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Topic: New Budget.
Posted By: Bumble
Subject: New Budget.
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 5:50am

As some of you are aware, I have been out of the country (uk) for a while. On returning (next month) I was a bit gauled to notice that petrol has taken a hike to nearly 1 pound per litre..... it was around 65 only 2 years ago which seems a big increase.

Now it would appear that my car tax is double also at a wapping 210 quid. How did this happen? Is anyone out their in posession of a car which isn't so much and can it tow a boat at 60 mph? Is there going to be more fuel protests? How do poorer earners live?

Oh, and incidentally - how come British troops are still in Iraq?I thought everyone was against it, including the troops. Everybody else in the world thinks it is just our American friends. Why hasn't the prime minister been shot?




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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 9:18am

And those crime prevention cameras aren't much use at catching burglars (who hide in shadows, surprise, surprise), but they are very good at spotting people who double park for 30 seconds while taking the shopping out of the car, and then sending them a £100 bill...And we will all be watched via a biometric identity card as soon as we need a new passport, too, your DNA will be on record so it is likely you won't be able to get heath insurance if your genes aren't perfect (of course the government will sell the info - (they sell all the other data they get from us) and you will be hauled in for crimes you have nothing to do with because your DNA will be all over the scene but the actual person who did it wore gloves and a mask, and the police won't bother actually solving crimes by traditional methods any more...

I'd stay where you are, Bumble...Tax is now higher here than it has been since the 70's, but it is all done in secret, rather than on income, so you end up paying tax on your tax, even. I'd say kick them out, but the next lot will be just as bad.



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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 9:19am
PS bah humbug

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Posted By: Black no sugar
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 9:34am
Rupert for PM!
Bumble for Chancellor!!
BWD in Education!!!
Turnturtle as Home Secretary will increase taxes on wholesale starch and use the profits to sponsor grob's London marathon.


I won't venture any names to replace the Queen...   

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Posted By: phantom_iv
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 9:42am
Just seen from the DVLA website that my car tax will now be £175, just
because my car was registered before 2001. Was the same car registered
after 2001 it would cost £110. How is this fair? Am I causing any more
pollution than an identical but newer car? I think not, as my car is actually
more fuel efficient now than when it was new. So how can they justify
charging people more who can't afford new cars?


Posted By: far canal
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 10:12am

Its called taxing the poor !!!!! , if you are too poor to buy a new car you pay more tax , simple !!!!

When the emission related duties came in they listed all engine numbers of cars and models that would get better rates , then abitarily decided to do it by date of registration , so both my wifes car and mine had exactly same spec as those eligible but taxed higher . I wrote to Vehicle excise bampots pointing this out , but guess what they didn't even bother to reply !

Well done GB & TB guess whose not gitting my votes (and for many other reasons)

 

They will be bring back extra tax on boats next !

 

 



Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 11:43am
Just been cruising the DVLA site, is there any way of finding out the CO2 emmisions for specific cars?

I was under the impression that diesel cars were more economical because they generally returned a higher MPG. I noted a definite trend in increasing diesel prices when the car manufacturers shifted to a bias on diesel cars... I have a 1.9 Diesel clio which has about 60bhp (same as a base petrol) so its not fast, and i have to pay more tax than if i had the 1.8 16v petrol model?!

There is a lot I could say about the current government but IN MY OPINION it is something that should be said about ALL politicians. They're crafty little buggers with their only interest is in being re-elected. I think a system needs to be brought in which forces them to do what they think is 'right' for the good of the people and country rather than trying to secure their job. Perfect example is in the USA, where (unless they are completely stupid) they can see the long term benfits of signing the Kyoto agreement (which i also wouldn't rule out), but no one has the balls to stand up and do anything about it because they won't be voted in next time round. WHY does this happen?!


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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 12:00pm
Originally posted by timnoyce

I think a system needs to be brought in which forces them to do what they think is 'right' for the good of the people and country rather than trying to secure their job.


Ah well, that was the role of the Monarch and the House of Lords, whose powers have been greatly reduced in recent years.

I'm not competent to comment on political theory, but I remember my suprise when I read a book from the Eighteenth century commenting on how superior the then English system was to a pure democracy because of exactly those sorts of problems.


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 12:07pm
Originally posted by timnoyce

no one has the balls to stand up and do anything about it because they won't be voted in next time round. WHY does this happen?!


