buzz/iso/boss nationals
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Topic: buzz/iso/boss nationals
Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Subject: buzz/iso/boss nationals
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 4:06pm
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at these nationals in hayling island, on the saturday there was 6 - 8 foot waves which broke 12 masts, including mine plus ripped my mainsail and wrote one boat off, the was some racing on the sunday and i managed to get a mast because andy holmes from wet n windy drove all the way back to bristol to pick some masts up for everybody, we raced for 6 and a half hours non stop, then on the monday there was no racing because the wind was too strong and the sea was too rough. check out http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/5023758.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/5023758.stm for saturday
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Posted By: tgruitt
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 4:47pm
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wimps
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Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 4:57pm
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Any pics anwhere? i wana see!
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Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 4:59pm
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i don't think there was any pics apart from some i will be taking to send to the insurance, john paul was there but he didn't break nothing, lucky, b********** ------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk"> BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 5:47pm
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yeah, i got off lightly, i dont think it was 8 ft waves, 6 at top. We should've raced yesterday but the iso's couldnt even handle their own boats and were capsizing all over the line, only blowing 5, gusting 6. shame really as being the heavyweights we got a good start but after the windward mark the RIB came over and told us race abandoned and back to the shore. really pis**d off, so we went for a blast round the harbour with the kite instead. good fun but a bit of a disappointing weekend. ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 6:09pm
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Its not too good an advert for topper, 12 masts going. We've only snapped battens in those sort of conditions.
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Posted By: gary145
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 6:56pm
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5 gusting 6 !!! over the bar at Hayling!!! no thank you tried that in an ISO a few years back
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fair amount more grunt needed than in a buzz.Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 7:05pm
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yeah thats the place, some big waves over the bar. took out a buzz and spat it out by pitchpoling it and leaving it with a hole in the deck! RNLI were many ISOs saviours ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: Rob.e
Date Posted: 31 May 06 at 9:50pm
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Couple of points: 1 for the RS 10th race, I'm sure we were told to come back via the beacon, and under no circumstances go through the cut if it was windy (can anyone confirm this? My memory is vague!) I understand the majority of breakages were from people going through the inshore passage (the cut near the shore). This is only hearsay, (sorry if I'm wrong!) but it sounds like a lack of good advice if it was true... 2 Sorry if I missed you Buzz 591/585. You may've seen me and my dog (Black Lab Bitch) wandering round on Friday, or sailing the Solo Sat/Sun (just me, not the dog). Friday I spoke to a couple of the competitors to give them advice on racing in the harbour, 'cos I was sure you would.... We should have a thing on site so forum people could meet if they are going to the same place on the same day! ------------- |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 01 Jun 06 at 7:08am
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we were told to go round the beacon but i think with all the swell it was a bit tempting for some to cut between it and when they capsized they just hit the ground as it was so shallow. How did you get on on sunday? did you race in the charity pursuit? ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: Hector
Date Posted: 01 Jun 06 at 12:23pm
Hardly Toppers fault - 1.If people ignore the advice to avoid the Hayling Bar it's their own fault not Toppers (I recall a Fireball Nationals with 20+ broken masts in similar conditions). I've been thro the bar in 'very interesting' conditions (mixture of stupidity and bravado) and despite surviving intact certainly wished I hadn't.(Gone over the bar that is). 2. Topper aren't sailing the boat, they aren't the ones capsising and sticking the mast in the sand. 3. Topper don't even make the masts! - So it's more likely Selden or Superspars who manufacture - but see 1 & 2 above. Anyone - in any boat - who capsizes on the bar when it's at its worst and survives with just broken battens is incredibly lucky! |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 01 Jun 06 at 1:29pm
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Hmm many a time have i been warned not to go over the bar and i now see why! Its allright at high tide in a laser cos u can just jump out lol! But if you decide to ignore the host sailing clubs own warning then you are bound to get hurt! Wat idiots!
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Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 01 Jun 06 at 2:20pm
Well if you don't follow the advice of the locals you deserve all you get ... ------------- |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 01 Jun 06 at 2:54pm
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yes but the worst waves were actually out in our sailing area out in the bay, that was when most of the boats lost masts, and then people went into survival mode and had to get back to shore. Generally speaking, the race officer couldve found out that these conditions were going to happen as he had access to the forecasts but assured us it would be fine, then even before we got to the race area we were caught up in a big swell and the race was postponed for 30 mins before it was abondonded, as boats were all over the place on there side, and with only 4/5 ribs for 55 boats the resuce cover wasnt great as one of those boats was normally laying marks and sorting that stuff out. ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 01 Jun 06 at 4:59pm
hmmmmm stupid to even go out.sue the ood!only joking  ------------- |
Posted By: gonzo
Date Posted: 01 Jun 06 at 7:57pm
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Out of curiosity 1. What was it blowing 2. What was the sea state 3 If you cant handle it or dont want to break things dont go out. ------------- Go Big or Go home or sail a 49er!!! |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 01 Jun 06 at 10:14pm
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It was 4k weather!! :)
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Posted By: gonzo
Date Posted: 02 Jun 06 at 7:24am
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says it all then. Any one fancy selling a 4k or know of anyone who needs a crew for the circuit by any chance. ------------- Go Big or Go home or sail a 49er!!! |
Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 02 Jun 06 at 7:42am
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http://www.laser4000.org.uk/
then go to the fourm and then there are 4ks there and u could put in an add for crew ------------- |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 02 Jun 06 at 8:24am
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the weather was blowing a 5 gusting 6, the sea state was not good, some big waves, 6ft swell, and it looked alrite from the club until you got out to the bar it started to get rough and then very difficult to get back. ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: Rob.e
Date Posted: 02 Jun 06 at 1:03pm
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The Solo's had a training session in the morning, in perfect conditions, but by the time we launched for the club race, it was survival conditions- I heard Chimet was reading gusts of F7. Like I said, on Friday I spoke to people assuming they'd be sailing in harbour, although in fairness, it was pretty crowded with club racing, oppie training and out-of-control keelboats from Itchenor. ------------- |
Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 02 Jun 06 at 2:20pm
 Coments like that are really not helpful and are the sort of thing which could ruin our sport
How do u managed to do it in every post? It says in the rules that its not up to an ood to decide if you go out or not! Well not exactly but its your responsibility to decide based on your own abilities! ------------- 
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Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 02 Jun 06 at 10:27pm
True, it is no-ones fault but your own if you set out in conditions in which you cannot cope. it is the helms responsibility to decide wether the conditions are managable, and the boat is 'sea worthy' . ------------- http://www.kielderwatersc.org - Kielder Water Sailing Club |
Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 02 Jun 06 at 11:00pm
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Thanks I couldnt remember the wording.
Oh good luck in the SSR event this weekend -------------
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Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 6:09am
Thank Jebus we aren't doing any events there.........Holy Christ we are!!!! (or maybe it is, we tried to build High Performace boats but..........) ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 12:57pm
cant u take a joke? ------------- |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 1:19pm
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.............Don't have a go at Calum.........Us Scot's may take a mighty offence and you don't want that happening!!!!!!!!! ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 1:23pm
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weel it was a joke! ------------- |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 1:24pm
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If you've seen Braveheart you'll know what he means!
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Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 1:25pm
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It's not even worth having a go Dennis! -------------
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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 1:46pm
hahahahaha....NO STITCH MY SIDES UP PLEASE!!! ------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 2:19pm
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Yeah, I know, it's not like they're Cherub sailors ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: gonzo
Date Posted: 03 Jun 06 at 4:21pm
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Leave poor feva kid alone hes all happy that he beat the 8 year olds in the feva match racing. Sorry couldnt help but laugh. ------------- Go Big or Go home or sail a 49er!!! |
Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 04 Jun 06 at 3:21pm
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so now ur brither and jamie are 8 yr olds? ------------- |
Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 04 Jun 06 at 3:37pm
i wana see the bosses in that weather  ------------- |
Posted By: gonzo
Date Posted: 04 Jun 06 at 4:39pm
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Just about yes. Congratualtions anyway. Hope we done some proper match racing on J22's then we will show you how to race properly.
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Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 04 Jun 06 at 5:33pm
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are there any laser 2000's coming out to play at herne bay 24th and 25th june with the buzzes isos etc and will you be there John Paul ------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk"> BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 04 Jun 06 at 8:53pm
thankyou, we did ok, came 12 out of 28, not as good as the kielder event, but we got a 2nd in the last race today so its all good, if only we could have beaten Richard Stenhouse ('stenhovie' was displayed on the results board  ) in the last race.------------- http://www.kielderwatersc.org - Kielder Water Sailing Club |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 04 Jun 06 at 9:13pm
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Nah josh i can't make it down that weekend, but it should be a good laugh. And feva kid or whoever you are, the bosses managed a spectacular pitchpole in those winds and snapped there mast in 2 places, and correct me if im wrong, but do they still even make them? ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |