Coronavirus and Club Sailing
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Topic: Coronavirus and Club Sailing
Posted By: Sussex Lad
Subject: Coronavirus and Club Sailing
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 9:54am
Y&Y have published an article "Don't let it get to you, go for a Sail".
Sounds like a very attractive way of avoiding the possible boredom.
I'd be interested to hear opinions and possible strategies for making this happen at club level in the current environment.
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 10:00am
Does that mean us over seventies risking a fine and imprisonment for breaking the curfew?
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 10:39am
Well, it isn't necessary travel, idea of cutting unnecessary travel is to cut down traffic accidents. I am on my second week of quarantine and it's driving me bonkers, I can go out for exercise though, running or walking, not cycling (you could fall off I suppose). My club had a meeting yesterday by 'Skype' haven't heard results yet.
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Posted By: Gordon 1430
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 10:41am
Not over 70 but vulnerable so my plan was to change at home, go down and go sailing and not go for a drink afterwards. Always enjoy the sailing but will miss the social afterwards, deciding where I went wrong and joking with others.
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Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 11:54am
My club is thinking of stopping sailing . What is the situation with other people’s clubs ?
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 12:09pm
I can walk to my club, so not unnecessary travel, only issue I can think of is handballing someone out of the water and possible 'first aid' issues.
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Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 12:16pm
As a nearly 70 year old with both cardiac and respiratory issues I'm going to be taking things carefully. I'm hoping to get out sailing this summer, but I'll probably take the boat out on my own, and not race - needing a crew - or take part in club social activities at least for th efirst part of th esummer. I'll also be doing some short cycles on my own, and there's plenty to do round the house and garden. But how long I'll cope with that before going completely stir crazy remains to be seen.
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Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 12:21pm
Not heard from our club yet but I expect the exec com are formulating something. With the average club race I guess close personal contact isn't essential apart from in the race office and on the safety boat, married/family should be ok together I would have thought? " Two handers might be an issue for some. Some of our members free sail when the club is closed anyway, zero contact then. They do have single handers but for double handers the drag up the beach without a winch would be an issue.
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Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by 423zero
I can walk to my club, so not unnecessary travel, only issue I can think of is handballing someone out of the water and possible 'first aid' issues. |
....good point.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 12:34pm
I think it will depend on whether your club allows you to sail without rescue cover. Sailing a Laser on your own is of course fine from a Coronavirus threat perspective, but what about the rescue boat team, the changing rooms, and all the other bits? And if half the members are over 70 or have to self-isolate at the last minute due to a cough who will run the race?
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Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 12:44pm
Just seen the headline "UK measures to last several months".
That's sailing this summer knocked on the head then.
Fingers crossed that not too many are further affected.
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 1:00pm
Our club has stopped all formal sailing, but the club will still be open to members to free sail, check boats etc. The idea is you are cutting out duty teams and the like, but leaving opportunity to get out on the water in isolation.
My instructor season is in tatters, really, as Sailability has vulnerable members and volunteers and all the club courses are off till further notice. Living off savings for a while.
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 1:20pm
I am quarantined at the moment, but will get paid, self employed will struggle, you can get 'mortgage' and 'bill' breaks, Yougov have details and advice.
My only problem at the moment, can't get any bread 
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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 1:32pm
The RYA have a dedicated page for this at the moment: https://www.rya.org.uk/newsevents/news/Pages/rya-guidance-coronavirus.aspx" rel="nofollow - https://www.rya.org.uk/newsevents/news/Pages/rya-guidance-coronavirus.aspx
The government has confirmed that people with mild symptoms should stay at home and self-isolate for seven days. We know that all of this could affect planned events and activities. Unless there's official advice telling you not to do so, and as long as you follow the government advice on how to avoid catching or spreading the virus, you can continue with things like group activities and use of club facilities. |
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Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 1:54pm
4 days old?
Think the situation has move on slightly.
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 1:57pm
14 days now and whole household.
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Posted By: patj
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 2:04pm
Our stupid puddle club where it is easy to sail anytime without cover and without using the clubhouse, has announced a complete shutdown of the club just because they "can't guarantee that the clubhouse is virus free" so we can't even casual sail! So instead of a 5 minute drive there we have to go an hour to another club or to the coast.
