RYA Developing Irish Talent?
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Topic: RYA Developing Irish Talent?
Posted By: Guests
Subject: RYA Developing Irish Talent?
Date Posted: 05 Mar 20 at 10:51am
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I realise this is a potentially sensitive subject and I don't mean to open old wounds, but I was amused and bemused by the article on the front page about Northern Ireland sailors hoping to qualify for the Olympics.
Do NI athletes get to chose whether to represent the UK or the RoI? Do they have to pick in advance? They seem to be coached by the RYA NI, which seems an odd choice of name for a body developing RoI athletes. |
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 05 Mar 20 at 11:09am
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Given that NI is part of the UK and not part of the RoI I'd have said Team GB except that NI is not part of GB....... It's a minefield  ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: KazRob
Date Posted: 05 Mar 20 at 12:37pm
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As far as I am aware all NI athletes are eligible to compete for the RoI, and have been for many, many years in the same way as NI citizens all have access to getting an Irish passport for decades if they want to. RYA NI must have to walk a fine line. On one hand they must be charged with helping develop sailors in NI as the RYA does in the other countries in the UK, but also be aware that they may choose to compete under RoI at the Games. I think it would be wrong if they didn't try to develop top sailors in NI and even if they do end up competing for RoI surely RYA-NI can claim some of that credit. ------------- OK 2249 D-1 138 |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 05 Mar 20 at 12:46pm
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Don’t get me wrong, I couldn’t care less if some of the RYA’s top talent goes on to represent another country and I understand the situation in NI is complex. I would have thought though that the RYA would have stopped coaching them by now if the athlete has nailed their colours to a different selector?
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 05 Mar 20 at 1:02pm
| Good training partners have their value too though... |
Posted By: fab100
Date Posted: 05 Mar 20 at 6:43pm
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You still have to qualify to get into the Olympics, whichever country's flag you sail under. Andrea Brewster, who grew up sailing on Frensham, sailed as TeamGB for 10 years in the Laser Radial before swapping to the 49erFX and going to Brazil under an Irish flag, table by having an Irish mum. ------------- http://clubsailor.co.uk/wp/club-sailor-from-back-to-front/" rel="nofollow - Great book for Club Sailors here |
Posted By: Late starter
Date Posted: 11 Mar 20 at 10:37am
| Getting a bit off topic but a few of my friends who are UK born but with Irish parentage have applied for ROI passports recently. Not quite sure what the criteria is but a friend of mine who was born in the UK with an Irish father and British mother has been told she and her children (also born in the UK) are all eligible for an Irish passport. I'm guessing this might be quite a big number if the eligibility goes down to grandchildren of an Irish parent. |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 11 Mar 20 at 11:14am
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I am a 'Toad' ------------- Robert |
Posted By: furtive
Date Posted: 11 Mar 20 at 11:40am
Seriously?
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Posted By: NicolaJayne
Date Posted: 11 Mar 20 at 11:45am
have you been under a rock for the past 4 years ?
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 11 Mar 20 at 1:13pm
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So many rude people on here now, I know 'why' people who are proud of their European heritage want to get Irish passports. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 11 Mar 20 at 1:26pm
| Shall we all calm down and talk about sailing? |
Posted By: furtive
Date Posted: 11 Mar 20 at 1:26pm
I'm not sure 'what' you think you know, but if think that someone trying to retain/regain their rights as an EU citizen is a 5th columnist then you are confused (at best).
