What would you do?
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Topic: What would you do?
Posted By: Chris Noble
Subject: What would you do?
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 7:01pm
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Here a question for each and everyone of you: Q. If you could make just one modification to any dinghy at all what would it be? remember just one modification to the actual boat itself. I'll kick you off so you get the idea just incase your not following so far I'd quite like to stick a carbon rig on a fireball and see what happened. This thread is purely out of interest, im not looking to start another debate about whether or not we should encourage change in classes, im just looking for everyones wacky ideas, not an overly heated debate thats been done elsewhere. ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
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Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 7:04pm
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Large fully stayed mast on a Laser (mast must have trapeze of course) It'll almost end up as a Laser EPS vs Contender. I know this is a 2nd item .. maybe a small assymetric as well (just storing it would be a problem) ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 7:23pm
Id love to stick a rig about RS800 sized (maby a touch less upwind sail
area but complete with twin wires) on something lightweight and about
12ft long... ------------- |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 7:33pm
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I'd like my boat to weigh about 30kg, all up! ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 7:43pm
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oooohhhh, got another one... How about take a 97rules cherub (or similar), but swap the hull for one http://www.skiffs.org.uk - 6ft long ? ------------- |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 7:49pm
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Add an extra batten and move the rig ( rotating of course ) back about a
foot on a National 12. I would call this the 'Nest of vipers' rule....  ------------- http://www.uk3-7class.org/index.html" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Class Website https://www.facebook.com/groups/1092602470772759/" rel="nofollow - Farr 3.7 Building - Facebook Group |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 8:00pm
| Put a musto skiff rig on the tera, Mwah Ha Ha!!! |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 8:05pm
refer to my previous post...  ------------- |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 9:01pm
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i think id quite like to try a kite on my 300 actually ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 9:11pm
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Difficult to pick one change, usually you need to make a couple of changes that work together.
Sensible - a decent size kite on an RS400: say 200sqft. Controversial - rerig the RS300 with a stayed fully battened rig based on Moth practice. Makes old timers spit in their beer (1) - ditch the Merlin Rocket Gaff rigged mainsail and just measure total area with the rest free. Makes old timers spit in their beer (2) - ditch the Merlin Rocket clinker hull to make the boats cheaper. |
Posted By: jpbuzz591
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 9:12pm
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Make any laser boat have a lighter hull. ------------- Jp Indoe Contender 518 Buzz591 Chew Valley Sailing club Bristol |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 9:46pm
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maybe see if hydros would work on a 300, if you can get 2 people foiling in a moth then you can surely get a 300 flying ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 9:59pm
Theres no doubt a 300 could be made to foil... but why would you want it too? It would be totaly outclassed by the moth speedwise, yet still too difficult to sail to make it a popular smod foiling alternative IMO ------------- |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 10:16pm
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1)To Stick a carbon rig on the 4000 2) Twin Traps on the 4000 3) Bigger rags (mast head kite) 4) Less strict one design rules (not development style just common sense things) ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 10:19pm
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didnt say id wanna foil a 300 just wondered if it was possible
------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 10:19pm
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i think if you read the opaning post i says 1 thing to a boat not 4
any way i think put the vareo kite on the 300 then i would think more about geting one inset of stuped things that i would spend most of my time in a rescu boat for
chris where you at lee on solent for your last open ------------- |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 10:22pm
What youve just described is an 800 mate... ------------- |
Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 10:24pm
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800 ant got a mast head kite ------------- |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 10:24pm
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nah i was at LoS, im based in Scotland so only doing the scottish travellers, next one being Dalgety Bay ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 10:25pm
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ok cool i relly wont a go in a 300 as il probly leave the vareo at the end of this year
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Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 10:26pm
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Meh, But a boy can dream!!