I'm with Y&Y on this. Sailing is good for both mental and physical wellbeing.
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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 2:06pm
Originally posted by Sussex Lad
4 days old?
Think the situation has move on slightly. |
And read the bit at the top 'Updated 17th March'.....
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 2:16pm
7 days if you live alone, 14 for a household, glad you posted link jeffers, thought it was 14 days for everyone.
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Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 2:23pm
Originally posted by jeffers
Originally posted by Sussex Lad
4 days old?
Think the situation has move on slightly. |
And read the bit at the top 'Updated 17th March'..... |
Missed it, thanks for the heads up.
Just revisited the page and it's not what I read first time round.
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 3:23pm
My club has suspended all organised activities, members are free to sail at any time though and that has not changed. I think I will be getting the Blaze out of the boat park today or tomorrow as I might just decide to self isolate for precautionary reasons down at the caravan......
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 3:40pm
Originally posted by jeffers
The RYA have a dedicated page for this at the moment: https://www.rya.org.uk/newsevents/news/Pages/rya-guidance-coronavirus.aspx" rel="nofollow - https://www.rya.org.uk/newsevents/news/Pages/rya-guidance-coronavirus.aspx
The government has confirmed that people with mild symptoms should stay at home and self-isolate for seven days. We know that all of this could affect planned events and activities. Unless there's official advice telling you not to do so, and as long as you follow the government advice on how to avoid catching or spreading the virus, you can continue with things like group activities and use of club facilities. |
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The latest advice from govt, as of yesterday evening, is to avoid non-essential contact with others so I would say group activities are off the agenda.
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 4:24pm
Dinghy sailing (in single handers at least) does not involve the close proximity of others or physical contact so should be pretty low risk. It is also in the open air and with a 1 metre 'social distancing' zone in the boat park you should be conforming to the advice of the government. The only risk factors are with rescue crews and OODs who usually work in close proximity to each other. So organised racing might be inadvisable but free sailing should be ok for now.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 4:37pm
What proportion of clubs allow free sailing, I wonder?
The coastal ones generally can’t stop it, but many (most?) inland clubs are prevented by the landlord.
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 4:46pm
Main issue is how are you getting there? Non essential journeys are frowned upon.
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Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 4:59pm
......thought the non-essential travel advice was regarding foreign travel?
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 5:16pm
Originally posted by 423zero
Main issue is how are you getting there? Non essential journeys are frowned upon. |
I think you'll find that's non-essential journeys that involve contact with people at the other end.
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 5:20pm
I understand they want to minimise chance of accidents, help NHS?
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Posted By: PeterV
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 5:30pm
I've always found it staggering how many inland clubs ban sailing without rescue support on the basis of safety arguments. After 10 years of this nonsense at my last club I've now moved back to the coast where I can continue going out by myself as I've been doing since I was 10 years old.
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 5:32pm
Curtailing healthy activities that don't involve contact is a double edged sword, maintaining the good spirits and mental health of the populace will go some way towards minimising the impact should they catch the virus and as long as they don't ban all travel I think sensible traveling to access such activities would probably be to the net benefit of the NHS (but I definitely don't claim any special knowledge).
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Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 6:01pm
Sam, agreed. As soon as I'm allowed out of the house, I will be sailing, kayaking and walking in the local countryside. Won't be able to afford to do anything else anyway.
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 6:46pm
Perhaps a mass thanks giving?
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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 6:49pm
The less impact this thing has on lives and economy is the only important thing. Go get you boat and work on it Work on your fitness Do loads of DIY so you can sail all summer
If we follow the advice we will get some summer sailing
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Posted By: ttc546
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 6:54pm
Don’t forget the virus can hang around on surfaces for about 72hrs, so changing rooms could be areas of risk. My club has just announced complete closure of all the buildings - right decision IMHO and should be for all clubs. Why take the risk for your members?
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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 7:09pm
Originally posted by ttc546
Don’t forget the virus can hang around on surfaces for about 72hrs, so changing rooms could be areas of risk. My club has just announced complete closure of all the buildings - right decision IMHO and should be for all clubs. Why take the risk for your members?