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 11 Mar 20 at 1:37pm
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I think this is a sailing forum.I asked the question with regards to our sport, little thinking I would be savaged by trolls, I ask the question again what would Olympians gain by applying for a RoI passport ? Presumably they think they have more chance of being selected. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: furtive
Date Posted: 11 Mar 20 at 1:50pm
| On the basis that no one knows what visa requirements/working restrictions will apply to UK passport holders beyond 31/12/2020, anyone who is planning on spending a lot of time racing/training in Europe (which, if they are full time could count as working) would be very wise to take any opportunity to get a second passport from an EU member state if they have a family link that allows them to do so. |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 11 Mar 20 at 3:15pm
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Back to sailing, this is official viewpoint. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_GB" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_GB https://www.rya.org.uk/rya-regions/rya-ni/news-events/pages/articlewrapper.aspx?pageUrl=/newsevents/news/Pages/Three-NI-athletes-get-ready-to-battle-it-out-for-their-place-in-Tokyo-2020.aspx" rel="nofollow - https://www.rya.org.uk/rya-regions/rya-ni/news-events/pages/articlewrapper.aspx?pageUrl=/newsevents/news/Pages/Three-NI-athletes-get-ready-to-battle-it-out-for-their-place-in-Tokyo-2020.aspx
------------- Robert |
Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 11 Mar 20 at 6:04pm
Not sure why anyone would want to go back to discussing anything with you after your last few posts
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 11 Mar 20 at 8:17pm
Well done  only took you nearly 3 hours to think up that one liner.------------- Robert |
Posted By: bdu98252
Date Posted: 12 Mar 20 at 8:54am
| From a simple perspective if you have dual passport capability then your best bet of a medal is with team GB as they have the biggest budget and the best pool of sailors to train with in the build up. If however you ended up in the Ainslie Scott situation where Scott would have likely got a medal in 2012 but was held out the team by Ainslies track record then it would be a no brainer to sail for ROI. There does not appear to be many people in the ROI and British sailing team that hold dual nationalities and therefore there is not a large number of cases of this theoretical situation being fulfilled. When you look at most of the Olympic classes our 2nd and sometimes more sailors would easily have qualified another country such is the strength in depth. |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 12 Mar 20 at 9:41am
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Probably nearly 7 million people in UK who could find an Irish link somewhere, so would be a sensible step for our top sailors who rely on there public profile. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: furtive
Date Posted: 12 Mar 20 at 9:50am
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Quote: "Probably not many people in UK who could not find an Irish link somewhere, so would be a sensible step for our top sailors who rely on there public profile" "It is estimated that as many as six million people living in the UK have at least one Irish grandparent (around 10% of the UK population)." From Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_migration_to_Great_Britain" rel="nofollow - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_migration_to_Great_Britain ) so don't want to say it's anything official, but you get the point.
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 12 Mar 20 at 10:42am
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This topic brings to me a mental image of a sort of passport mormonism with people going back through their family tree and applying for posthumous Irish passports for long dead ancestors, until they have managed to create a chain of pseudo Irish ancestry long enough to apply for one themselves. Could be a nice little earner for the Irish passport office...
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 12 Mar 20 at 11:27am
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I once drank a pint of Guinness, probably half Irish now. I could actually apply for a passport, my father was born in Cobh (Cork), though they emigrated to England when he was a child, I consider myself English and a protestant, might as well bring religion in to the mix. ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 12 Mar 20 at 11:37am
Pleased don't. I didn't start this thread to stir up political, religious or Brexit debates. I was mildly amused that sailors who have nailed their colours to trying to represent the Republic of Ireland are (still) being trained by the RYA. |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 12 Mar 20 at 12:14pm
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I didn't ask a relevant question to be attacked by rednecks either, however bdu98252 answered for me and several others ------------- Robert |
Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 12 Mar 20 at 2:04pm
Doesn’t quite work that way in the real world lol. My dad was born in Northern Ireland which means I am entitled to an Irish passport if I wish. My daughter could also have an Irish passport but only if have got mine first. But that’s as far as it goes, her children would not have any right to a passport.
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 12 Mar 20 at 3:16pm
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According to this article a conservative estimate of 6.7 million people could apply for Irish passports, only 4.8 million people live there. Would you be able to vote in important Irish elections and referendums ? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37246769" rel="nofollow - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-37246769 ------------- Robert |
Posted By: Jack Sparrow
Date Posted: 12 Mar 20 at 3:17pm
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https://www.irishimmigration.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Irish-Citizenship-Eligibility-Guide.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.irishimmigration.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Irish-Citizenship-Eligibility-Guide.pdf
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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 12 Mar 20 at 5:26pm
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I am an Irishman according to that chart, if I choose to apply. ------------- Robert |