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Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 10:28pm
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i havent looked back since getting into the boat, its jsut a brilliant boat ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 10:30pm
I think 21.5sqm qualifies for the 'bigger rags than a 4k' requirement, even if it is a fractional ------------- |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 10:32pm
Definantly a tad controversial! I have a lot of respect for what theyve created with the 300 rig whilst keeping it unstayed... id be interested to hear the reasoning on staying it? ------------- |
Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 10:33pm
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yer but it still ant mast head
any way the 300 cool it looks good but the olny thing im wory about is coming out of the laser in to the vareo is howsmall the fleets are and thats why im annyed with it is the 300 much better ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 10:41pm
More power for the same area, better gust response, longer lasting sails, better twist control, apart from that nothing... |
Posted By: 5420
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 10:43pm
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yer but then the boat would not be as fast down wind and not as hard to sail down wind as you would have to sail higher angles because of the shrouds ------------- |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 10:46pm
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TBH ... Foils on anything would be good. Even better if you could pull them up / down from inside, and not have to launch into a minimum depth of water (eg: 3 x pin holes .. one up, one halfway down, and one fully down) so that you can sail away from shalow water and still have some control ... same for coming back in. Anyone up for putting foils on an RS600 / 700 / MPS? ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 10:53pm
Been done on the 600, for and aft trim is a bitch to get right apparently. I guess losing bout 50kg off the L4000 would be pretty ideal! |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 10:55pm
neither is the vareo, does that stop you enjoying it? ------------- |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 10:56pm
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Just attach a few t-foils to the wings and your sorted. A pair of wands to control the ride height and you away! Any idea of the site that has pics / info on this lovely foilind rs600? ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 11:00pm
Totaly right, you would get a faster rig ...but youd sacrifice the simplicity of the current rig which IMO is one of the best bits about the boat. ------------- |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 11:02pm
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Sensible Hydro-foils on the 49er just so we can go harder down-wind when the waves are up and theres a bit of a breeze, appart from that, wouldn't want to alter a thing...... Other minor adjustments may be to alter the way that the wing tracks are connected to the hull, ie instead of having two nuts behind the deck, have a fixed plate so that it doesn't become an absolute mission to tighten up the tracks when the bolts start loosening off. Another modification would be to lead the kicker and possibly cunningham lines back to a positions on the deck which can be lead out externally so either helm or crew can adjust the tuning of the boat from the wire. ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 11:20pm
Its being developed by Linton Jenkins of http://www.fullforceboats.co.uk/home.asp - Fullforce Not seen any pics on the web, but I have seen a vid of it in action and it looks awesome, if a little out of control. The planned release date was april I beleive so unless theyve been set back too far Im sure you'll see more soon... ------------- |
Posted By: combat wombat
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 11:33pm
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18ft Skiff no.2 rig on the B14, twin traps off the racks... You'll see me down the mine every bear away. ------------- B14 GBR 772 |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 11 May 06 at 11:43pm
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Put a small foil on the bow to keep it up? edit: im surprised people havn't thought about making things easier / more comfortable to sail yet ... Like rounding the gunnels off or making the ends of their wings thicker so they are easier to trapeze from. ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: Chris 249
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 12:09am
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Move the pivot hole for the Laser rudder, so the blade can go more upright and reduce the feeling of weather helm. One very simple zero-cost (as far as I can see) change that would make life more pleasant for many thousands of sailors. |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 1:09am
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Bar the thing I mentioned about the wing mountings on the 9er, which is a serious maintainence issue, everything I mentioned would make the boat nicer and easier to sail from my point of veiw. As it stands, the boat is awesome to sail and maybe knocking a T-foil on the back of the boat might take an element of skill away from it? ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: phantom871
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 8:47am
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Two things
1 Remove the corners from the back of a laser to stop the the main sheet catching!
2 I would tie three buckets to the back of every phantom other than mine! ------------- If its bent pull harder |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 9:41am
 This is the only pic i have seen of the foiling 600. looks pretty farkin' cool though! ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: Ellie
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 10:07am
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oi! what are you saying! the clinker hull makes a merlin what it is! have u seen the MRX? its a completely different boat! yuk yuk yuk (compared to a merlin, but alright just to knock around wembely...very hard work tho, bit of a brute). anyway my change would be to take the 21Kg of lead out of our boat see if we can get her planning upwind ps sorry for getting defensive, i cant help it pps sorry for dragging up an old comment....i had to defend the MRs |
Posted By: Bruce Starbuck
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 10:22am
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The Fireballs have a rule banning the use of carbon fibre in almost anything. Trouble with this is that a standard alloy spinnaker pole isn't stiff enough so they wrap kevlar around an alloy pole to beef it up and charge nearly £150 for a really heavy, terrible bit of engineering. A carbon one would be the same price but much better. It's one of those rules which is intended to save you money but actually doesn't, and has a detrimental effect on the boat. Come to think of it, they build parts of the hull from kevlar too. Before I rant too much, does anyone know the comparative price of kevlar vs. carbon, and specifically what the price difference would be to replace the kevlar cloth in a Fireball hull with carbon, and what the difference in performance would be? |
Posted By: combat wombat
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 10:44am
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Don't even let you have carbon tiller extensions apparently... now thats harsh.