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+1
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Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 7:44pm
Even if official racing ends up being banned, I hope that In our coastal location we can organise informal racing with rabbit starts “at our own risk” ... we launch from a public slipway, mainly sailing single handers (all of the double handers are family crewed boats). No beers afterwards.
The only risk to this that I can see is if we upset the pious who might not understand that there is no contact. Be interesting how the mamils get on.
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 7:58pm
If the Government have worked this out correctly, this will be greatest victory in British history, if they are wrong, we are facing disaster on a biblical scale.
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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 8:05pm
This puts it in perspective for me
Will your action unwittingly harm someone else
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(Press the free tag)
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Posted By: The Moo
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 9:59pm
Originally posted by zeon
My club is thinking of stopping sailing . What is the situation with other people’s clubs ? |
Decision now taken. All activities suspended until further notice with immediate effect.
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Posted By: Oinks
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 11:10pm
Just remember...if you decide to sailing in isolation...no rescue cover...if you get into difficulty and the rescue/emergency services have to get involved....just saying consider that before you go ahead and do it!
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Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 17 Mar 20 at 11:15pm
....Could need an ambulance if you come off a bike. Could fall over walking, could cut yourself badly in the kitchen.
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Posted By: Oinks
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 12:51am
Everyday accidents are one thing...deciding to go sailing and ending up calling the emergency services is frankly selfish. I'm just saying think before you go and do it.
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Posted By: patj
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 3:38am
Clubs which close completely and prevent members doing anything should be giving refunds to members and could possibly be subject to legal claims for that money. Cancelled events are refunding. By offering a much reduced service that refund liability is mitigated.
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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 5:46am
Originally posted by Sussex Lad
....Could need an ambulance if you come off a bike. Could fall over walking, could cut yourself badly in the kitchen. |
Weather forecasts are very inaccurate and don’t have consequences in my kitchen and easy to overcome on a walk or cycling.
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Posted By: ttc546
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 6:03am
Originally posted by patj
Clubs which close completely and prevent members doing anything should be giving refunds to members and could possibly be subject to legal claims for that money. Cancelled events are refunding. By offering a much reduced service that refund liability is mitigated. |
And thereby potentially causing collapse of the very club you wish to sail at.
No, the club can have my money so that I can continue to sail when this mess is all over
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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 6:12am
Originally posted by ttc546
Originally posted by patj
Clubs which close completely and prevent members doing anything should be giving refunds to members and could possibly be subject to legal claims for that money. Cancelled events are refunding. By offering a much reduced service that refund liability is mitigated. |
And thereby potentially causing collapse of the very club you wish to sail at.
No, the club can have my money so that I can continue to sail when this mess is all over |
Yeah about what I was going to say
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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 6:13am
Amazing how many people think the know better than WHO, chief medical officer and head of NHS
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Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 7:28am
I think from a clubs perspective they cannot be seen to be "forcing" people in the at risk category to go against guidance. Therefore you cannot put those in the at risk category, or people with close relatives in the at risk catergory on any kind of duty.
That will wipe out a huge proportion of the volunteer force at most clubs and without people filling the gaps its easy to see why clubs are having to close down.
However if people do step up and help I can't see why we can't run club races, free sailing or whatever. The weather is getting better so you could even open the bar and sit outside. remember we are talking about around 30 people on a good day at most clubs and this turnout will inevitably be reduced.
Yes, we need to be careful, yes we need to look after those who are vulnerable but we cant just seal ourselves up for three months and frankly, I would rather go and sail my boat with someone I know and trust than take a walk around the block around strangers.
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Posted By: ttc546
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 7:33am
Originally posted by Paramedic
Yes, we need to be careful, yes we need to look after those who are vulnerable but we cant just seal ourselves up for three months
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Yes, we can, and Yes we should. You may not have a choice anyway, as per Italy. This is a new world we are living in right now and we had better deal with it whilst we are alive enough. Selfish actions by others will cost lives. The situation will eventually recover itself and us taking a few months break is a small price to pay.
I lose my job at the end of this month due to the virus business impact on my employer - a travel company employing tens of thousands of people. Its painful for me, but puts priorities in focus.
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Posted By: Paramedic
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 7:59am
Originally posted by ttc546
Yes, we can, and Yes we should.
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So does your food just materialise in your house? Do you not think you are more at risk of catching/transmitting this either in a supermarket or via a home delivery?
Sailing is a very low risk in comparison.
Yes, it does bring home our priorities. I would be extremely surprised if any championships take place this spring/summer. But other, maybe lesser in some cases, priorities are mental health and excercise. We need to exercise and I cant see how sailing my boat locally at my club is higher risk than taking a walk provided its done responsibly.
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Posted By: ColPrice2002
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 8:08am
My club has just abandoned all organised activities.
We're still able to go sailing, on the basis of no rescue cover, no clubroom access.
Changing rooms & toilets are available, but I'm planning on going ready to sail (or putting the drysuit on in the car park).
I've decided to "park" the Solo for the duration (the lake is shallow and a mast in the mud requires lots of assistance), but I'll use the Wanderer - masthead float, roller furling for jib & slab reefing for the main.
If it all goes wrong, then I can always walk back!
Stay safe everyone!
Colin
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Posted By: ttc546
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 8:08am
Originally posted by Paramedic
Originally posted by ttc546
Yes, we can, and Yes we should.
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So does your food just materialise in your house? Do you not think you are more at risk of catching/transmitting this either in a supermarket or via a home delivery? Sailing is a very low risk in comparison. Yes, it does bring home our priorities. I would be extremely surprised if any championships take place this spring/summer. But other, maybe lesser in some cases, priorities are mental health and excercise. We need to exercise and I cant see how sailing my boat locally at my club is higher risk than taking a walk provided its done responsibly. |
If you feel you can do it responsibly, then great. 😊 Enjoy it whilst you are allowed to and able to. But I know other sports are shutting down. Golf clubs I know have shut down and arguably that is a lot of fresh air and little group gatherings
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 8:53am
My wife and I have lost our jobs, my sister’s chemo puts her at very high risk and my children are now “educated” en mass in the school hall. So please, go free sailing if you want and you can, but don’t expect me to man a RIB or run a race for you. Missing a jolly old sail is not much of a sacrifice in the scheme of things.
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Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 9:06am
Originally posted by Oinks
Everyday accidents are one thing...deciding to go sailing and ending up calling the emergency services is frankly selfish. I'm just saying think before you go and do it. |
...is it cold up there.
Stop with the "selfish" name calling please. Think before you type 😉
This is all going to have a major impact on small and large organisations, Sailing Clubs included.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 9:15am
Originally posted by Sussex Lad
This is all going to have a major impact on small and large organisations, Sailing Clubs included.
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Yes it will, because right now is membership renewal time and frankly there is little direct benefit from being a member at present. If no one renews many clubs will go bust. But irresponsible social gatherings are not the solution (which isn’t to say that what you are proposing is irresponsible, but carrying on regardless would be).
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Posted By: Late starter
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 9:21am
Originally posted by patj
Clubs which close completely and prevent members doing anything should be giving refunds to members and could possibly be subject to legal claims for that money. Cancelled events are refunding. By offering a much reduced service that refund liability is mitigated. |
That's not a totally unreasonable position. I'd just point out that IMHO I suspect many of our clubs would fold quite quickly if their members took that view. Guess those who belong to a large "commercial" club might have a different view to members of the smaller volunteer led clubs, where funds are perhaps more lacking.
I doubt my club would survive if it lost a seasons membership income.
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Posted By: stonefish
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 9:57am
Our club has stopped all organised sailing and social activities but the clubs changing rooms remain open for those still wishing to sail on the understanding there is no patrol boat cover. I plan to still sail my Solo, I will go with kit on and come home to get a shower so I don't need to go in the club
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Posted By: The Moo
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 9:58am
I announced our closure last night by email and I have had a sizeable response from members which is so far 100% positive.
Our membership renewal commences 1 April. Will be interesting to see how that pans out. We might not be operating but the bills still need paying.
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Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 10:05am
Originally posted by A2Z
Originally posted by Sussex Lad
This is all going to have a major impact on small and large organisations, Sailing Clubs included.
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But irresponsible social gatherings are not the solution (which isn’t to say that what you are proposing is irresponsible, but carrying on regardless would be). |
Think we're all agreed on that.
