What does Team Ineos need to change?
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Topic: What does Team Ineos need to change?
Posted By: Windermere
Subject: What does Team Ineos need to change?
Date Posted: 29 Dec 20 at 4:17pm
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The racing was hard to watch. Any ideas as to why Britannia was so poor? Foils / Rig / Hull / Systems / Technique? Loose footed main of the Kiwis seems to work really well. They have great control over sail shape. They increase the camber / twist during a tack for acceleration power then quickly flatten it back out. They also have a finer cord on the bottom of the foil arm, and probably on the foil itself . Plus the design of the boat means the crews heads are not sticking up into the airflow. Is it too late for Ben? |
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 29 Dec 20 at 9:32pm
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Their team dynamics before next AC. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 29 Dec 20 at 9:46pm
Very unlikely there will be another team bankroll by the fracker and if there is , no chance sir Ben will be involved
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 29 Dec 20 at 11:30pm
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Its all smoke and mirrors, we're going to win, then go back to 'Cats' proper racing boats. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Lukepiewalker
Date Posted: 04 Jan 21 at 3:05pm
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I think they need to start digging a tunnel so they can escape at half time. Either that, or their updates really need to work ------------- Ex-Finn GBR533 "Pie Hard" Ex-National 12 3253 "Seawitch" Ex-National 12 2961 "Curved Air" Ex-Mirror 59096 "Voodoo Chile" |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 04 Jan 21 at 3:13pm
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Whoever thought up these three legged dogs p**ing up a lamppost, need to take a long look in the mirror. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Chris_H
Date Posted: 06 Jan 21 at 12:15pm
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A step change seems to have happened here .... Maybe the fat lady still has a tune left ...
http://youtu.be/0_RsBpAMlnY" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/0_RsBpAMlnY |
Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 06 Jan 21 at 1:05pm
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Umm
A nice promotional video - showing what really ? |
Posted By: Chris_H
Date Posted: 06 Jan 21 at 1:08pm
Review the December race videos and the INEOS tacks/gybes with respect to the foil movement changes, compared to now. Chalk and cheese
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Posted By: rich96
Date Posted: 06 Jan 21 at 1:30pm
| Fingers (toes, etc etc) crossed |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 06 Jan 21 at 1:52pm
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Americans saying they will go back to keel boats if they win, 60 to 100 footers. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Chris_H
Date Posted: 06 Jan 21 at 3:08pm
All depends what that actually means (if that actually happens). There are plenty of yacht races that encompass boat sizes in that range, so what would be different? It would need to be adventurous designs else what would be the point? AC has always been about design/technology - whatever the class, and life has moved on well past the butt-ugly hippo-shaped pot-bellied 12metres. Anyway, thats off-topic ;-) |
Posted By: Grumpycat
Date Posted: 06 Jan 21 at 3:08pm
| Unlikely, but one can only hope . |
Posted By: Sprint Bob
Date Posted: 22 Feb 21 at 2:58pm
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Sadly INEOS got knocked out of the Prada Cup but the best boat definitely won. Have you tried watching the Mozzy Sails posts on YouTube on the Americas Cup & Prada Cup? If you have not tried watching them watch this on Luna Rossa's tacks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNradCJBZ_U" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNradCJBZ_U Mozzy Sails analysis on the America's Cup is really excellent. There are many of these postings and they are well worth watching. The one (actually in 2 parts) a few days ago on mainsails is also well worth watching. They cover lots of stuff on the sails and how they are controlled. How the teams are taking advantage of the rules. NZ seem to have taken it to the limit by setting the deck very low and the mast ball high. They have then extended the Mainsail below the mast ball by as much as 18 inches so they have got much more sail area. It seems that this is a loop hole in the way that the rules are written. Clearly they planned this months ago when the hull was designed.... |
Posted By: Sprint Bob
Date Posted: 22 Feb 21 at 2:59pm
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These are the mainsail talks if you fancy more... (57) America's Cup Mainsail Systems Revealed: Part 1 - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVaZXPi7Guk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVaZXPi7Guk (57) America's Cup Mainsails: Another ETNZ Loophole! + Mysterious Upper Control Zone - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj-LO__ufWE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj-LO__ufWE These sessions are really informative. Well worth watching...... |
Posted By: Sprint Bob
Date Posted: 22 Feb 21 at 3:03pm
| I think that Mozzy is Tom Morris (RS800 champion) from Hayling Island. He seems to have access to many more video feeds than the normal YouTube coverage on the racing (which is also good, by the way). |