------------- B14 GBR 772 |
Posted By: Bruce Starbuck
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 11:01am
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Yeah, but at least an alloy extension is cheaper than a carbon one, so the rule serves its purpose. The alloy/kevlar poles are so heavy they can cause damage to people's decks when they are dropped, so they cost more in foredeck repairs!
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Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 12:35pm
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the cost of a sq m of carbon to a sq m of kevlar at my outlet is exactly the same, they just have rather different properties which vary on the lay up ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 1:10pm
To bleedin right. It has to be the biggest design flaw ever in a boat, i mean did they actually ever test sail it? What made me really laugh is when an esteemed yachting mag that rymes with pots and potting reviewed the XD version they sort of nochanlantly glossed over it with its a bit of a pain, but hey ho. Had this been a boat straight out of the box i'm sure it would have fared a lot worse. As for it being a bit of a pain take a look at the face of a laser sailor whose just in front of the fleet on the last lap and does this on a gybe at the last bottom mark ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: combat wombat
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 1:34pm
Yeah, but its funny that you aren't allowed one, its not as if they increase performance! The fireball extension isn't very long so no significant weight decrease... I don't see what the problem is if people want to spend more on their boats if it doesn't affect performance at all. Carbon tillers don't bend either (or break if you get a good one). ------------- B14 GBR 772 |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 1:59pm
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Last I checked kevlar 200g plain is at somewhere near £20/sqm but theres a bit of a shortage of carbon at the mo so the equivelant carbon cloth has gone up in most places and seems to be around £30/sqm... Edit: just had a bit of a glance around and found somewhere selling 200g plain carbon cloth at about £45/sqm!!! ------------- |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 2:01pm
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mines £15 for both at 200g/m2 ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 2:03pm
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Bloody hell!!! Wheres that??
Think I need to make a trip.. ------------- |
Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 3:16pm
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Build Tornado Hulls out of Carbon. Could probably shed 50kg off the all up weight. It would really go then! ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 3:59pm
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RS300 rig on a laser would be cool to try. A 14 rig on an RS800 would be fun too |
Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 4:04pm
I can't imagine the 300 rig on a laser being any more fun than it is on a 300... and I also can't see the 14 rig on an 800 being any more fun than it is on a 14! worth a bash though! ------------- http://www.facebook.com/bearfootdesign - BEARFOOT DESIGN Cherub 2648 - Comfortably Numb |
Posted By: Ellie
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 4:28pm
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whilst we are on carbon hulls, carbon merlin hull! with no lead, not to race coz thats just unfair on the older boat but i think that wouldnt half go. ho hum back to fri afternoon work which is only work in name |
Posted By: Jamie600
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 4:53pm
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Cupholders |
Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 4:53pm
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yeah dont even try and pretend u do anything ------------- 
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Posted By: phantom871
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 5:04pm
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Thinner wayfarers (for those who sail on restricted waters) ------------- If its bent pull harder |
Posted By: gordon
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 7:31pm
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An impossible dream...Watertight lockers on a Wayfarer - that stay watertight when everything goes pear shaped.. And I quite like the idea of a cruising/racing cat -the Wayfarer philosophy on 2 hulls...but I'm straying from the subject.
