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Topic: Dodgy knee friendly single handers
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Subject: Dodgy knee friendly single handers
Date Posted: 22 Dec 19 at 10:48pm
A friend of mine, a Hobie cat sailor who also pottered in a Topper, bought a Blaze last year but his dodgy knee (the result of a rugby injury in the '70s) has given him gyp after sailing it. I think the Blaze is a very benign boat and, other than kneeling downwind (which is not really an issue for said friend as he doesn't race seriously), is pretty kind to your knees. Can anybody suggest a dinghy which might suit him?

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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"



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Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 6:13am
K1, Solo, Ok, D-One, Vareo, RS100, H2.  Basically anything that has a relatively deep cockpit that while requires hiking doesn't require kneeling downwind (either because it has a kite of is relatively narrow.  

The laser actually falls into the comfy to sail downwind, but requires very straight leg hiking upwind so will hurt if technique is poor.


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 8:59am
I really enjoyed my Blaze, it is a great boat and just about perfect for my favourite race - the Round Sheppey.  But it is also the only boat I have ever had that killed my knees.  In no other boat have I given my knees a second thought, whereas in the Blaze I found kneepads to be essential.  

Almost any other singlehander will be an improvement for your friend, the most mainstream choice being a Solo.


Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 9:06am
I have not been able to cycle for a few weeks and even my Solo hurt lots yesterday!. Whichever boat you sail, I find mobility and strength exercises are essential.


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 9:51am
The Lightning 368 has been my solution to dodgy knees.

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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 10:29am
I don't have a problem hiking the Blaze* but do wear knee pads as it's the kneeling that get's me and it is unavoidable on occasion. The Spice is a stand up boat and I haven't really sailed anything else since my return to dinghies 10 years ago (after a 25 year sabbatical when I was windsurfing).

* If anything it's my hips and lower back that give up first.


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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: Gordon 1430
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 12:23pm
I think  Dzero would be OK as you don't kneel when going downwind and ergonomic hiking upwind. Aero sailers use kneepads so might not be best.
Phantom is a kneeling boat downwind so probably not best.


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Gordon
Phantom 1430


Posted By: The Moo
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 12:53pm
The Comet has a sort of "crew deck" up front which you can sit on downwind with some comfort. Probably works better with a transom main set up though.


Posted By: ColPrice2002
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 1:43pm
The OK sailors at my club seem to manage well - the cockpit is deeper than the Solo (deck to floor) and you heel to windward on the broad reach/runs.

I find that I'm kneeling in my Solo on the runs (usually on the padded toestrap!).
Colin


Posted By: Cirrus
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 4:35pm
... There is no such thing as 'unsuitable weather, just 'unsuitable clothing' .. as goes the saying.

Same thing with many single-hander classes.  Why on earth spend thousands on a decent boat and then not get the right clothing for the job ?  .. Many single-handers simply go faster if you do put a knee down when running very deep  - so just get a decent set of knee pads !  (Many on offer are lousy, never staying in place for more than a couple of outings - buy 'cheap' or unsuitable and you must expect to be uncomfortable.  Same thing with hikers etc etc.  Get the right stuff and you will rarely be uncomfortable .... if ever.

I've raced the Blaze for nearly 25 years now and do have a dodgy knee (but thanks to motorcycle v car incident over 40 years ago, ... the car 'won') But never had a knee  issue in the boat but then I've always gone for the right knee-pads etc - in comparison previous Lasers in particular were 'not good' for knees regardless of clothing over time !  BTW low free-board is your friend if you want to recover from capsize, quickly and easily and the inherent reduction in windage and lower centre of everything reduces the risk of capsize in the first place imo.... Wink


Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 4:51pm
I find that using pads makes my duff knee worse, I assume by pushing the kneecap against what's left of the joint. Any suggestions for a more comfortable brace to wear inside a drysuit?


Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 5:00pm
Originally posted by Rupert

The Lightning 368 has been my solution to dodgy knees.

Very true . I always found my mine  very kind to my knees. But it’s worth barring in mind, that the newest version ( the mark 3) is less knee friendly .



Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 5:04pm
I don't think my mate's knee issues are kneeling related, as I said he doesn't race much, mostly it's just reaching up and down. He has a damaged anterior cruciate ligament rather than age related cartilage degeneration or damage so I'm assuming it affects him differently. I will discuss with him when we next meet but I now have some possible solutions to suggest. Thanks for the info and Merry Christmas.

