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Topic: Purchase inquiry
Posted By: Mikelo
Subject: Purchase inquiry
Date Posted: 20 Sep 23 at 4:14pm
Hello everyone,

I am going to buy a Marlin 13ft Ian Procton design and I am having a hard time finding similar boats and I am wondering if anyone can help me:
- Do you know how much the boat weighs, to buy a trailer.
- How much do you estimate the cost. It comes with daggerboard, rudder, one oar and two sets of sails. Attached are the pictures. I am currently being asked for about 850€ and I like it, it has emotional value in addition to what the boat itself means, but I wanted to know other valuations.



Greetings and thank you very much in advance.





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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 20 Sep 23 at 5:53pm
It looks similar to a Lark, all up weight I'd guess not more that 150kg, maybe 200 with the launching trolly (Google suggests a hull weight of around 100kg). Value, not very much, probably no more than, say, €250 without a road base (and it would have to be complete, with reasonably usable sails and in pretty good condition to be worth that much IMO). Sentimental value though is for you to determine.

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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 20 Sep 23 at 6:27pm
Looks similar construction and age to a MK3 Gull (also Proctor) they are put for sail between £350 £750. I have a MK1 again similar construction. The fore and aft tanks had waterlogged foam that I removed. The foredeck was barely attached so well worth checking out those areas. I think you are pretty determined to buy but this might help in the negotiation.

This is what was in my forward tank, you won’t need to add a hatch, it’s all about how much you time want to spent repairing 

https://tinkboats.com/2022/09/04/gull-restoration-has-started/" rel="nofollow - https://tinkboats.com/2022/09/04/gull-restoration-has-started/


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Posted By: NickA
Date Posted: 20 Sep 23 at 7:46pm
Looks like the sort of boat the seller would pay you to take away!  Especially given the cost of a new road base.


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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 20 Sep 23 at 9:18pm
Originally posted by NickA

Looks like the sort of boat the seller would pay you to take away!  Especially given the cost of a new road base.

I fear I agree. If I were purchasing I might be prepared to pay a nominal 25 quid or something, but basically as a boat with a gold anodised mast and tufnol cleats it is surely well over 50 years old and as it's of an of an obscure/extinct class, pretty much valueless.


Posted By: Mikelo
Date Posted: 20 Sep 23 at 9:55pm
Really thanks for your help. I think that I should negociate.

I am going to wait for other answers but It's clear.

Really thanks to everybody


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 21 Sep 23 at 5:35am
Originally posted by NickA

Looks like the sort of boat the seller would pay you to take away!  Especially given the cost of a new road base.
Maybe not a future racing but there are plenty of old boats in the dinghy park that could give years of fun. Hours per year my £360 eBay 55+ year old boat is getting more use and more enjoyable sailing any boat in the past 45 years of sailing. 


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Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 21 Sep 23 at 7:37am
Where is the boat?

This will impact on value, I note that that the price quoted is in euros and the European market will be very different to the UK market.

In the UK that, bluntly, is barely worth £85 never mind £850 unless it ticks boxes for you that nothing else does. You do see similar boats for sale in places like Dartmouth and Salcombe at what seem to me to be ridiculous prices but they sell and do get used - value is in the eye of the purchaser!

Some people derive great pleasure from owning something unusual and if you're not racing the lack of available parts and sails doesn't matter. But these people tend to be enthusiasts bordering on anoraks with lots of time to spend putting their pride and joy back together.

To directly answer the question if the boat is about 12ft long it will need a Mersea 220 size trolley/trailer or equivalent. The larger, more common, 250 is likely to be very nose heavy based on my experience. New this cost approx £1200, good luck finding a used one that doesn't come with a free boat! The trolley under the boat will not fit properly on a road base and doesn't look to be very strong. The balance point also looks wrong with the axle too far forward.

Weight of the boat isnt going to be. problem, the suspension units are always at least 150kg, usually 250kg snd you wont get anywhere near the limit.

You can get a reasonable plastic GP14 with a combi for around £1200 that - in my view - would do a better job.


Posted By: Mikelo
Date Posted: 21 Sep 23 at 7:53am
Good. Thank you very much for your informative answer.

