Sutton in Ashfield - reminder...
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Topic: Sutton in Ashfield - reminder...
Posted By: iGRF
Subject: Sutton in Ashfield - reminder...
Date Posted: 25 Sep 20 at 9:47am
Had this in my email box today.. 'Only' 2500 signatures seems sad.
https://www.change.org/p/jason-zadrozny-help-save-sutton-in-ashfield-sailing-club-from-ashfield-council-s-development-plans/u/27781682?cs_tk=Atcs62KSGKcHAaTkcF8AAXicyyvNyQEABF8BvDhHlHq5sORLGAjItyL1uaU%3D&utm_campaign=0bc23695f1e04de998b8d871dc072101&utm_content=initial_v0_4_0&utm_medium=email&utm_source=petition_update&utm_term=cs&lang=en-GB" rel="nofollow - https://www.change.org/p/jason-zadrozny-help-save-sutton-in-ashfield-sailing-club-from-ashfield-council-s-development-plans/u/27781682?cs_tk=Atcs62KSGKcHAaTkcF8AAXicyyvNyQEABF8BvDhHlHq5sORLGAjItyL1uaU%3D&utm_campaign=0bc23695f1e04de998b8d871dc072101&utm_content=initial_v0_4_0&utm_medium=email&utm_source=petition_update&utm_term=cs&lang=en-GB
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Posted By: Late starter
Date Posted: 25 Sep 20 at 1:00pm
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I haven't sailed at SASC for years, but from what I remember its a small club on a lake next to some major roads and a large hostpital. Quite urban and wind shadowed, but not a bad place to spend some time . I don't recall the club grounds being massive so I can see that losing most of the boat park would likely cause the club to close. I don't get what the council are getting out of closing a long standing club down, as all they seem to be getting in return is a bit more public car park space ? Perhaps a car park will generate more revenue for the council than the sailing club rent ? Not exactly green, sustainable, or likely to improve the health and sporting opportunities of the area so feels a bit, er, stupid. Unless I'm missing something.
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 25 Sep 20 at 1:45pm
It was the first place I ever attended a Windsurfer open meeting at, however unlikely that sounds.
So hence the soft spot and feeling of regret that like my other more local small lake which is under pressure and threat to the sailing fraternity from fish murderers.
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Posted By: H2
Date Posted: 25 Sep 20 at 2:42pm
I did not realise they had windsurfing opens in the 1930s
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H2 #115 (sold)
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OK 2082
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 25 Sep 20 at 3:01pm
They were called 'plank regattas'.
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Robert
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 25 Sep 20 at 8:27pm
Originally posted by H2
I did not realise they had windsurfing opens in the 1930s |
Wasn't around back then, what was it like? Was that when the H2 was designed?
April 1978 was the windsurfer open at Sutton.
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Posted By: Late starter
Date Posted: 25 Sep 20 at 9:06pm
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Blimey windsurfing at SASC. Braver than me. I did a winter series on the front end of a 505 in the late 70s there, nice club with some lovely people but the pond is one of those lakes where you can have all the points of sailing one the same leg. Rumour had it that anyone who fell in was advised to visit the hospital nicely located next to the pond. Still, there arent many leisure /sporting/outdoor locations in that patch so it's beyond stupid that the idiots at their local council are trying to close them down.
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 26 Sep 20 at 9:08am
Looking at the satellite image, even if they take half the boat park, they can only gain 24 spaces, probably half a million pounds to do, surprised this has not been stopped.
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Robert
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Posted By: Chris_H
Date Posted: 26 Sep 20 at 9:42am
Originally posted by 423zero
Looking at the satellite image, even if they take half the boat park, they can only gain 24 spaces, probably half a million pounds to do, surprised this has not been stopped. |
The planning application shows 47 spaces will be created by takig over the dinghy pound and 135 spaces by taking over the field outside between the club and the road. It does seem rather overkill for parking on what is quite a small recreational area.
http://www2.ashfield.gov.uk/Planning/StreamDocPage?DocNo=18049979&PageNo=1&content=obj.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www2.ashfield.gov.uk/Planning/StreamDocPage?DocNo=18049979&PageNo=1&content=obj.pdf
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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 26 Sep 20 at 9:45am
I am somewhat bothered by the fact that the application has been submitted by Ashfield DC and the local planning authority is, er, Ashfield DC. Judge and jury?
