Laser Vangs for club use
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Topic: Laser Vangs for club use
Posted By: Riv
Subject: Laser Vangs for club use
Date Posted: 04 Dec 20 at 1:29pm
Hi all,
It's time to start thinking about new gear for next year. Our 4 boat
fleet has been well used this year.
We might buy enough rigs so that each of the 4 boats have a Radial and a Standard rig available, eight in total
We store the rigs, battens out, sail rolled around the mast inside the
club house. This means eight rigs in total. We have the money to do this it's about working out the details
Booms+battens stay in the boats together with all the other parts
Two of the four boats have Holt Vangs, the other two have mixture of bits
Normally the Holt Vangs we use will be attached to the rig, if we go
this route we will have to buy 6 more vangs. They will cost £160 each so make up a good chunk of our expenditure.
Bearing in mind that these Lasers are used by fairly casual Club sailors
is there foolproof way detaching the vang from the rig and leaving it
in the boat, saving us some money as we would only need two vangs, to
complete the set for the four boats? (This will also reduce the
maintenance load).
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Mistral Div II prototype board, Original Windsurfer, Hornet built'74.
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Replies:
Posted By: ClubRacer
Date Posted: 04 Dec 20 at 4:10pm
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https://www.sailingchandlery.com/products/push-button-quick-release-pin-for-laser-vang-kicker
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Posted By: Riv
Date Posted: 04 Dec 20 at 6:08pm
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Thanks for the link a seemingly good product fatally flawed! "
From the item description: "This has been tested with the official Laser Harken XD kit fitting
and works. The pin may not fit the Holt or Allen replica systems". May not fit, does it or doesn't it?
Please
note, the handle and button are made from aluminium so please wash your
quick release pin very carefully with fresh water after sailing. Oh no!!! Not another SS and Aluminium combination to immerse in an electrolyte and watch the gas bubbles comming off. Can't they do any better? Don't these people ever think.......answer .....No they don't.
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Mistral Div II prototype board, Original Windsurfer, Hornet built'74.
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Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 04 Dec 20 at 6:33pm
I used to use a standard drop nose pin when switching full and radial on my Laser, all SS. Just pick the right size.
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Peter
Ex Cont 707
Ex Laser 189635
DY 59
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Posted By: Wiclif
Date Posted: 04 Dec 20 at 6:43pm
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How about thinking upside down? Attach vangs permanently to the boom, and use a snap hook to snap onto a shackle that is permanently attached to the mast vang fitting
Can’t remember, but this might be the way Minorca sailing does it.
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Posted By: Wiclif
Date Posted: 04 Dec 20 at 6:48pm
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And it is better that the system is not hooked on at both ends, and is different to the standard connections so that they don’t get “borrowed”
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Posted By: ClubRacer
Date Posted: 05 Dec 20 at 5:26pm
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Realistically you cant change the setup on the boom nor use additional fittings at the bottom without making it work properly.
As above the Quick release pin is a nice product but definitely not something I would put on any club boats. The drop nose pin is a good option but from what I saw from reviews they seem to fail and come loose quite a bit.
Although it says it wont fit other than Harken Im sure it does as the mast fittings are all the same
Whats wrong with a pin and a ring?
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Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 05 Dec 20 at 6:46pm
I used to use a pin and ring, but they are a pain to use, and easy to lose the ring, particualrly if your hands are beyond the first flush of use! I've never had a drop nose pin come out, either on the Laser, used for 10+ years on the kicker, or in the last 6 years with one at the top and the bottom of my jib. They are more expensive than a simple clevis pin and ring though .
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Peter
Ex Cont 707
Ex Laser 189635
DY 59
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Posted By: Riv
Date Posted: 05 Dec 20 at 8:34pm
I like the idea of attaching it to the boom in a semi permanent way.
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Mistral Div II prototype board, Original Windsurfer, Hornet built'74.
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 05 Dec 20 at 10:08pm
Are you putting more user friendly outhauls and Cunninghams on, too?
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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686
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Posted By: Riv
Date Posted: 07 Dec 20 at 6:21pm
Yes upgrading to the full XD kit, though I will add a cheek block to the booms so the outhaul will be independent of the mast.
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Mistral Div II prototype board, Original Windsurfer, Hornet built'74.
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Posted By: Andymac
Date Posted: 07 Dec 20 at 6:53pm
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Re outhaul block at gooseneck. I rig my Laser with the outhaul left attached to the boat/boom. A line tied around the mast (above the gooseneck) has a carabiner style fastener to attach to the block. Simples.
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Posted By: Riv
Date Posted: 08 Dec 20 at 7:10pm
Thanks Andymac, good idea, I'll do it.
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Mistral Div II prototype board, Original Windsurfer, Hornet built'74.
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