Europes - 51 boats at the Nationals…
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Topic: Europes - 51 boats at the Nationals…
Posted By: Bootscooter
Subject: Europes - 51 boats at the Nationals…
Date Posted: 15 Jun 21 at 8:31am
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Incredible number, all things considered, and seemingly bucking the trend.
We’ll be doing a survey of all entrants, but as we know, perception is everything, so why do you think the Class is having such a revival? https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/238541/UK-Europe-Nationals-at-the-WPNSA-preview" rel="nofollow - https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/238541/UK-Europe-Nationals-at-the-WPNSA-preview |
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Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 15 Jun 21 at 8:37am
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Maybe because it is a dedicated lightweights singlehander? Affordable entry level if you can track down a secondhand boat. The two obvious lightweights alternatives are detuned versions of the optimal rigged boats? WPSNA is a top rate venue that is worth the journey? They have an energetic CA? We (Solos) shared an event there with them a few years back, it looked like they were having a great time. ------------- Happily living in the past |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 15 Jun 21 at 8:52am
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It must be the CA: its always the CA!
I suspect it doesn't do any harm that its not a first choice as a youth class either. It seems to me that really strong youth classes tend to lose adult participation at major championships. |
Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 15 Jun 21 at 9:00am
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Perhaps because it’s a nice little boat, it has enough options to be able to tune the rig to the sailor so it’s not a plonk the mast in and go and let’s be honest there’s a lot of two man teams that couldnt sail together for such a long time I think you’ll see some great single handed entries this year. ------------- Musto Skiff and Solo sailor |
Posted By: By The Lee
Date Posted: 15 Jun 21 at 9:30am
| ILCA class national entry also looking great numbers up in all three fleets! |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 15 Jun 21 at 11:27am
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51 Boats? That's great, really good to see so many girls racing. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 15 Jun 21 at 11:46am
Would be ideal for you, you'd the only person who could tack it stood up ------------- Everything I say is my opinion, honest |
Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 15 Jun 21 at 11:54am
While it does massively suit the slighter sailor, there’s a few of us racing (and doing well) at 80kg+👍🏽 |
Posted By: Bootscooter
Date Posted: 15 Jun 21 at 11:55am
That was the 2019 Nationals - really good event and great to share with the Solos👍🏽 |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 15 Jun 21 at 12:01pm
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Well done. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 15 Jun 21 at 2:52pm
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Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 15 Jun 21 at 6:12pm
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80kg is the lighter sailor in my book Seriously there are quite a few offerings for the lighter person that are seriously compromised for one reason or another. The Europe is not one of them. IMO some sailors would have a far better sailing experience in a Europe than by being seduced by some of the SMOD offerings. I remember Bungy Taylor building and racing them at Salcombe and they looked very good. ------------- Happily living in the past |
Posted By: maxibuddah
Date Posted: 16 Jun 21 at 7:39am
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You are right there David, but I guess once dropped from the Olympics they dropped off the radar of most people, who probably shunned them as being 'girls' boats because of the Olympics. Now that has passed into slightly more distant memories, people are discovering they are great boats for everyone and with the enthusiastic CA promoting them folks are trying them out. The only downside is of course now you can't find any to buy/sail and may be the impetous will be lost. I certainly hope not. ------------- Everything I say is my opinion, honest |
Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 16 Jun 21 at 8:48am
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I guess that the problem down the road is that as the class gets more competitive people will shift to new expensive boats and make the cheap old boats seem less competitive, I have seen this with club fleets and I am not sure how you avoid it ------------- Happily living in the past |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 16 Jun 21 at 9:49am
Isn't every boat compromised in one way or another? In the case of the Europe I would point fingers at the antiquated rig planform and the ridiculously low boom. Still very nice boats though. |
Posted By: H2
Date Posted: 17 Jun 21 at 9:23am
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Well done - that is great news! For some reason I tend to put the Europe / OK / Finn in the same category in my head (probably because of the nature of the rig / boom level / tuning approach) but just with different target weights for each. If I was a wippet I would certainly love to sail one. Its great that such a boat exists and is flourishing for the lighter helms - well done!! ------------- H2 #115 (sold) H2 145 OK 2082 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 17 Jun 21 at 1:36pm
By wippet I assume you mean a normal human being with weight between 65 and 75 kilos, so not obese? (Obesity starts at 80 kgs).  ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Gordon 1430
Date Posted: 17 Jun 21 at 2:10pm
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I am sure he means someone of average height 6ft ------------- Gordon Phantom 1430 |
Posted By: H2
Date Posted: 18 Jun 21 at 8:34am
Obese is better linked to the percentage of a persons body weight which is fat. Using body weight as a proxy for body fat works as a rough gauge but is irrelevant in many sports. You are welcome to come call me obese if you want ------------- H2 #115 (sold) H2 145 OK 2082 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 18 Jun 21 at 9:10am
I'd heard H2s were rapidly replacing Phantoms as chariots of obesity.. just saying
It won't be long before you get the delights of maxibuddah and his friends from the planet pie, spewing gravy all over your stand at the dinghy show.. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: H2
Date Posted: 18 Jun 21 at 9:37am
The H2 fleet is certainly growing well - if you ordered today you would be waiting for your boat build slot till well into 2022 with a new boat built every three weeks and its been great to see a number of well known helms buying new or used boats to get into the fleet. And yes - the boat seems to accommodate weight well in that we regularly have a big spread of helm weight at the front of the fleet from 70kg to in excess of 100kg probably because the hull can carry the weight, the rig is powerful but also able to be de-powered by the lighter guys. But I personally think a big driver to the class taking off is that it is a friendly and welcoming class which I suspect is something we have in common with the Europe's! ------------- H2 #115 (sold) H2 145 OK 2082 |