A large number of members will be hit financially also.
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Posted By: H2
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 10:26am
Somehow I ended up as Vice Commodore at our club so yesterday had to make a decision along with the other flag officers (directors as far as companies house is concerned). We realised that we could not / should not seek to force people to do duties such as race officer, safety or galley that require you to be close to others. Many of our members are "at risk" groups or look after elderly parents which was also a factor. We took the decision to cancel all organised sailing (racing, training, cadets, galley) till end of April when we will review. The lake remains open for people to use if they wish to sail without safety cover as we are allowed to do that.
Our renewals are at the end of the year so this was less of an immediate concern but we did discuss impact of closing the club on membership renewals for 2021 which is why we are going to review at end of April so that we can show that we are trying our hardest to keep open for members.
It was actually an easy decision to make as it is the only logical choice once you realise that you cannot force people to show up and do duties. The real issue is when we come to re-open as no doubt some members will want to get started and others will feel unwilling to come out of hiding so asking people to restart duties will be the point of tension!
I have a good friend who is quite senior in NHS and he confirmed to me that the idea of asking people to restrict travel is to reduce accidents which would in turn reduce non-virus strain on the NHS. They need every bed and resource focused on keeping virus patients alive.
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 10:34am
Well if CV19 has done nothing good, it has produced a thread here with more than 20 different contributers, all obvious self isolating and bored..
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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 10:54am
My club has suspended all organised activities but members are still free to sail. The club has always allowed this.
Buddy sailing is recommended.
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 11:59am
We are living through an historic moment in time, students will be studying this epidemic for hundreds of years, forum posts of all forums and social platforms will be recorded and studied similar to 'mass observations' from second world war. Comparisons with 'Black death' will be made, how uneducated people coped and how todays educated people cope with covid-19, not that this is likely to be as bad.
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Posted By: ttc546
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 12:08pm
Originally posted by 423zero
We are living through an historic moment in time, students will be studying this epidemic for hundreds of years, forum posts of all forums and social platforms will be recorded and studied similar to 'mass observations' from second world war.Comparisons with 'Black death' will be made, how uneducated people coped and how todays educated people cope with covid-19, not that this is likely to be as bad. |
I wonder how future historians will view this forum topic....😅
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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 12:21pm
Originally posted by 423zero
We are living through an historic moment in time, students will be studying this epidemic for hundreds of years, forum posts of all forums and social platforms will be recorded and studied similar to 'mass observations' from second world war.Comparisons with 'Black death' will be made, how uneducated people coped and how todays educated people cope with covid-19, not that this is likely to be as bad. |
I think that's an exaggeration, based on the fact that we have so much more information today, available at our fingertips, instantly. This pandemic, whilst nasty and not to be belittled, ain't a patch on the 1918 'Flu epidemic in which millions perished.
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 1:29pm
^ ^ ^ ^ ttc546 this ^ ^ ^ ^
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Posted By: H2
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 2:14pm
I suspect that in years to come the only thing to be studied of this event will be how so many bought so much bog roll for so little reason. Kids will laugh at how dumb we all were.
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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 2:15pm
Originally posted by Noah
Originally posted by 423zero
We are living through an historic moment in time, students will be studying this epidemic for hundreds of years, forum posts of all forums and social platforms will be recorded and studied similar to 'mass observations' from second world war.Comparisons with 'Black death' will be made, how uneducated people coped and how todays educated people cope with covid-19, not that this is likely to be as bad. |
I think that's an exaggeration, based on the fact that we have so much more information today, available at our fingertips, instantly. This pandemic, whilst nasty and not to be belittled, ain't a patch on the 1918 'Flu epidemic in which millions perished. |
Spanish Flu killed an estimated 50-100 million people, the Black Death an estimated 75-200 million people in Eurasia (estimate up to 60% of the population of the affected areas).
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 2:20pm
Black death would hardly kill anyone today fortunately, viruses appear to be harder to get a grip on.
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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 2:43pm
Originally posted by 423zero
Black death would hardly kill anyone today fortunately, viruses appear to be harder to get a grip on. |
Evolution...