Following the thread of the conversation:

The boat is in Murcia in the south of Spain (I am also from Spain), so it has not been very battered by the weather. I am being offered a second hand trailer with papers for 800€ for that boat, but I was looking to buy a new one as I think it would be better. Specifically I saw this one:

https://www.goliath-store.com/marine_en/light-sailing-dinghies-carts.html


The CH-3DS, which although it says that are 3.5 meters long, I think that if you leave a little over will not be a problem, plus it loads 200Kg and costs 400 €.

Regarding the boat... I have to negotiate, I think that at most I would give 400 or 500€, but I'm still waiting for more opinions. Sincerely I am a little romantic of the objects, I know that for 1000€ I can see snipes and other categories, but it seems to me in a way a little piece of history, plus it is from a friend. But I don't want to pay for the friendship either : )

Could you give me your opinion about the trailer?




Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 21 Sep 23 at 10:48am
That price is for the trolly alone (and not the one shown but the more skeletal single spine version) the whole combination in its cheapest form is €1659. I wouldn't be spending that much on a trailer for a €250 boat*.

* mates rates and top money at that, I was being generous in my earlier post but, realistically, as Nick and Jim say, it has no real value.


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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 21 Sep 23 at 1:02pm
Have had a quick look on eBay.es and inautio etc, prices are a lot higher than here. Couple of boats on eBay would be club freebies here, around a thousand euros in Spain.
Demand must be higher than supply.

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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 21 Sep 23 at 1:28pm
We are very lucky here in the UK in that we have a glut of boats from the dinghy boom that other countries simply don’t have. The dinghy park manager may have the opposite point of view

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Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 21 Sep 23 at 3:58pm
I suspect that’s on the money in Spain.

Good luck with the purchase.


Posted By: Mikelo
Date Posted: 21 Sep 23 at 7:09pm
Thank you very much for all your contributions. I will give it a try before making a final decision.

If you are right, here maybe the boats are a bit more expensive, but I don't know. You are very lucky to be from the father country of the dinghy!

Greetings to all and good bow Smile


Posted By: Dougaldog
Date Posted: 27 Sep 23 at 4:53pm
Hi there Mikelo, que tal?
There are a couple of points that haven't come up yet. Hull weight was 95 kg, but they were pretty robustly built BUT... in this instance I'd want to take a very careful look at the hull where it has been sat on a poor quality launching trolly. Has the weight of the hull started to deform the hull where it hasn't been properly supported (the term for this is 'hogged')- just from your picture that would be the first thing i'd look at.
Even in Spain 800+ euros is a lot of money for a boat of that age - that would be all of 50 years old now and you can see from the rust streaks at the chain plates that this is going to need work doing, which equates to more money being spent!
It is a shame as the Marlin, certainly the Mark 3, was a lovely boat, here in the UK you could almost see it as a 'mini-Kestrel' but they certainly sailed well. Comparisons with the Gull, yet another Proctor design, are misplaced as the Marlin was quicker than an Enterprise. I've long held that a well rigged one, set up to fly the decent sized spinnaker that the rules allowed, was a very handy boat to be in when racing on a handicap basis (I say this with some feeling having been accused of 'banditry' when I raced one and recorded a number of wins) - I liked it a lot.
You might ask then why, if it was an 'ok' boat - not a great one, but far from a bad one, why the boat didn't prosper.  The sector that it was targeted at was super competitive, the Larks and Enterprises plus  the GPs and all the others in the 13 to 14 foot range were dominant yet at the same time the phenomena that was the Mirror was just exploding and it was clear just what the Marlin was. The promotional material called it a 'general purpose' dinghy but the Mirror, GP14 and Wayfarer had that angle covered from small, to medium then large.  As a training boat it was maybe a bit too slippery, although you could get the smaller set of cruising sales as an option. It could have been pushed as a club racing boat and with the bigger rig and spinnaker it certainly worked at that BUT..... there were so many other really good boats already offering great racing under the umbrella of an established class structure.
None of this really helps you (except the warning to check the hull shape where it has sat on the trailer) but I hope this works as 'background' for you. One thing though is near certain! As long as the sails are reasonable, you will enjoy sailing it, the Marlin was always a lovely little boat, pure Proctor!
Dougal




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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 27 Sep 23 at 5:00pm
Hi Dougal
My only comparison with the Gull was the construction so similar issues to my Gull should be looked for. 



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