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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 5:28pm
Streaker is fine. As it has a proper thwart without a traveller in most cases. 

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Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 5:30pm
Is the story that Jack designed the Streaker as he got to an age where pulling a Solo up the beach became a problem true?


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 5:32pm
Yeah, streaker might be a good choice for him, and there is one at the club that he could probably have a go in first. Budget won't be huge so Aero/D-Zero are probably non starters.



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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 6:06pm
People keep pointing me at a Streaker.. Have been thinking of getting a full carbon one built with carbon everything, to hell with the class luddites, if Jack were around now and had access to all the stuff available these days, I'm sure he'd have gone with it. Built like my Farr37 it could be done sub 8 grand, be good for the lake. There are already some pretty damn quick versions from that Boatyard at Beer, only knaff things are the crap foils and of course the tin mast. But you can't tell them, like the bloody Contenderati they know what's best...


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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 6:44pm
Originally posted by Rupert

The Lightning 368 has been my solution to dodgy knees.
The Solution is however not a Solution I would suggest from recent observations 


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Tink
https://tinkboats.com

http://proasail.blogspot.com


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 6:52pm
Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

Is the story that Jack designed the Streaker as he got to an age where pulling a Solo up the beach became a problem true?

It has been repeated enough that truth seams unimportant 




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Tink
https://tinkboats.com

http://proasail.blogspot.com


Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 7:11pm
Originally posted by tink

Originally posted by Rupert

The Lightning 368 has been my solution to dodgy knees.
The Solution is however not a Solution I would suggest from recent observations 

 

It’s a Solution looking for a problem. Lol

I tested one last year with the thought to buy one . I came away very impressed but also very sure I wasn’t ever going to buy one . 


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 7:19pm
Originally posted by iGRF

People keep pointing me at a Streaker.. Have been thinking of getting a full carbon one built with carbon everything, to hell with the class luddites, if Jack were around now and had access to all the stuff available these days, I'm sure he'd have gone with it. Built like my Farr37 it could be done sub 8 grand, be good for the lake. There are already some pretty damn quick versions from that Boatyard at Beer, only knaff things are the crap foils and of course the tin mast. But you can't tell them, like the bloody Contenderati they know what's best...

I am going to upset you now but it based on your advice, that they are bandits, thinking of trading the Streaker for a Laser. 

Even the humble Streaker plays on a skewed field. At the Nationals I was told that I didn’t stand a chance unless I am sailing a new boat with correctors. Now they are changing the boom and who knows what next. A Streaker of carbon out of class though fun is a waste of time. Crew weight however is critical, the lighter I get the luckier I get.

So for a fraction of the cost of a competitive Streaker I can get a competitive Laser and see how I actually do on a level playing field.

If I had the cash and still lived in the windy North I would be staying with the Streaker mind.




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Tink
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http://proasail.blogspot.com


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 7:57pm
Well its been windy every weekend so far this winter season and as much as I get lucky now and again, surviving is hardly racing and 6.5 sq mtrs would be an absolute doddle I reckon. But the only time I gave one a go it felt so, weather helm heavy which I put down to the blunt kitchen table foils.
Then last season we had a visitor witha Boatyards at Beer boat that you could see sat so much higher in the water even though the helm was heavier than the guy in the ply boat and it showed in boatspeed.
I'll be OK for a couple more years in the Solution, but I can see when the years do eventually catch up worse than they have to date, it'll be one for the future and there's a fair bit of activity down these parts, they've even had an open meeting at our place which I missed,and would have done if I could have blagged a boat.
They do need a carbon mast, they've gone with a carbon boom quite what that's all about I've no idea, the mast is more important than the bloody boom why they've gone for that just shows the typical dinghy waller nonesensical attitude imv.