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Nick
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 26 Sep 20 at 10:11am
Wow, hardly sympathetic to country park, club needs a professional from RYA to fight this, club won't survive long with no boat park at all, sailing club must have a rough idea how many people use the existing car park, perhaps there is a new build going to appear close to this corner, can see another planning application appearing soon after car park finished, with one of the pluses being a large car park over the road, which can be accessed by a pedestrian crossing, which the builders will put in for free.
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Robert
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 26 Sep 20 at 11:24am
Originally posted by Late starter
Blimey windsurfing at SASC. Braver than me. I did a winter series on the front end of a 505 in the late 70s there, nice club with some lovely people but the pond is one of those lakes where you can have all the points of sailing one the same leg. Rumour had it that anyone who fell in was advised to visit the hospital nicely located next to the pond. Still, there arent many leisure /sporting/outdoor locations in that patch so it's beyond stupid that the idiots at their local council are trying to close them down. |
The water did look very gungy with lots of round brown objects floatingjust under the surface reminiscent of similar objects surrounding the sewage outfalls back home. Windsurfing was not permitted at most inland water just as kitesurfing isn't nowadays, the RYA had made this promise to us, that if we voted them as our Governing Body, all that would change, they lied, it didn't for many years and then when the London lakes opened up we were only permitted to use them in dry suits. Of course no dinghy sailor ever pee'd in his wetsuit during a capsize, or indeed in the gunhwales of the boat in long waits on the water in regattas, but we were sailings b**tard ginger step child and have been ever since. So beggars couldn't be choosers and we were grateful to Sutton, at least I was.
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Posted By: Late starter
Date Posted: 26 Sep 20 at 2:23pm
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I recall the first time I tried a board as one of my pals bought one (probably an original windsurfer, I can't recall) to the club and let us have a go. I thought "I'm a half decent Laser sailor, how hard can this be) and spent the next few hours in the water feeling a bit embarrassed. But yes I do recall the anti board feeling around some of the clubs at the time. Feels sort of silly nowadays, but there you go.
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Posted By: Late starter
Date Posted: 20 Jan 21 at 10:05am
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As I made a comment on the Councils plans to remove large parts of the SASC boat park in favour of a public car park I got an email update this morning. The planning application is going to committee on 27th January with a recommendation to approve. If I read the report correctly the planning officer seems to have concluded that the club and its group members (eg sea scouts, model yacht club) will remain viable post the loss of boat park space, though the Council have claimed to have offered alternate space. Seem to recall this was on the table before, and the club felt it was not viable. So this does not look good.
http://democracy.ashfield-dc.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=134&MId=4268&Ver=4" rel="nofollow - Agenda for Planning Committee on Wednesday, 27th January, 2021, 12.00 pm - Modern Council (ashfield-dc.gov.uk)
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Posted By: IanCherrill
Date Posted: 20 Jan 21 at 2:01pm
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Nearest club is Ogston I think - about 10 miles away from Sutton-in-Ashfield ( https://jettymap.com/?country=uk&club=suttoninashfield&zoom=11" rel="nofollow - map ). But if you live east or north of Mansfield, Ogston could be quite a trek.
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 20 Jan 21 at 4:57pm
Do the RYA even have a latter day equivalent of Edmund Whelan?
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 20 Jan 21 at 9:11pm
Originally posted by iGRF
Do the RYA even have a latter day equivalent of Edmund Whelan? |
Pretty irreplaceable, really.
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 21 Jan 21 at 2:24pm
Originally posted by Rupert
Originally posted by iGRF
Do the RYA even have a latter day equivalent of Edmund Whelan? |
Pretty irreplaceable, really. |
You can say that again, often wondered if you were related, isn't your name similar at least.
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 21 Jan 21 at 3:42pm
He was my first cousin once removed.
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Posted By: Late starter
Date Posted: 08 Feb 21 at 12:03am
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Looks like the local council have approved their own application.
https://www.facebook.com/suttoninashfieldsc/posts/4021068761249865
One less sailing club in the East Midlands.
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