Exactly right!  If the government simply tweak everything that's currently going on, they can then stand up and say "ooooo look we've made that a little bit better" but if they do anything drastic which would actualy make a real difference then they risk upsetting a large faction of people.  And yes possibly wouldnt get voted in for the next term, and no government party wants to take a salary decrease, even if it does end up being for the good of the country. 

Sadly the government wont take the time to really listen unless we force them to listen.  Potential protest time me thinks....

Doug


Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 12:15pm
I think I need to get involved. I don't mind if people don't like me as long as there is a reason for it!! It just needs someone to go in and shake the system up a bit. In the american case I think that Arni is the man to go for it. The state of California has very strict rules on a lot of things involving cars and emmisions etc. It is generally there where they start and then they get filtered elsewhere (or so i heard).

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Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 12:22pm
I heard a great theory about politicians.  Anyone who actually wants to be one should be instantly barred from ever holding office, it would appear that most of them are in their jobs for what they can get out of it, grace and favour flats, claiming 40 grand to pay the interest on a 30 grand morgatge over 3 years anyone?  What makes the current lot worst is the high handed way in which they preach at us whilst being up to their arms in the cookie jar, frankly i wouldn't pi?~ on them if they were on fire. 

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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 12:33pm
Originally posted by tack'ho

it would appear that most of them are in their jobs for what they can get out of it


To be fair though you wouldn't get me turning up for my job for free. In that sense I'm in it for what I can get out of it!

I knew one of the more controversial New Labour figures slightly for a while (I worked on some of his land) and I would have to say that although most of my prejudices about politicians attitudes were reinforced he seemed to be a perfectly nice and straight guy, and no more untrustworthy than other senior managers in large public and private companies I've come across.


Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 12:55pm

Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by tack'ho

it would appear that most of them are in their jobs for what they can get out of it


To be fair though you wouldn't get me turning up for my job for free. In that sense I'm in it for what I can get out of it!

True, but I do expect a level of alturism from anyone in public office when you consider a large number of politicians make a considerble amount of cash on their expenses.  In my mind expenses are a recommence not a benefit.  They have consitantly voted themselves above inflation pay rises and pension benfits whilst at the same time telling the rest of the public sector that their isn't enough cash for their demands.  Now although I can tolerate this sort of behaviour in the private sector I wish those in power felt that is was a privlege to lead us not  a privlege for us to be led by them.  To be fair their are still some politicans who do believe that but they are a dying breed.

I knew one of the more controversial New Labour figures slightly for a while (I worked on some of his land) {your typical hard up working class labour politician then}and I would have to say that although most of my prejudices about politicians attitudes were reinforced he seemed to be a perfectly nice and straight guy, and no more untrustworthy than other senior managers in large public and private companies I've come across (i would trust them either).



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Posted By: dics
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 1:32pm

Peruvian Earthworms for PM!!

Oh yes, why has so much been spent on the health service - record amounts, but hospitals are laying off staff that the country has got qualified, who then seek jobs in hospitals overseas so other countries get the benefit of our doctors that our taxpayers have got qualified, only then for the govement to employ people from overseas (and not so wealthy economies which have a poorer education system) to work of the NHS. Sounds like the govement is in the export business. I wonder what kick backs they're getting? Well, since the party treasurer didn't even know he had loans financing his parties activities there be no chance on find out on this one.

About time the biggest monoploy in the country had corporate governence to proctect the man in the street - and that is the business of politics.



Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 1:36pm
Acutally Bumble if you read the data the new highest rate (the £210 rate) only applies to vehicles registered on or after March 23rd 2006.

Persoanlly I would have applied it to all registered since 2001 as they have all the required data. There are far too many 'wannabe' 4x4 drivers out there who have no good reason for having a 4x4 aside from as a status symbol.

BTW in your quest for a car that will tow a boat at 60MPH (boat size I am assuming a Scorpion as you love them) I towed one from Peterborough to Tenby a few years back for the Nationals and had no problems at all. I then towed it to Devon after the nats and then back home a week later following the Fireball nats. No problems at all 60MPH was comfortable.

Tax rate for that car £110 a year (on a 2.0 HDi).


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Posted By: tack'ho
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 2:30pm
So to change tack a little (get it?) what about the opposition, credible chance next time?, bad as ever?

