the time I got to Bath there was a convoy of about 6 of us doing the same.
 
Nope, they can get your speed via on-board camera !
 
I studied this as part of my degree, and actually, they can't convict you unless you over-take them,


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Posted By: les5269
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 9:12pm
Originally posted by Strawberry

Originally posted by Scooby_simon

 If you don't overtake them, there's nothing they can do. By the time I got to Bath there was a convoy of about 6 of us doing the same.
 
Nope, they can get your speed via on-board camera !
 
I studied this as part of my degree, and actually, they can't convict you unless you over-take them,

I didn't know that !!



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Posted By: Charlie
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 9:41pm
Strawberry wrote:
Scooby_simon wrote:
Quote:
 If you don't overtake them, there's nothing they can do. By the time I got to Bath there was a convoy of about 6 of us doing the same.
 
Nope, they can get your speed via on-board camera !
 
I studied this as part of my degree, and actually, they can't convict you unless you over-take them,

I didn't know that !!



Isn't it something to do with the fact it's like entrapment, and the police can't arrest you if they're doing something illegal themselves. If they have a speed trap sat on a red line, then the tickets are invalid as they were illegally parked at the same time.


Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 9:58pm

It's more to do with the fact that for the in-car speedo camera things to work, you have to keep a relatively consistent distance between the police car, and the suspect car. And that's not really possible for the police just by looking in the rear view mirror.

I suspect you could probably raise the point that the police were also breaking the law. Because if they're going to exceed the speed limit they have to have the blues-and-twos on.



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Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 27 Jun 06 at 10:07pm

my dad regulary tows the feva at 70+ on motorways but NEVER in the outside lane. we came to the conclusion a metal barrier will hurt a plastic boat more than a tree will.

in Portsmouth theres speed traps everywhere, the most annoying example for me as i cycle alot is where they change the limit from 30 to 40 loads as the road goes from dual carriage way to 1 lane each way and its always 40 on the narrow bit, its scary when cars come past that fast that close.

as for the tighter limit outside schools my school is on a dual carriageway with a 40 limit and there are pelican crossings with people in green coats at school times but people still run across the carriage way if they see there freinds on the other side ignoring the crossing points, only one persons been killed so far but some else has been clipped by a car and that was bad enough. they should bring the speed limits down but equally idiots shouldnt run out into an A road to talk to their freinds.



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Posted By: ssailor
Date Posted: 29 Jun 06 at 10:30am
Its definitly unsafe and stupid to be speeding in town areas where the possibilities of hitting someone are high, however on motorways and dual carrigeways speed without getting caught is ok to a limit (ABOUT 100)

So for me,

flashed : never!
caught : never!

License for a year and due to work already done about 18000 miles

Speed can be ok in certain situations, like when on the track! 160+ etc but on the roads it just isnt worth it!


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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 29 Jun 06 at 12:42pm
Originally posted by mike ellis

my dad regulary tows the feva at 70+ on motorways but NEVER in the outside lane. we came to the conclusion a metal barrier will hurt a plastic boat more than a tree will.



I would be more worried about the top long slim aluminium torpedo could do if it broke loose during an accident. There aren't many cars that could take a mast full on. Seeing someone impaled on it might change the perspective that towing at 70+ is ok...

It is difficult especially on motorways to keep the speed down (unless you have cruise control). When I towed my boat home from where I bought it I had a few hours on mways and had to constantly watch the speedo to keep it at the limit.

It is also amazing the number of people who tow without having a safety wire on.

Paul


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Posted By: NeilP
Date Posted: 29 Jun 06 at 12:56pm

No need for a cable if the trailer doesn't have brakes. In fact the cable is useless on an unbraked trailer, as its function is to apply the brakes and then snap. Very few dinghy trailers have brakes, even most double trailers come inside the 750kg limit.

The thing that really scares me is the state of most people's trailer tyres and wheelbearings. When did you last check yours?? Don't forget, 3 points per illegal tyre!

Neil



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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 29 Jun 06 at 1:05pm
I think the law may have changed Neil, all new road based I have seen have a safety wire which is there in case the hitch comes off the ball.

I do agree on the brake dtrailers though, a triple stacker must come close to 750KGs when loaded though.


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Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 29 Jun 06 at 1:15pm

Originally posted by NeilP

No need for a cable if the trailer doesn't have brakes. In fact the cable is useless on an unbraked trailer, as its function is to apply the brakes and then snap. Very few dinghy trailers have brakes, even most double trailers come inside the 750kg limit.

"Unbraked trailers manufactured after 1 Jan 1997 must be fitted with a secondary coupling that will provide some residual steering in the event of an unplanned uncoupling. This device should also prevent the ball coupling hitting the ground in similar circumstances. It must be connected to the towing vehicle when the trailer is being towed."

http://www.ntta.co.uk/law/trailers/brakes.htm - http://www.ntta.co.uk/law/trailers/brakes.htm

What does this mean then?



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Posted By: Matt Jackson
Date Posted: 29 Jun 06 at 1:18pm

"I own a Ford Ka and want to tow my sailing dinghy but am told that I cannot have a towbar fitted as it would be illegal. Surely not? All cars sold here from the 1st August 1998 must be European Whole Vehicle Type Approved. The vehicle maker decides when he applies for approval if the car will be allowed to tow and the car has towbar mounting points built in to the chassis. The Ka does not have towbar mounting points so a towbar cannot be fitted. It would be illegal to fit one. There are a number of other cars that cannot have towbars fitted so if you intend to tow with a small car ask before buying."

From the FAQ on the same site... any Ka owners out there? Towed your boat anywhere recently?



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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 29 Jun 06 at 1:43pm
I have been flashed twice on my pushbike in a 30mph zone, but oviously not got a ticket!! I was doin 35mph at the time!

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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 29 Jun 06 at 1:53pm
Originally posted by tgruitt

I have been flashed twice on my pushbike in a 30mph zone, but oviously not got a ticket!! I was doin 35mph at the time!


I got pulled over on my pushbike once by the boys in blue, they were not impressed when I asked them how was I expected to know how fast I was going when cars were still over taking me.


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Posted By: Charlie
Date Posted: 29 Jun 06 at 2:00pm

Got pulled over on my bicycle by the parks police years ago for speeding and being an underage cyclist, how can you be an underage cyclist?!?!?

I was about 13 at the time, did the whole "yes officer won't speed again" wasn't the last time i've had to say that.



Posted By: ssailor
Date Posted: 29 Jun 06 at 2:08pm
Originally posted by stuarthop

"prob due to north wales having the most stupid, arrogant police cheif"

"A55 doing 87mph"

"63mph along a stretch of 50mph duel "



Hang on whos stupid?? you cant argue, if your caught speeding its your fault for speeding full stop! I believe we could raise the limit to 80 on most motorways and dual carrigeways and im not saying I dnt speed, but at the end of the day its the same as robbing a bank you are breaking the law!

Break the law, get a ticket, you cant argue! (thats to any one btw not just you stuart!)


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Posted By: Jamie
Date Posted: 29 Jun 06 at 2:38pm
Originally posted by ssailor

Originally posted by stuarthop

"prob due to north wales having the most stupid, arrogant police cheif"

"A55 doing 87mph"

"63mph along a stretch of 50mph duel "



Hang on whos stupid?? you cant argue, if your caught speeding its your fault for speeding full stop! I believe we could raise the limit to 80 on most motorways and dual carrigeways and im not saying I dnt speed, but at the end of the day its the same as robbing a bank you are breaking the law!

Break the law, get a ticket, you cant argue! (thats to any one btw not just you stuart!)

I would tend to agree ssailor, like it or not it is the law, break it and you can't complain, you pay your fine.

As for complaining about getting stopped for doing 87 on the A55, You drive within a Mile of The Chief Constables office on that road,reminder enough that if you live in N Wales you know the speed regs are being policed perhaps more tightly than in other areas, so keep to the speed limits! it isn't hard.

You may not agree with the guys policy, and I'm by no means a fan.  But the fact remains the guy is simply enforcing the law which lets face it is what the man is supposed to be doing with his time.



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Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 02 Jul 06 at 9:20pm
Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by mike ellis

my dad regulary tows the feva at 70+ on motorways but NEVER in the outside lane. we came to the conclusion a metal barrier will hurt a plastic boat more than a tree will.



I would be more worried about the top long slim aluminium torpedo could do if it broke loose during an accident. There aren't many cars that could take a mast full on. Seeing someone impaled on it might change the perspective that towing at 70+ is ok...

It is also amazing the number of people who tow without having a safety wire on.

Paul

if the mast is in 2 sections and all tied into the boat and stuffed up the spinnaker chute i cant realy see it flying out anywhere without going through the boat first which would probably slow it down alot.

RE saftey wires yes there is one on the trailer, yes it is ALWAYS on the tow bar when we are towing.



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