Dinghy ID
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Topic: Dinghy ID
Posted By: John clarkson
Subject: Dinghy ID
Date Posted: 29 Oct 20 at 8:34pm
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Hi guys
Picked up a project but no one knows what it is No sails so no logos ,no plate on it It's around 16 feet long , I thought Wayfarer but my commodore thinks not?  ------------- John |
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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 29 Oct 20 at 9:56pm
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Not a Wayfarer, they’re double chined. No idea what that might be. Any sails with insignia? Any makers plate on the hull anywhere? ------------- Nick D-Zero 316 |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 29 Oct 20 at 10:02pm
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Features a 'Mirror 16' angle of boat not helping. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Pastyman
Date Posted: 29 Oct 20 at 10:10pm
| Looks like an early Kestrel |
Posted By: John clarkson
Date Posted: 29 Oct 20 at 11:06pm
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Hi
Thanks guys , no there is no markings Of any sort . Hopefully someone will know For definite as more view . Cheers John ------------- John |
Posted By: jaydub
Date Posted: 29 Oct 20 at 11:13pm
I'll second that.
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 30 Oct 20 at 1:15am
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I wondered about Kestrel, but then I thought I saw a wood centreboard. Also does the position of the jib track suggest a large genoa?
To the OP though, when you consider the condition of the decks, need to source sails, replace gear etc etc, I submit that is a project you should pass by. You could spend several hundred quid and end up with a boat worth nearly nothing. There are much better projects almost everywhere. |
Posted By: MerlinMags
Date Posted: 30 Oct 20 at 7:25am
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Jim is right - it must have a large genoa.
Can you measure the length and beam (width) exactly? That will help! |
Posted By: John clarkson
Date Posted: 30 Oct 20 at 7:59am
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Hi
I will do it's about ten miles away So might take a while As to repairs , it is very sound structurally It's fibreglass so no rot Just good clean and paint and boat is Fine . When I decided to try sailing there wasnt Anything this size for under 600 700 only mirrors Or enterprises to small for my family. The club is giving me a new mast so just sails and rigging , which I know won't be cheap but it's the only if spend at least to start with . Youm mention centre board it actually has a heavy duty metal one ? Cheers John ------------- John |
Posted By: Pastyman
Date Posted: 30 Oct 20 at 9:08am
| I think its a G-Mach built Kestrel, early boats had a pretty big genoa , i can clearly remember them as a light wind menace handicap racing |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 30 Oct 20 at 9:16am
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https://images.app.goo.gl/FvE3XsPnetrsSkQ86 (looks like a kestrel mk1) ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 30 Oct 20 at 10:19am
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Kestral class rules with detailed measurements here http://www.kestrel.org.uk/classrules.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.kestrel.org.uk/classrules.html ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 30 Oct 20 at 10:53am
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If its a metal board then it is probably an ancient Kestrel, 40 or 50 years old at a guess. Its a mistake to think that glass fibre boats last for ever, they do deteriorate. In addition to the glass fibre parts going soft and losing their finish, leaving fibres to give you glass fibre itch an especial killer is bits of wood in obscure, inaccessible and yet vital places that have rotted out.
It's up to you, but if I were putting the sums together (and I am no stranger to basket cases and major boat refurbishments) I would reckon that free was at least a couple of hundred quid too much. I would be surprised if you could put that boat back in good club sailing condition for as little as £600. Sails, ropes, rigging, fittings, paint, launching trolley, cover, these things all add up. And when you've spent 600 odd quid it will be worth maybe 150. But the worst thing is the sheer frustration of sailing a life expired boat. Every time you sail it another thing goes wrong, and it's a truncated sailing day and cart it back home to fix. |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 30 Oct 20 at 11:40am
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I would add, often GRP boats from the sixties had MDF blocks not wood inserts. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: John clarkson
Date Posted: 30 Oct 20 at 6:38pm
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Hi
Thanks for ID Bundle of laughs on here isn't it. I haven't got 10k for a new dinghy So will give it a go . I shall buy most bits pre owned And if it's hopeless will just sell Them. If we get to Bob about in the estuary All we want for now Cheers John ------------- John |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 30 Oct 20 at 6:48pm
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Hi John, Just trying to help, both jimc and myself are members of CVRDA, which is a forum for people who sail and restore old and unusual boats. Plenty of Y&Y members are also very knowledgeable regarding repairing boats and how to get the best out of sailing any particular boat, please don't hesitate to ask for help or advice. I would speculate that the majority of sailors don't buy £10,000 boats, has iGRF will tell you sailors are a tight fisted lot. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 30 Oct 20 at 7:25pm
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Hi John,
