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Topic: best amateur sailors in U
Posted By: Gordon 1430
Subject: best amateur sailors in U
Date Posted: 27 Mar 20 at 10:56am
Y&Y asked Andy Rice to give a top list of what amounts to Pro sailors from across the globe.
What about the best amateurs who do we think should be included. What is our definition of Amateur? someone who does not earn a living from sailing in any form or should the sail makers like Andy Davis or Charlie Cumbley be allowed as they don't sail full time?
Number one nomination from me.
Nick Craig multiple world champion and National champion across a wide range of boats.Including different style of boats OK to B14. 






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Gordon
Phantom 1430



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Posted By: Jamie600
Date Posted: 27 Mar 20 at 10:59am
To me, amateur means someone who can't justify sailing as part of the job, so sailmakers and builders are out.

Anyone to whom sailing is a hobby/escape from the real world of jobs, mortgages etc

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RS600 1001


Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 27 Mar 20 at 11:03am
Originally posted by Gordon 1430

Y&Y asked Andy Rice to give a top list of what amounts to Pro sailors from across the globe.
What about the best amateurs who do we think should be included. What is our definition of Amateur? someone who does not earn a living from sailing in any form or should the sail makers like Andy Davis or Charlie Cumbley be allowed as they don't sail full time?
Number one nomination from me.
Nick Craig multiple world champion and National champion across a wide range of boats.Including different style of boats OK to B14. 


I think sailmakers should be included. Motivating yourself to race after a full week cutting cloth must be tough.

Jim Hunt!   Not enough space for his wins but Solo,Ok,Fireball etc etc
            And helpful, approachable and knows a spade is called a spade



Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 27 Mar 20 at 11:30am
Clearly the answer is two top Frensham sailors, Nick Craig, as nominated above and Roger Gilbert.

For me, if you work in the industry, you're not an amateur I'm afraid


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Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 27 Mar 20 at 12:51pm
Past and present?

Peter Colclough


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Happily living in the past


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 27 Mar 20 at 1:23pm
At least we don't have to worry about including sailing instructors. We forget how to sail fast as soon as we have to start thinking about how we do the basics.

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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 27 Mar 20 at 1:53pm
Anyone who sails and does their duty

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Robert


Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 27 Mar 20 at 2:50pm
Originally posted by 423zero

Anyone who sails and does their duty


An increasingly rare person, I agree completely!


Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 27 Mar 20 at 2:55pm
Originally posted by Rupert

At least we don't have to worry about including sailing instructors. We forget how to sail fast as soon as we have to start thinking about how we do the basics.


When I was instructing for london borough of Redbridge ( last century)
We used to have a race against the Essex county instructors. Included in the list for Essex was Lawrence Crispin and David Campbell James.

We always lost!


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 27 Mar 20 at 4:05pm
I wonder how much teaching they did compared to racing!

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Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686


Posted By: Do Different
Date Posted: 27 Mar 20 at 7:35pm
Spot on 423zero @1.53.
Best may not be all about racing and winning.
Sailors or racers? To my mind the best sailors are those who show quiet and sympathetic grace to their environment, boats and fellows. No matter how much they have won anyone who claims to have beaten the wind and waves is a deluded narcissist. 



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