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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 3:07pm
Originally posted by jeffers
Originally posted by 423zero
Black death would hardly kill anyone today fortunately, viruses appear to be harder to get a grip on. |
Evolution... |
Evolution 19 by Julian Everitt
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Posted By: NickM99
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 5:05pm
RYA advice to clubs. "We encourage the boating community to join with the RYA and the rest of the country in doing what we can to halt the spread of the virus in the midst of what is an unprecedented situation. We recognise that this news will be disappointing and potentially worrying for some. However, at this stage that does not necessarily mean cancelling all sailing activity. There may be circumstances where it is appropriate for clubs and centres to continue to allow their members to sail on their water individually or in small groups, particularly where such sailing activity does not include accessing the clubhouse."
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 18 Mar 20 at 8:23pm
Heart warming to see ordinary people digging in and helping there communities.
------------- Robert
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Posted By: Gordon 1430
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 9:02am
Now if the wind gods will only play ball and stop blowing a gale every weekend I intend to sail without using changing room etc. It will help NHS by relieving my stress from trying to keep my business afloat. I will take a VHF and Phone but wont go if its dodgy as I haven't sailed for a few months (mostly thanks to Fords inability to keep parts in stock for a 3 year old van). Its something I do on a summer evening anyway and have a small buoy and anchor set to moor of to whilst getting my trolley.
------------- Gordon
Phantom 1430
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 9:25am
Hope it goes well for you, details would be nice or a picture  Really eerie by me, hardly any planes and traffic very quiet.
------------- Robert
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Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 9:33am
Originally posted by Gordon 1430
Now if the wind gods will only play ball and stop blowing a gale every weekend I intend to sail without using changing room etc. It will help NHS by relieving my stress from trying to keep my business afloat. I will take a VHF and Phone but wont go if its dodgy as I haven't sailed for a few months (mostly thanks to Fords inability to keep parts in stock for a 3 year old van). Its something I do on a summer evening anyway and have a small buoy and anchor set to moor of to whilst getting my trolley. |
Totally different from your sensible and safe suggestion Gordon.... I worked at Calshot in the 70s and had a girlfriend at Lee. I thought it would be a good idea to sail a Seafly over on my day off. Had a lovely day and missed the significant increase in wind strength during the day. Half way back it was getting a bit "fresh". I heard a loud noise and looked up. It was the Lee helicopter tracking me and I suspect shaking their heads in disbelief. The ignorance of youth!
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Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 10:34am
Our coastal club has issued a statement. Limited sailing in line with the RYA recommendations.
Social and training cancelled/postponed. Free sailing in groups ok but no use of the clubhouse/changing rooms.
impromptu informal pursuit races seem to me like a possibility, maybe? Can le mans start from the beach. There's one fixed mark out there and club transit for laps?
......dunno. thinking out loud.
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Posted By: ttc546
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 11:09am
Not the biggest coastline in the world, but in Belgium....
https://www.brusselstimes.com/all-news/art-culture/100784/coronavirus-boating-prohibited-on-the-belgian-coast/" rel="nofollow - https://www.brusselstimes.com/all-news/art-culture/100784/coronavirus-boating-prohibited-on-the-belgian-coast/
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 11:47am
Happy sailing 
------------- Robert
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Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 12:07pm
Mr zero, I started this thread with intention of discussing how some sailing could be achieved while responsibly staying within gov guidelines.
We can read scary stories in a million and one other places.
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Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 12:31pm
I think that change in the car and free sail in sensible conditions is ok as long as the waters owners are happy.
If strong winds are avoided, I think I would like to self rescue rather than use the RIB with perhaps driver who hasnt used it since last years training course
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Posted By: Ozzytub
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 12:48pm
Like most clubs no organised events.
Also like most other people I'll change by my car or before I head to the club. Launch on my own and sail when the wind and weather is within my comfort zone. No need to take risks.
I prefer to race as it clears my mind totally, fully focused on the sailing and at this time thats great for my mental well being.
So I race my self in in loops
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Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 1:40pm
Originally posted by Ozzytub
Like most clubs no organised events.
Also like most other people I'll change by my car or before I head to the club. Launch on my own and sail when the wind and weather is within my comfort zone. No need to take risks.
I prefer to race as it clears my mind totally, fully focused on the sailing and at this time thats great for my mental well being.
So I race my self in in loops
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I just couldnt resist how the rules are applied if you catch yourself up!
Enjoy it, I will be doing the same I hope. Timing each lap?
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 2:39pm
Doh.. the Hythe lot have now caved in to Snowflakemania and cancelled all organised sailing and social events, Jesus H Christ, there were bombs falling people being wiped out in hundreds and the edict was Keep Calm and Carry on.
The Snowflakes now worry about a new strain of Flue, the like of which our generation have survived Asian Flue, Russian Flue and countless other varieties of 'Corona' style viruses (or is it Viri?) Half the time we didn't even know there was one, just a few more died each winter.
I swear to God there will be more deaths from Suicide induced by business failure, excess Marital company, or sheer boredom than ever get killed by this... RANT Over.
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Posted By: H2
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 3:37pm
You can defo get killed if you keep your head in that flue iGRF
------------- H2 #115 (sold)
H2 145
OK 2082
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Posted By: didlydon
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 3:37pm
Crikey GRF ----- get a grip! This virus kills people & a sensible course of action is called for by all of us! I hope to sail, but racing is suspended by my club, for good reasons.
------------- Vareo 365
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Posted By: ttc546
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 3:40pm
Originally posted by iGRF
Doh.. the Hythe lot have now caved in to Snowflakemania and cancelled all organised sailing and social events, Jesus H Christ, there were bombs falling people being wiped out in hundreds and the edict was Keep Calm and Carry on.
The Snowflakes now worry about a new strain of Flue, the like of which our generation have survived Asian Flue, Russian Flue and countless other varieties of 'Corona' style viruses (or is it Viri?) Half the time we didn't even know there was one, just a few more died each winter.
I swear to God there will be more deaths from Suicide induced by business failure, excess Marital company, or sheer boredom than ever get killed by this... RANT Over. |
I appreciate your posts are sometimes provocative, but i think you are gonna get called out on this one. The Italians, for one, will roast you. 
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Posted By: Sussex Lad
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 4:48pm
...........Just reviewed my options, can sail but no winches available, shingle beach, getting on a bit. It all sounds like a recipe for a bad back.
Mum, Dad and Dad in law still around late 80's and 90's + wife who suffers from asthma.
......too much stacked against this.
Although I don't think the figures published by the media (mortality) are anywhere near accurate and wildly overstated I ain't in a position to take chances.
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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 4:49pm
Originally posted by didlydon
Crikey GRF ----- get a grip! This virus kills people & a sensible course of action is called for by all of us! I hope to sail, but racing is suspended by my club, for good reasons. |
So does the Influenza virus in whichever strain arrives each winter, but there's no panic over the bigger numbers there. CV19 is a highly infection disease - no question. BUT, it is a relatively mild infection to most healthy adults. The problems begin with people spreading it around without knowing they're doing so and infecting the vulnerable, who are much more likely to suffer a statistic in the 'fatal' column. That's why social isolation is so important.
------------- Nick
D-Zero 316
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Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 5:38pm
Originally posted by iGRF
Doh.. the Hythe lot have now caved in to Snowflakemania and cancelled all organised sailing and social events, Jesus H Christ, there were bombs falling people being wiped out in hundreds and the edict was Keep Calm and Carry on.
The Snowflakes now worry about a new strain of Flue, the like of which our generation have survived Asian Flue, Russian Flue and countless other varieties of 'Corona' style viruses (or is it Viri?) Half the time we didn't even know there was one, just a few more died each winter.
I swear to God there will be more deaths from Suicide induced by business failure, excess Marital company, or sheer boredom than ever get killed by this... RANT Over. |
Didn’t you notice the snowflakes lost the last election to right wing fascists who said they would get things done and didn’t need experts . So stop moaning and get on with it.
Anyway aren’t people in your age group supposed to be in self isolation anyway ? 😂😂😂
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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 5:42pm
The direction we are heading is very clear, just look at other countries.
People socially isolate and the curve flattens, we sail in the summer.
People don’t socially isolate and the curve steepens and well have total lockdown, no sailing far greater economic turn down, more deaths etc. The impact on many club members is fatal or financial and clubs close due to lack of members.