Have owned many old grp dinghies over the years. A few have been mistakes but most have been a cheap way of getting on the water. If 15 feet long suspect this is a Kestrel, as said. Good tough boats to play around in, though powerful so some care needed. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: John clarkson
Date Posted: 31 Oct 20 at 7:51am
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Thanks guys
I really want a wayfarer as Like the idea of cruising. Really want this to perfect Sailing technique 100 meters from the club Slipway . Last sailed 30 years ago On an enterprise at Rutland water. I wasn't any good then either. The deal breaker I think for it Is will it take a small outboard Just to get us out of trouble If needed. I know a lot of wayfarers Have a little 2.5hp Honda on the back Thanks again John ------------- John |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 31 Oct 20 at 10:50am
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If you can remember handling Enterprise on shore 30 years ago, Wayfarer probably 3 times heavier, first class cruising boat, but you need to think about handling ashore. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: ColPrice2002
Date Posted: 31 Oct 20 at 6:17pm
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Try the Wanderer! It's a 14 ft small brother of the Wayfarer. It's much much easier to manhandle ashore than a Wayfarer... COlin
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 31 Oct 20 at 8:26pm
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Nice boat and probably the ideal compromise but, I suspect, significantly over the OPs budget. ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 31 Oct 20 at 10:04pm
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A GRP Leader might work nicely, though. ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |
Posted By: John clarkson
Date Posted: 03 Nov 20 at 12:05pm
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Hi out of interest what would you
Expect to pay for a seaworthy wanderer With sails and trailer ? Cheers John ------------- John |
Posted By: SoggyBadger
Date Posted: 03 Nov 20 at 4:10pm
There's an old one on Apollo Duck ATM for £2495. Wanderers to seem to command a high price though. If your budget can't stretch to that then maybe look for an old GRP GP14. You can sometimes find them for around £500. ------------- Best wishes from deep in the woods SB |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 03 Nov 20 at 5:26pm
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You say an Ent is too small so have a look out for Topper Sport 14 or 16, Laser 16 and, a bit more expensive, Laser Stratos. All are heavy but are very roomy, stable and good family boats. .
Or there are three Wayfarers on Apollo Duck for £1k. . Stratos 250kg. . Wayfarer 169kg. . Sport 16 180kg. . Wanderer 129kg. . GP14 133kg. ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 03 Nov 20 at 5:58pm
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How much more room is in a Wayfarer, compared to a Enterprise? Trying to find the recent thread with the Ent for about £600,lot of boat for the money, substantially lighter too. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 03 Nov 20 at 6:19pm
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Enterprise is 404 x 162 cm and 96kg (hull only) Waybarge is 485 x 185 and 167kg, the Wayfarer is significantly roomier than an Ent but a lot heavier to launch and recover.
I love Ents and they can carry two adults and two kids in reasonable comfort under sail, oars and motor but if weight off the water is not a problem and cruising with a family is the priority then a Wayfarer is the better choice.
------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 04 Nov 20 at 1:05am
| A useful but nearly impossible to arrange exercise would be to compare the useful area in the cockpit of different classes to see how much usable room there is. I would *guess* that the W has something like 50% more than the E, but you pay for that with 50% more weight as is entirely reasonable. |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 04 Nov 20 at 7:08am
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I had 2 tillers for my Ent' a short one for cruising (half the length of the standard),allowed you to sit right aft, and the standard one. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: ColPrice2002
Date Posted: 04 Nov 20 at 5:08pm
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My wife learnt to sail in a Wayfarer, you can get 4 adults sitting on the windward side (6 rolls in the mainsail). If you're cruising, then a Wayfarer will take 3 adults comfortably plus youngsters. The Enterprise is good for 2 adults, and limited room for others (Assuming stern sheeting - not centre main - that reduces the crew space). Our Wanderer(stern sheeting) is comfortable for the 2 of us, with spare space. The advantage of the Wanderer/Wayfarer for cruising is that you can easily have roller furling for the jib and slab reefing for the mainsail. That makes it much easier to adapt to wind changes on the water. Older GPs are good (3 - 4 adults - with care). Colin
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Posted By: John clarkson
Date Posted: 06 Nov 20 at 5:04pm
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Hi thanks guys
Because of your input thinking of scrapping the kestrel If iam going to spend 600 and days of work On it . Sounds like I can get something ready to Go for that money or a bit more Our enterprise was a little small For my family but will look at the variants . Out of those suggested which is most stable Great you tube of two guys up near loch Ness on a wanderer J ------------- John |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 06 Nov 20 at 5:12pm
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GP14 and Wayfarer very stable. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 06 Nov 20 at 6:21pm
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If it's for cruising and the weight is not an issue onshore the Wayfarer is likely to offer best bang for buck, I don't think a GP is any roomier than an Ent though it's weight makes it a little more stable. ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |