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F18 performance - no crew

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Category: Multihulls
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Topic: F18 performance - no crew
Posted By: mikeward
Subject: F18 performance - no crew
Date Posted: 15 May 06 at 11:28pm
Having sailed Skiffs and then most two up cats I ended up buying a Shadow at the end of last season. This is without doubt one of the finest dinghies ever designed. Its a bit like climbing off a pony and onto a skittish and somewhat manic race horse. Faaaaannntttaaassstiiicccccc.

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Cornwall - 2 coasts and one big ocean



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Posted By: Jalani
Date Posted: 16 May 06 at 8:34am

Originally posted by mikeward

Its a bit like climbing off a pony and onto a skittish and somewhat manic race horse.

If that's a suitable simile, then an F16 in uni-rig setup (compare like with like  ) is an out and out pure-bred stallion! Smooth, strong and incredibly fast!

Have fun with your Shadow, Mike, and welcome to the sensible side of sailing! You won't ever regret making that step.



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Far too old to still be doing this......

Stealth F16s "White Rhino" GBR527 & "Yeah Baby" GBR538


Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 16 May 06 at 1:32pm

Mike,

Are you planning to come to Grafham Cat open in Oct ? 

We have some grand plans for the fast single handed fleet !



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Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 10:14am
get a hobie fx one there are afew at my club.extreamly fast.


Posted By: AdrianM
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 10:42am
Not so fast to right after a swim though............


Posted By: Jalani
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 10:45am

Originally posted by feva_sailor

get a hobie fx one there are afew at my club.extreamly fast.

Shadow =  95Kgs  SCHRS 1.07 (personally, I think it should be nearer 1.05)

F16 Uni = 104Kgs  SCHRS 0.98 (personally, I think it should be 1.01)

FX1 Uni = 135Kgs  SCHRS 1.04 (this is about right)

Why on earth would anyone want a heavy boat that's also quite slow?

 

Oh, PS:      F18 = 180Kgs   SCHRS 1.01  (BUT it is a pure 2 man boat)

                   F16 = 107Kgs   SCHRS 1.01  (in 2 man sloop mode)



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Far too old to still be doing this......

Stealth F16s "White Rhino" GBR527 & "Yeah Baby" GBR538


Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 17 May 06 at 10:59am
Originally posted by mikeward

Having sailed Skiffs and then most two up cats I ended up buying a Shadow at the end of last season. This is without doubt one of the finest dinghies ever designed. Its a bit like climbing off a pony and onto a skittish and somewhat manic race horse. Faaaaannntttaaassstiiicccccc.


From what I can see from mike's post he doesnt want a new boat.

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Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 18 May 06 at 9:52am
the fx1s can beat a cirrus in light winds without its handycap. the spi are so much bigger and eaiser to use than the shadows.an fx 1 beat a vry good sailor on his shadow out here too.


Posted By: Worthy
Date Posted: 18 May 06 at 12:03pm
Originally posted by feva_sailor

the fx1s can beat a cirrus in light winds without its handycap. the spi are so much bigger and eaiser to use than the shadows.an fx 1 beat a vry good sailor on his shadow out here too.


Why are you saying a Cirrus and not F18s in general?  It is possible Fx's are faster in (very) light winds due to weight etc, but it would depend on who is on board!!


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 18 May 06 at 12:15pm
I'd have thought the Cat world was small enough without trying to score points off each other? Any of these boats will be fun and fast if you are lucky enough (or have moved specially!) to live by a piece of water big enough to allow them free rein. The last Cat I raced was a Dart 18 in Falmouth in about 1991, and that was fast enough to be able to criuse down the reach in 20 knots of wind infront of a 14 going full pelt. The new generation must be something else again - support each other!

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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686


Posted By: Jalani
Date Posted: 18 May 06 at 1:20pm

Originally posted by Rupert

I'd have thought the Cat world was small enough without trying to score points off each other? Any of these boats will be fun and fast if you are lucky enough (or have moved specially!) to live by a piece of water big enough to allow them free rein. The last Cat I raced was a Dart 18 in Falmouth in about 1991, and that was fast enough to be able to criuse down the reach in 20 knots of wind infront of a 14 going full pelt. The new generation must be something else again - support each other!

Well said Rupert!

The point I was simply trying to make is that the Shadow was an excellent choice for Mike to have made. I hope that he has a fantastic time with the boat and gets in some really good racing.

Oh, BTW feva an FX1 should beat a Shadow, but that doesn't make it a better choice for Mike. He has chosen wisely in the lighter boat.



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Far too old to still be doing this......

Stealth F16s "White Rhino" GBR527 & "Yeah Baby" GBR538


Posted By: Worthy
Date Posted: 18 May 06 at 2:01pm
Originally posted by Rupert

I'd have thought the Cat world was small enough without trying to score points off each other? Any of these boats will be fun and fast if you are lucky enough (or have moved specially!) to live by a piece of water big enough to allow them free rein. The last Cat I raced was a Dart 18 in Falmouth in about 1991, and that was fast enough to be able to criuse down the reach in 20 knots of wind infront of a 14 going full pelt. The new generation must be something else again - support each other!


Put me in my place but well said.


Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 30 May 06 at 12:36pm


a shadow in dubai.they must be good!

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