Where next for the Youth worlds
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Topic: Where next for the Youth worlds
Posted By: john80
Subject: Where next for the Youth worlds
Date Posted: 21 Jun 21 at 7:27pm
| Given Oman is hosting the Youth Worlds in 2021. Maybe we should give the governing body of our sport some more ideas for more unsuitable venues. Maybe it will be an educational experience for those young female sailors to go to a country where women are routinely discriminated against and migrant workers are essentially slaves. At least in Formula 1 there is big money to be handed over and significant commercial interests to satisfy. Here was me thinking sailing was a bit cleaner than this. |
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 21 Jun 21 at 7:47pm
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Look on the positive side, Oman authorities allowing a prestigious sporting event to go ahead, that shows females competing on an International stage, women in Oman can see that they can do sports etc. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 21 Jun 21 at 9:04pm
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North Korea next, please! ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: dohertpk
Date Posted: 21 Jun 21 at 10:34pm
| It's a classic example of 'sportswashing' though. China is doing/has done it with the Olympics and QATAR is doing it with the World Cup. Countries with somewhat dodgy human rights records routinely use prestigious sporting events to purchase credit on the geopolitical stage and project an image of their country as modern and progressive. |
Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 22 Jun 21 at 6:28am
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Germany did it in 1936 ------------- Happily living in the past |
Posted By: skslr
Date Posted: 22 Jun 21 at 6:56am
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And it would have been a lot better to not give it to "us" back then... When Germany wanted to apply for the 2024 summer Olympics with Hamburg as the main spot for the competitions (sailing would have been - again - in Kiel) the citizens in Hamburg voted against it. 50 % of all citizens entitled to vote participated, most of them were concerned that it would just have been a giant waste of tax money. A good sign that the democracy and human rights situation improved in Germany since 1936, but it leads to limiting the choice to the "dodgy" countries of today ...
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Posted By: john80
Date Posted: 22 Jun 21 at 7:03am
I am sure the women of Oman will be delighted to do some me sailing between their fight for equal rights. Beyond financial ineptitude world sailing needs to have a word with itself. |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 22 Jun 21 at 9:02am
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Save a lot of disputes and money, move everything to Greece, let the World build a super centre, money saved can be used to bring poorer nations into the mix.
I am not bothered about winter Olympics, stick it anywhere. (added this because someone was bound to bring it up). ------------- Robert |
Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 22 Jun 21 at 9:11am
| Having travelled and studied the region extensively, including broad engagement with male and female academics, thinkers, politicians and religious leaders, I genuinely believe that this sort of event/activity is a help not a hindrance to advancing equality in states such as Oman. |
Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 22 Jun 21 at 11:02am
| The Olympics is to sport = Eurovision is to music. |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 22 Jun 21 at 11:08am
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I'm not sure Oman is quite as bad as all that, my daughter worked there for a year as a nanny, driving kids around, life for women there aint quite as bad as Saudi, she worked for an Omanian woman who is an architect, women can work & drive freely, it's a far more progressive state than most out there. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 22 Jun 21 at 8:44pm
Interesting PoV, can see what you are driving at, but care to elaborate? ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 24 Jun 21 at 9:47am
| ....watch out everyone, Rupert's bored. |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 24 Jun 21 at 12:24pm
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ABBA, Bucks Fizz, what's wrong with Eurovision? Not forgetting all the other acts, just can't think who they were? Quiz night? ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 24 Jun 21 at 6:12pm
Not bored, too busy a season for that, just would like to hear more! The circus certainly takes precedence over the talent in both, but the Olympic talent is actually the best, isn't it? ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 24 Jun 21 at 7:04pm
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Because of investment of cash and resources for commercial or political gain (plus drugs by some) they do tend to be the best at what they do but are they the best at their particular sport? The answer to that rather depends on how you define sport. If other individuals in poorer nations had the same or similar "investment" would the current best still be the best? I doubt it. |
Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 25 Jun 21 at 10:06am
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.....and I suppose it makes sense to get the youth used to the atmosphere in the Big Top (using your metaphore). Oman is as good as anywhere for that purpose. Also: The problem with Elitism is that it produces too many failures. If only folk could learn to like themselves a little bit more, they might then escape the almost inevitable feeling of not being good enough. Sailing as a sport is a good pass time, it being in varying degrees technical, intuitive, physical and a damn good adventure. Does it really need the Circus? As kids on the estate we used to meet at a local playing field to play footy on Sundays. 20-25 of us, self organised, self reffing and all there with the sole purpose of doing something together with friends and having a right laugh while we were at it. |
Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 25 Jun 21 at 11:28am
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On these last three paras, exactly Sussex Lad. There are plenty of competent, safe, intuitive sailors out there who seldom win much and they are most definitely not failures.
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 25 Jun 21 at 12:08pm
| I have my doubts about these events for slightly different reasons. I've noted that some of our youngsters, by the age of 18, have sailed in the biggest championship fleets they're ever going to, sailed pretty much as high profile events as they're ever going to, pretty much done everything with precious little to look forward to except maybe do an Olympics. I would vote to ban even Nationals for junior classes, nothing bigger than regional events, to take out high pressure events and keep travel costs down. |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 25 Jun 21 at 12:09pm
As to the Olympics you have only to look at Windsurfing which has been Olympic for I can't remember how long, but ask a Windsurfer to name Olympic Windsurfing Champions, I doubt he/she would remember many if any but ask them to name windsurfing hot shots and not one of them would necessarily be an Olympian. Same with Snowboard, and probably BMX, Skate, Surf and all the other action sports the circus has latched onto in a pecuniary attempt at relevance and TV. The Olympics may be Elite and a great pathway to that end, but it aint the only game in town. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: polc1410
Date Posted: 20 Jul 21 at 11:03pm
If you are the top kid in the region... This *may* make sense (although surely you want to be competing against the best. But if you are the third top in the region... That means you will never know if you are 3rd in the country or 33rd. I'm confused though. Your main argument seems to be "precious little to look forward to" as a reason not to enjoy what they are doing!? This (a) doesn't just apply to sailing - it applies to every sport where the Olympics is the pinnacle event presumably? No point competing at Gymnastics beyond the region. You will be old and knackered and have nothing to look forward to before you know it. Don't let little Jimmy do the 400m beyond county level, or when he is old he will regret it. Has a local squad sailor beaten you at a race and it annoyed you? If you make regional events the "peak" you will just make those events more pressured. Travel is unlikely to be the biggest cost at the top end of events, at least until they start traveling abroad. Very Top end sailors want top end boats. Most have private coaching. Most will be in squads with coaching camps etc. They may well be spending £5k a year on their sailing... I am not 100% sure what the circus is. If it is the race organisation etc, that will be needed at the now very important regional event. Is it the coaches, the parents etc? Who do you think runs the events? I can host a 200+ junior event at a club with no concern of finding volunteers to lay marks etc. Give me a 40 boat adult event... And I struggle... I've long seen it claimed that junior sailors suck clubs dry when they join squads because parents are always away etc. They are not ALWAYS away. But they are away a fair bit. I've also seen it said that juniors stop sailing at 19, go to Uni etc and that it the end of it. I was starting to believe it. But in the last 3 years at my club, there has been a return of about 10 adult couples who stopped / slower down / faded away when Uni arrived. Now in their 40's they have children old enough to sail... The cycle will begin again... They come back... But 20 years on. Play the long game folks. |