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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 2:33pm
Of course, for expressing our views, we will all be questioned by the police under anti terrorism laws, and Y&Y will be banned as an extremist and subversive magazine...

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Posted By: Bumble
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 3:50pm

The crux of this budget marker of zero tax for the'new' hybrid engine cars and same rate for most other with a massive rate for the 'gas guzzlers' might seem like an unfair competitive advantage for the makers of cars with the approved hybrid engines..... these are Honda and Toyota. Surely we have no interest in giving these manufacturers a hand, or do we?

http://www.iht.com/articles/1997/01/30/toy.t_0.php - http://www.iht.com/articles/1997/01/30/toy.t_0.php

That was back in 97 - with such investment on the table I find it unlikely Toyota etal wouldn't do all it takes to protect it. Well they can thank new labour for a big helping hand in getting their product of the ground.



Posted By: Bumble
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 3:55pm
I forgot to mention..... the champions of capitalism, once again, the champions of protectionism.


Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 4:39pm
" As for the 'running over children' argument, hello... it's a parents responsibility to keep a child from running into oncoming traffic- put 'em on a leash if they incompetent of knowing 1,000kg + of steel travelling at 30mph is gonna do some damage irrespective of whether it's got a landy badge on the front."

I totally agree. I think that as a race we are being too soft. I am all for Darwins survival of the fittest here. If you are stupid enough to get hit by a car (be it a mini or a bus) you don't really deserve to be on this planet anyway! There is mildly graphic advert on road safety being aired on tv at the moment which is supposed to depict a kid mucking about who runs onto the road without looking and gets hit by a car. The point of the advert is supposed to raise the issue about speeding in built up areas, bit for me, only goes to show that it doesn't matter how fast a car is moving DON'T jump in front of it!



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Posted By: Ellie
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 4:52pm

what i dont like is the parent who insist on driving their kids to school in their 4x4s when school is a 10 min walk away! (this is in london so it must take at least 20 mins for them to drive the distance) they just clog up they roads and normally its some insane mother behind the wheel who thinks she owns the road and refuses to check her mirrors before reversing even tho (coz she is outside a school!) there are loads of little kids wandering round!  i have nearly been taken out a couple of times and i have seen it happen to others so its not just me. they are absolute fools! it really winds me...and im grumpy at the mo anyway coz i haven't been sailing for 2 weeks so anything i can rant about is good to vent the stress

ho hum thats me done anyway...



Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 5:42pm
i can rant at people who dont check their mirrors before pulling out of their car park space in front of a school: i ride my bike to and from school every day. i ride past a primary school with all the little kids shouting and screaming at each other. i have the sense to ride through here very slowly with half my brakes on the whole way. some idiot shoves their kid out into the street infront of me then shreiks at me for "riding my bike in an iresponsible way in a crowded area" which i wasnt doing anyway. a little bit further along someone pulls out from the side of the road without checking and knocks me off my bike. says "oo im so sorry i didnt see you are you alright?" i say im fine and i get shouted at again for riding irresponsibly!! what did i do wrong????? now my favourite trick is to knock on the windows of cars that  are about to pull out. i have been shouted at more which is probably reasonable but ive never been shunted off my bike again.

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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 6:31pm
When you get stuck behind them being (badly) drive down the middle of a road you will hate them too.

It is fun watching them trying to park in Tesco's though.

My point is they are totally uneccessary for most people when a normal car will do the job, polluting less and causing less hassle. Think of the amount of congestion that can be reduced if city dwellers had shorter cars (there was a study on this a few years back, the results were quite eye opening).

Anyone remember the furore about 'bull bars' a few years back, how many do we see on vehicles these days?

Again just another craze/status symbol.

Rant over.....I just find most 4x4 drivers either can't drive or think they own the road (with some exceptions as always).

I'll stick to my car that costs me £110 a year to tax as opposed to £210 (like my borther in law will have to pay).

As for the opposition getting in.....the devil you know or the devil you don't. Does it really make any difference in the long run?


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Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 8:38pm
Guess why I don't vote??????? Tories, Labour, Lib-Dem, all the same nonsence at the end of the day....... Only voted for the Scottish National Party as it would give Scotland Independance and increase my chances of selection for the Olympics, sailing the 49er, as Scotland would be entering their own entries and would not be under GBR.