Yes people may get changed in their car but they will nip to the garage on the way to club for a sandwich/petrol. Just swing by Tesco because they drastically close to their safety stock of 50 loo rolls.
I can’t help people get well, I can stop people getting sick
------------- Tink
https://tinkboats.com
http://proasail.blogspot.com
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Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 6:29pm
Sensible words Tink.
Perhaps some of the " it's only flu" lot will listen and the number of people out there spreading the virus will be further reduced.
I think my boats will stay at home till we are sorted
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Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 6:46pm
Well lucky I didn't buy that 15 grand Contender to use this season, clearly fate played her part and the electric mountain bike has turned out to be the better investment, nothings going to stop it's use thank the Lord.
I still maintain this is a massive over reaction brought about by a febrile media leading an opportunist Government
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Posted By: Riv
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 6:51pm
The reason we are all so careful is that we don't want to spread the virus to the vulnerable. The vulnerable are those over 65 with underlying health issues. Many of my neighbours are in this position.
It occurred to me that there could be a different approach to protecting them. It is possible to find the vulnerable and to target protection measures directly at them rather than shutting down sections of the economy in the hope they will not get the virus. We currently have a shotgun type approach, maybe there is room for a more targetted approach?
------------- Mistral Div II prototype board, Original Windsurfer, Hornet built'74.
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Posted By: NickM99
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 6:56pm
Surely its the ideal time to do something that amateur sailors are supposed to do but never get round to: find a training buddy in a matching boat and get tuning.
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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 7:18pm
Originally posted by iGRF
Well lucky I didn't buy that 15 grand Contender to use this season, clearly fate played her part and the electric mountain bike has turned out to be the better investment, nothings going to stop it's use thank the Lord.
I still maintain this is a massive over reaction brought about by a febrile media leading an opportunist Government |
We will never know whether it is an over reaction but you only have to look at the China vs Italy to understand it has to be worth a try.
I can’t understand that people think their entertainment is more important than another human beings life.
The bike is fine though and getting fit will probably have a more positive effect on you results than going for a leisurely sail.
------------- Tink
https://tinkboats.com
http://proasail.blogspot.com
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Posted By: getafix
Date Posted: 19 Mar 20 at 8:51pm
The roads are emptying so it’s becoming more enjoyable and viable (social isolating) to go riding ... will keep many of us fit while waiting for the sailing to resume
------------- Feeling sorry for vegans since it became the latest fad to claim you are one
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Posted By: H2
Date Posted: 20 Mar 20 at 9:28am
Originally posted by tink
Originally posted by iGRF
Well lucky I didn't buy that 15 grand Contender to use this season, clearly fate played her part and the electric mountain bike has turned out to be the better investment, nothings going to stop it's use thank the Lord.
I still maintain this is a massive over reaction brought about by a febrile media leading an opportunist Government |
We will never know whether it is an over reaction but you only have to look at the China vs Italy to understand it has to be worth a try.
I can’t understand that people think their entertainment is more important than another human beings life.
The bike is fine though and getting fit will probably have a more positive effect on you results than going for a leisurely sail. |
I agree that entertainment is less important than life. However, I am concerned that the response has gone too far and will have long term damage on business as a result. If you take emotion out of it the decision makers have to work out "how many deaths versus how many jobs lost" if you will forgive me for being blunt. Its impossible to know if the decisions made so far have been right or wrong but as someone who employs 500+ people and has many mates who run businesses I would be worried about how many jobs are going to be affected too.
------------- H2 #115 (sold)
H2 145
OK 2082
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Posted By: CT249
Date Posted: 20 Mar 20 at 10:10am
Where I am, this season started as the record drought reached new levels and entire towns were kept alive by water being trucked in; went on with record-breaking fires that saw many sailors fighting fires to save their own places and sailors share the course with water-bombers; was followed by an outbreak of toxic algae and then, of all things, floods.
After a great start to the year, with our fleet doubling and great performances at world titles, it all went pretty spectacularly downhill and we may now be a bit tired of drama. Our fleets are now so small that we may as well keep on sailing since three or four is not a crowd.
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 20 Mar 20 at 10:38am
My club now closed.
------------- Robert
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