Gordon ------------- Gordon |
Posted By: m_liddell
Date Posted: 12 May 06 at 11:21pm
True on both counts, more for interest than performance. I've always wanted to see what a laser would be like with a modern rig with some gust response. The RS800 has a really distinctive smooth feel which is nice and very different to my 14. I always wondered what it would be like with more sail... Oh, and some kind of portable waterproof/pitchpole proof stereo fitted to any high performance boat. |
Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 12:00am
Think you might be on to something there, had a mate at a sailing school construct a water proof casing for a stereo system to go under the mast support bars on a Boss. Never actually found out if it worked but how much effort would it take to water-proof one of these i-pod and portable speaker thingys?????? ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 12:02am
would be nice tho to listen to music while flying along
------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk"> BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 8:35am
Can you imagine the arguments generated by crews and helms deciding what music to listen to, reckon my crew would disown me if we had to sail constantly listening to the music I like.... ------------- Dennis Watson 49er GBR735 http://www.helensburghsailingclub.co.uk/ - Helensburgh S.C http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=560 - Boat Insurance from Noble Marine |
Posted By: Chris Noble
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 10:19am
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already been done, ive got my mp3, protable speakers wrapped in sum thin foam to take a bit of the knock out of it, then the whole lot inside the really small crewsaver dry bag and clipped into the back of my 300 that way it doesnt get in the way.works very well ------------- http://www.noblemarine.co.uk/home.php3?affid=561 - Competitive Boat Insurance From Noble Marine FOR SALE: I14 2 Masts 2 poles 3 Booms, Foils Kites/Mains/Jibs too many to list. |
Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 11:22am
i'd like just the hull of my boat to weigh 50kg if that's not too much to ask... ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
Posted By: Iain C
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 11:30am
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Carbon tillers/spinny poles on a Fireball Standard 800 kite to fit Cherub without daft luff tape removal *puts on flak jacket* Kite on an N12 2 gallons of unleaded and a match on Wanderers No weight limit on I14 Skiff sheeting on an 800 Sod it, make an ALL carbon Fireball, the whole thing, just to see how quick it could be Ban the colour blue in the Enterprise fleet Ban keels in the FF fleet Ban gaffer tape/blue tack in Cherubs Ban parents from Oppie events No races EVER before midday if the bar was open the night before Apologies to anyone offended, just messin' ------------- RS700 GBR922 "Wirespeed" Fireball GBR14474 "Eleven Parsecs" Enterprise GBR21970 Bavaria 32 GBR4755L "Adastra" |
Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 2:59pm
Ipod with an itrip on it inside an aquapack (or plastic bag- same thing anyway), taped to somewhere out of the way on the boat, then a shower radio on full volume, again - taped somewhere out of the way. problem solved ------------- http://www.kielderwatersc.org - Kielder Water Sailing Club |
Posted By: 29er397
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 3:03pm
I emailed them a little while a go about this and got no response unforunately  i wonder how much mods will need to be done to the boat? and also how much it will cost ------------- http://www.kielderwatersc.org - Kielder Water Sailing Club |
Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 4:35pm
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I'd support both those. ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: feva_sailor
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 4:38pm
ive seen a great oneat my club of a tornado with a 30sqm furling kite.they put it up and the mast snapped and they pitchpoled 
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Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 5:18pm
AMEN! ------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: sam knight
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 9:29pm
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either; put a decent rig on a topper or make a topper pointy at the front(although you could say thats a laser i suppose) ------------- Topper 43749 |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 9:39pm
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What about rather than having the bow a flatish curve, have it more like a Fireball? And add a lot more freeboard! ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: I luv Wight
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 10:04pm
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A 50kg all up IC, with a 10.6m² camber induced sail, on 750mm wide hull.
This is not a just an idea - I'm building one! a few weeks ago 
a few months ago 
and Steve Clark has made one already 
see http://www.internationalcanoe.yachting.org.au/default.asp?Page=23074&MenuID=ICAA%5FForums%2F13163%2F0%2CIC%5FDevelopments%2F13267%2F0 - Development IC rules |
Posted By: Villan
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 10:34pm
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Dang thats nice! Which versions of IC's allow spinakers again (if im thinking right) ... im imagining that with a masthead kite right now .... *drool* ------------- Vareo - 149 "Secrets" http://www.TandyUKServers.co.uk" rel="nofollow - TandyUK Servers |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 10:47pm
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that would be the assymetric canoe ------------- |
Posted By: Calum_Reid
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 10:53pm
I agree. Does anyone want to give Ben one free to try it? -------------
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Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 10:59pm
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Now that you mention it, I do have a 12 foot hull laying about somewhere.... Doesnt come much lighter either... all non-essential componants have been stripped. footloops, hatch covers, blocks, cleats, foredeck, spaceframe, paint.... ------------- |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 13 May 06 at 11:57pm
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800 rig? put a propper size rig on. ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 14 May 06 at 1:37am
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A couple of thoughts on my thoughts...