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Posted By: laser47
Date Posted: 24 Mar 06 at 10:52pm
nah its got to be Monster Raving Loony Party all the way

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Posted By: mike ellis
Date Posted: 25 Mar 06 at 4:01pm
i was wondering when they would be bought up

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Posted By: Bumble
Date Posted: 25 Mar 06 at 4:11pm

Visit the Web site..... http://omrlp.brinkster.net/Manicfesto2005.asp - http://omrlp.brinkster.net/Manicfesto2005.asp

You have got to love the manifesto: "Our team of experts has decided that Income Tax has not proved popular with the public and will therefore be abolished. It was started in order to finance the Napoleonic war in 1799 and we now believe that the time is right to announce the cessation of hostilities with Napoleon. Some of the money left in the coffers will be used to fill in our part of the Channel Tunnel in case no one has mentioned it to the French. Any remaining money will be strategically placed on a horse at the 3-30 at Haydock Park at odds of at least 12/1 in order to see us through until the next election."

And my favorite: "We will issue a 99p coin to save on change."



Posted By: gecko_girl
Date Posted: 25 Mar 06 at 5:41pm
Purely out of interest, how many of you, over the age of 18, voted in the last election? If you did, what were your reasons for doing so? If you didn't what were yours for not doing so?


Posted By: Bumble
Date Posted: 25 Mar 06 at 6:45pm

I did not. I did not because I none of the parties, who had candidates in my area of residence represented any change to the status quo I considered benificial to myself or the greater populous.

I also hoped (nievely I know) that a none vote would be considered as voter apathy and questions would be asked as to why so many people do no vote. I was a fool because the conclusions instantly drawn was that voter apathy was due to people not 'understanding politics' (frankly insulting) and it not being 'accessible enough' for the younger generation..... solution, throw money at some Labour sponsor to develop online/.mobilephone/internet etc voting scheme.

In the previous labour landslide I went to the polling booth to register my 'none vote/ will to not vote/ abstension (spelling) and I found there was no such recognision which to me at that time said much. I have subsequentally moved to a foreign country and now pay my tax to people who cannot (due to public will) use the money to further their friends/ and their own interests.

Brtitian is a sad place for people starting out in life, and an even sadder place for those who are not players of the bigger capitalist game, but if you have property, a solid job and a good motivation to live, I see little place for complacency. Problem in the UK is too many people moan with nothing to moan about..... which marginalses the real complainers....... the true strugglers. I just wish middle England could count their blesssings rather than read the Mail and moan all day about things which come back to them 5 fold. - For all of you........... you should see how things are in a place where people can still remember what it is like to not be able to eat.!!!! 



Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 25 Mar 06 at 9:28pm
I voted, simply, as Bumble said, because there is no way of returning an empty seat to the commons if you don't like any of the candidates.So I voted for who I thought was least worst, and they lost. I think ballot papers should have a "none of the above" box, and if more people tick that the parties would get the message that we think they are cr&p and maybe do something about it. Some hope.

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Posted By: phantom_iv
Date Posted: 25 Mar 06 at 9:43pm
I voted for the candidate who sent me the least junk mail in the run-up to
the election. Unfortunately the candidate who sent me the most junk mail
won, thus winning a victory for junk mail and spammers everywhere


Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 26 Mar 06 at 12:24am

Originally posted by gecko_girl

Purely out of interest, how many of you, over the age of 18, voted in the last election? If you did, what were your reasons for doing so? If you didn't what were yours for not doing so?

I voted purely for the reasons I said beforehand, I won't vote in England (where I live now) because it won't make a difference to my life....... How many people can tell the difference between Pepsi, Coke and Tesco Coca-Cola, the same applies to politics, it's not what you say, it's how you brand it!



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Posted By: phantom_iv
Date Posted: 26 Mar 06 at 8:03am
Originally posted by 49erGBR735HSC


How many people can tell the difference between Pepsi, Coke and Tesco
Coca-Cola, the same applies to politics, it's not what you say, it's how you
brand it!



If you can't taste the difference then you might as well drink tesco cola. I
probably couldn't tell the difference between pepsi and tesco cola, but coca-
cola from pepsi is very different.

This sums up pepsi:


Posted By: timnoyce
Date Posted: 26 Mar 06 at 12:17pm
...in your opinion...

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Posted By: 49erGBR735HSC
Date Posted: 26 Mar 06 at 5:52pm

Pepsi all the way!!!!!!!!

Should hold a vote on this, stuff the politics



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