laser and there prices.
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Topic: laser and there prices.
Posted By: carshalton fc
Subject: laser and there prices.
Date Posted: 17 Jan 06 at 5:40pm
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wow i have just looked at the laser spares site and the price of a 4k main has gone up from £750 to 772, jib £335 to 345, spinni £640 to 659 now that isnt just a little increase it is massive they are over priced anyway. talk about pulling my pants down and ------------- International 14 1503 |
me. it is just mad. 
its not even like the sails have got better. 
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Posted By: Sumo
Date Posted: 17 Jan 06 at 6:01pm
| Here lies the danger for some of the older smods when it becomes cheaper to buy a 2nd hand boat and break it for spares rather than buy new parts! |
Posted By: Scooby_simon
Date Posted: 17 Jan 06 at 6:14pm
Why is that so shocking a price rise ? It is about 3%. Would not have a problem with that given the current rate of inflation. ------------- Wanna learn to Ski - PM me.. |
Posted By: carshalton fc
Date Posted: 17 Jan 06 at 6:34pm
no its the fact that the prices are to extrme anyway. it is rediculouis. the problem is laser have no compertion so they can charge what ever they want. it is silly ------------- International 14 1503 |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 17 Jan 06 at 7:34pm
I think all that can be said here is: ------------- |
Posted By: Rob.e
Date Posted: 17 Jan 06 at 8:09pm
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What happens is that eventually someone comes up with "training sails" at 2/3 the price for people to use in club racing, as has happened with Laser 1 and Topper sails. Don't know how good they are.... The other option is to allow competition, which is fine if you have a stable design, as in the Solo, but if there is still development (Phantoms?) you can have an (expensive) arms race. 'Course, Laser want to keep the profits in house. All in all, it's another example of why SMOD's aren't always a good thing! ------------- |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 17 Jan 06 at 9:17pm
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I can confirm the Laser 1 training sails are good and of good quality. We have a number of people who use them for c;ub racing (we have bent the class rules a bit). One of the aims of the club I am in is to keep sailing affordable, allowing the use of non-standard sails is one of the best ways of doing it. Of course for Opens everyone has to use a genuine class legal sail. (One of the other reasons for changing class - Laser 1 mainsail around £400 for a bedsheet, Blaze mainsail around £450 for a good quality laminate sail....enough said). As for there being an arms race in Phantoms I disagree, you always get that with multiple sail makers in a class and they tend to rotate round, just the benefit of having several sailmakers, you do get a choice when you buy (and the sails are continually developed). Paul ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: allanorton
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 7:28am
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Also most sailmakers reduce their prices in winter, laser never really do this with their sails. |
Posted By: Olly4088
Date Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 11:38am
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With laser you also find that there are hiden prices aswell just watch out for them. ------------- Phantom 1298 |
Posted By: BBSCFaithfull
Date Posted: 21 Jan 06 at 10:04am
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Laser really do try to screw every last penny out of us. I mean it cant cost that much to make them? A set of sails for an 800 is cheaper, and by cheaper i mean 224 quid cheaper FOR BIGGER AND BETTER SAILS! I mean 1779 quid for 3 sails is really taking the buiscit. Come on laser sort your life out. ------------- Greatfully Sponsored By www.allgoodfun.com Int 14 GBR 1503!! |
Posted By: kevg
Date Posted: 21 Jan 06 at 12:35pm
They did for Laser 2000 sails. They had a boat show special/class association deal. I got a new genny for £70 less. Worth asking the L4k class to neogatiate a similar deal?
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Posted By: Hector
Date Posted: 21 Jan 06 at 1:47pm
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Laser are expensive - not sure that makes them a rip off. They have to pay for flashy Boat Show stands, high cost of several staff, high stock levels, large premises, huge marketing effort with expensive advertising and so on. That could explain why they charge more than most but doesn't explain why RS sails are cheaper. |
Posted By: Troy_Tempest
Date Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 2:40pm
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May be best to purchase a set of training sails, and only use the laser ones for racing! |
Posted By: Bogg Inne
Date Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 2:58pm
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i hear L4000 sails were less 10% at london boatshow as they do every year ! ------------- If it ain't broke - break it |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 3:10pm
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Hector's right. Its a question of "you get what you pay for" and all the promotion and marketing and so on is part of what you pay for. It ought to keep up the value of secondhand boats and so on, so its in your interest that they do it.
OK, in the less manufacturer driven classes we don't have to pay for that stuff, but it means we don't get it either and it affects the demand for boats etc |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 24 Jan 06 at 6:59pm
Dump Laser and buy from Rooster, they told me exactly what I could and couldn't get on the insurance claim :-) (as well as being very friendly and helpful in to the bargain). Just to point out I have no connection with Rooster Sailing aside from being a happy customer! Paul ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Strawberry
Date Posted: 27 Jan 06 at 2:11pm
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And you call development classes chequebook sailing?? ------------- Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry |
Posted By: Harry44981!
Date Posted: 27 Jan 06 at 4:18pm
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Chequebook sailing implies that whoever can sheel out the most cash to buy better kit wins. With SMODs, everyone pays the same amount for the same kit, however extortionate the prices are. ------------- |
Posted By: Isis
Date Posted: 27 Jan 06 at 5:27pm
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But how often do people pay the same amount for the same kit? I doubt
many of the front half of a championship laser fleet will be using
sails more than a season old
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Posted By: stuarthop
Date Posted: 27 Jan 06 at 11:57pm
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one of the reason why i started sailing development classes was because it is so much cheaper ------------- |