On putting a stayed f/b rig on an RS300. Obviously other people's mileage varies, but I was very strongly considering buying one last year, but the rig is for me most off putting. In the end the Development Canoe proposals came out, and that is very much to my taste. I think putting a big kite one one is somewhat defeating the object - to my way of thinking the IC has always been somewhat minimalist - narrowest hull, very moderate sail area, a rapier, not a broadsword, and putting a big kite on doesn't quite match. More elegant by far to have a boat that hardly needs one. |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 14 May 06 at 12:54pm
Id agree with that totaly... I cant wait to see how Andys boat goes upwind (and the rest of the way around the course actualy) sat on the tfoil with that sexy camber rig. Huge rigs with insane kites definantly have their place but trying to mix the two aspects of efficiency and brute power together is plain messy IMO ------------- |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 14 May 06 at 12:55pm
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But that means it would still be slightly better with one... ------------- One step forwards, 2 steps back... |
Posted By: Skiffe
Date Posted: 14 May 06 at 2:15pm
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Sail a 12, it means almost no rules and therefore you don't have to dream about it. Its allowed. But maybe a 14ft long 12fter ------------- 12footers. The Only Way to FLY Remember Professionals built the titanic, Amateurs built the ark. |
Posted By: aardvark_issues
Date Posted: 14 May 06 at 4:22pm
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im dreaming about t foils, will 12's help me? :-p |
Posted By: skiffyskiferson
Date Posted: 14 May 06 at 6:14pm
| up the sail size on a moth an put a trapeze on it!!! haha! |
Posted By: Rob.e
Date Posted: 14 May 06 at 6:14pm
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Re the foiling 300, Clive Everest has a cut down 300 hull with a big rig, wings, traps and foils. Looks very difficult to sail.... ------------- |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 14 May 06 at 6:52pm
Almost any boat at current state of the art would get down a run faster with a big asymettric - even, I imagine, a foiler Moth. The new wave canoes will be no different. But that doesn't necessarily mean that stuffing a kite one would make them more enjoyable boats to own and race. A spinnaker less boat that never the less is slippery enough to sail hot angles is a lot more versatile for instance. which is great if your club does more complex courses than windward/leewards. |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 14 May 06 at 7:46pm
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havent IC sailors got enough on their hands without great big kites? modifications: 1) a 1 piece mast with spreders instead of silly shroud things on the feva. 2) a bigger (mast head) kite on the feva (the main reason for the stiffer mast). 3) sod it lets go the whole hog, an all carbon feva. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 14 May 06 at 8:27pm
Why not just buy a real boat? ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14 May 06 at 8:53pm
Isis, i second that, motion forwarded! Time for a reall boat it is mike! |
Posted By: Prince Buster
Date Posted: 14 May 06 at 10:48pm
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mike.......he's right!
------------- international moth - "what what?" |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 15 May 06 at 10:49am
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Hee hee for the 1st time im actually agreeing with a cherub sailor Im agreed y not just get a proper boat? ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: Blobby
Date Posted: 15 May 06 at 11:40am
------------- One step forwards, 2 steps back... |
Posted By: MRJP BUZZ 585
Date Posted: 15 May 06 at 12:13pm
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Bet that took some stength ------------- Josh Preater http://www.bu22.co.uk"> BUZZING IS FUN
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Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 15 May 06 at 12:51pm
Today i will be your fairy godmother, and make your wish come true...a little swish of my magic wand and kazaarrr......BYTE CII ------------- I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e! |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 15 May 06 at 2:21pm
To play Devils advocate amongst all those who have flamed this, the Feva does like like quite a sweet little hull shape at a glance, nicer than a lot of recent boats. So if you were to build a boat that shape with say a 30kg carbon hull and a big kite, wouldn't it be rather entertaining for a couple of yougsters of say around 40kg each? |
Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 15 May 06 at 3:50pm
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40kg? doh. ill just need to put an even bigger rig on it im 70kg.
idea: sail it single handed. ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |
Posted By: southcoast
Date Posted: 15 May 06 at 4:09pm
| id like a carbon boom for the 600, the sail areas definitly enough though. |
Posted By: gonzo
Date Posted: 15 May 06 at 4:54pm
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Really where abouts is that id be very interested in seeing it seen as i sail a f18 at the same club as you and havnt seen it point it out next time im down. Wouldnt mind trying a 9er kite on an f18 though just to go that bit deeper bound to end up in disaster but always fun.
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Posted By: gonzo
Date Posted: 15 May 06 at 4:57pm
A few years ago i mate of mine tried to put a pico jib 405 kite on a topper with a trapeze dont know how he attached it but the kite packed in to a plastic bag by the centreboard but the mast broke on its maiden voyage!
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Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 15 May 06 at 5:33pm
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not suprising realy. what happened to the hull? ------------- 600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it. Also International 14, 1318 |