Around the Island?
Printed From: Yachts and Yachting Online
Category: Dinghy classes
Forum Name: Dinghy development
Forum Discription: The latest moves in the dinghy market
URL: http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13734
Printed Date: 29 Jun 25 at 2:40am
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 9.665y - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: Around the Island?
Posted By: Mozzy
Subject: Around the Island?
Date Posted: 03 Jan 21 at 9:50pm
|
Around the isle of wight from hayling in a dinghy.
What needs to be thought about? Anyone got any pointers? |
Replies:
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 03 Jan 21 at 9:54pm
A packed lunch, plenty of water, flares, a compass in case of fog (mobile phone in waterproof bag and nav app to you snowflakes) oh and keep the tide on your lee bow as much as possible..(If it''s not on your stern)  ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 03 Jan 21 at 10:26pm
|
And a VHF handheld... ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 04 Jan 21 at 7:06am
|
When will you be doing it?
Racing or for fun? ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Mozzy
Date Posted: 04 Jan 21 at 9:10am
|
Just for fun. So we can decide tides, wind forecast and starting time. I was wondering if there was an accepted quicker way round. Or a accepted time to set off with the tide. |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 04 Jan 21 at 9:56am
|
Google the 'Round the island race' bound to be details, almost certain they go anticlockwise. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Dougaldog
Date Posted: 04 Jan 21 at 11:39am
|
Mozzy - having done the trip from Hisc (albeit in a quick keelboat the single biggest factor is the breeze - a southerly is perfect, though you tend to get quite a wind bend in the western solent making that more of a skewed beat.... but if you get the tides right, the ebb will spit you out at the Needles - at which point you can close reach to St Cats... and then it's more or less downhill all the way home (you don't want to be doing the final leg, from Bembridge Ledge to HISC as a beat at the end of the day, that's a ball breaker and a half). It depends on the dinghy and how quickly you think you can make it to the Needles - you want the ebb there and then the changing tide to carry you eastbound around the back of the Island ( not many easy places to pull over on the leg to St Cats... it gets easier after that). In the end, it is all about the timing - and preparation..... Dougal ------------- Dougal H |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 04 Jan 21 at 11:45am
| Support boat for breakdowns |
Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 04 Jan 21 at 12:59pm
| Might be useful to give the Osprey fleet a shout, a handful of them did it a couple of years ago. |
Posted By: Mozzy
Date Posted: 04 Jan 21 at 1:12pm
|
In the 800. In about 10-15 knots we do 7-10 knots at VMG upwind angle... hopefully we won't have to many square beats. 70-100 TWA can be a bit tricky. Should be able to do windspeed but it's a lot of steering. 100-120 and it will be a dog leg with kite/no kite. Again, all at wind speed. Then from 120 below you're kite up, with little control on gybe angle, but doing windspeed. I reckon in 10-15 knots we should average 10 knots boat speed through the water. |
Posted By: Dougaldog
Date Posted: 04 Jan 21 at 1:14pm
|
and not just the Ospreys.... people do 'the Island' on a fairly regular basis - it is a long day out on the water, even in a quicker dinghy/cat. I collected all the details of the big RTI Dinghy Race from 1953 when doing the research for the 5o5 book (as the UK front runners for the IYRU Trials used it to prepare) - back then they allowed the Firefly and N12s to enter - in the days before self bailers and transom flaps - so no risk assessment there! Get wind and tide right and it is a superb sail - the back of the Island is so pretty and you get a real sense of being out on the wide blue yonder. At the same time, the back of the Island can become a scary place very quickly - it is always worth having that 'Plan B' up your sleeve, just in case! D ------------- Dougal H |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 04 Jan 21 at 1:25pm
Sounds exciting, something to break the monotony, plenty of videos please  ------------- Robert |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 04 Jan 21 at 4:49pm
|
800's a good choice, one of them smashed the Round Sheppy one year when the wind was right, think it broke the record for mono's, they absolutely creamed the start with the kite up, poetry to watch. Sheppy aint the IOW but it's a fair slog and can catch you out with underwater obstacles which I've seen total the odd B14 in full endo, good luck with your plan, keep us in the loop with links to whatever vids you shoot. Is there a Record for a mono rounding? Another person to check out with, Dan Holman, didn't he take the Punk round once? ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Mozzy
Date Posted: 05 Jan 21 at 10:10am
|
So, assuming anti-clockwise rotation, what time relative to HW at Lymington do I need to be passing the needles? Hopefully from that I can back calculate a departure time for any given day. |
Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 05 Jan 21 at 4:05pm
| I guess for best tidal gates you’d need to model several wind directions and forces or are you just going to wait for record conditions? In which case the this might be useful http://www.winningtides.co.uk/ |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 05 Jan 21 at 5:01pm
|
I would pick a bank holiday Sunday, gives you Saturday to prepare and Monday to recover, May day, roughly halfway through the year and hopefully will be covid relaxed. https://tides4fishing.com/uk/england/lymington#_tides ------------- Robert |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 05 Jan 21 at 5:27pm
|
http://solentseakayaking.co.uk/routes/lymington-to-the-needles/
Kayakers view to the route. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Pierre
Date Posted: 07 Jan 21 at 4:53pm
|
The Ospreys did it in 2018. Proctor Centenary. Y&Y write up is here https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/210165/Osprey-Proctor-Centenary-Round-The-Island-race" rel="nofollow - Gul Osprey Proctor Centenary Round the Isle of Wight race (yachtsandyachting.com) |
Posted By: Mozzy
Date Posted: 07 Jan 21 at 7:30pm
|
8 and a bit hours seems good going. It will be a bit further from hayling. My biggest worry is it a 15 knot ideal forecast piping up to 20 knots, which could get a bit fruity through hurst or at the overfalls. I'll need to do some research on safety equipment. A couple of dry bag with extra clothing, and subsistence of course. But safety equipment wise I guess flares and a VHF, plus a couple of mobiles. There's not tonnes of room on the 800!
|
Posted By: Oli
Date Posted: 08 Jan 21 at 1:23pm
ecpr requires the follwoing
suppose modern tech could go to ais trackers too either for the boat or ofr the crew.
|