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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 8:29pm
Originally posted by iGRF

Well its been windy every weekend so far this winter season and as much as I get lucky now and again, surviving is hardly racing and 6.5 sq mtrs would be an absolute doddle I reckon. But the only time I gave one a go it felt so, weather helm heavy which I put down to the blunt kitchen table foils.
Then last season we had a visitor witha Boatyards at Beer boat that you could see sat so much higher in the water even though the helm was heavier than the guy in the ply boat and it showed in boatspeed.
I'll be OK for a couple more years in the Solution, but I can see when the years do eventually catch up worse than they have to date, it'll be one for the future and there's a fair bit of activity down these parts, they've even had an open meeting at our place which I missed,and would have done if I could have blagged a boat.
They do need a carbon mast, they've gone with a carbon boom quite what that's all about I've no idea, the mast is more important than the bloody boom why they've gone for that just shows the typical dinghy waller nonesensical attitude imv.
 
Wooden boats are extremely hard to build down to weight and the new plastic ones are good.

The carbon boom ‘gives no tactical advantage’ but ‘makes it easier to gybe’ - personally that is a very major technical advantage. 

Carbon masts would just create a divide. The mast is not tapered (again about to change) so if, like the boom, if carbon mast was equivalent to a tin not sure what it would offer. It is sealed so unless it is a violent capsize you rarely get into too much trouble due to weight righting.

The board certainly could be improved on but also cost etc etc. 

 


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Tink
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http://proasail.blogspot.com


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 8:49pm
Why bother going from a parallel tin mast to a tapered one? It will certainly make the boat more manageable in a blow but they'll all need new sails too as the curve will be different. Might as well go for a carbon stick straight away.

When I was considering a Streaker I found an article where the current or recent National champion sad (something to the effect of) "we all know the Streaker is 'difficult' offwind in a blow" so I decided not to buy one. If they had a carbon rig I may reconsider.

WRT carbon booms, they hurt a lot less if you get it by one and that's enough to convince me of their value.


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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 9:00pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Why bother going from a parallel tin mast to a tapered one? It will certainly make the boat more manageable in a blow but they'll all need new sails too as the curve will be different. Might as well go for a carbon stick straight away.
When I was considering a Streaker I found an article where the current or recent National champion sad (something to the effect of) "we all know the Streaker is 'difficult' offwind in a blow" so I decided not to buy one. If they had a carbon rig I may reconsider.
WRT carbon booms, they hurt a lot less if you get it by one and that's enough to convince me of their value.

The only boat to use that section parallel is the Streaker where as the tapered one is used in relatively big volumes in Europe so it is a supply issue.



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Tink
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http://proasail.blogspot.com


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 10:03pm
Fair enough, the only reason not to use tapered is cost so if supply is difficult then costs will escalate. I still think it is a missed opportunity to embrace carbon.

Blaze introduced a carbon mast a few years ago, the manufacturer claimed it had identical characteristics to the M7 tin mast and would perform identically. I have both now and the same sail seems to work well on either supporting the claim that the bend curve is the same. But the carbon mast is narrower and much lighter (2kg lighter in fact). The downside of the carbon stick is that, while the M7 was sealed, the carbon mast is not with an internal halyard, holes for the rigging terminals and non-blind rivets (and has less volume to start with) on the other fittings meaning it sinks much more quickly in a capsize.


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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 23 Dec 19 at 11:29pm
Why someboday hasn't standardised a mast and produced it in volume is so beyond me, the dinghy supply business is so pathetic and there is so much BS with claim and counter claim, all BS when you get down to the nitty gritty of their claims.
The class should just find a similar dimension boat, and nick their mast, then re cut the luff curve of the sail, it would have to be re-cut anyway, the whole point of carbon is the actual possibility of depower from the head and the excellent gust response from a tapered. Hell they should just rip that C2 rig from that little boat whose name escapes me, the junior international that get used everywhere else but here.


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Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 5:16am
Originally posted by iGRF

Why someboday hasn't standardised a mast and produced it in volume is so beyond me, the dinghy supply business is so pathetic and there is so much BS with claim and counter claim, all BS when you get down to the nitty gritty of their claims.
The class should just find a similar dimension boat, and nick their mast, then re cut the luff curve of the sail, it would have to be re-cut anyway, the whole point of carbon is the actual possibility of depower from the head and the excellent gust response from a tapered. Hell they should just rip that C2 rig from that little boat whose name escapes me, the junior international that get used everywhere else but here.



Byte CII - or for adults Mega Byte


There is nothing wrong with the tin mast. Yes it doesn’t have gust response but not unmanageable with out. The tapered mast is undergoing tests and shows no discernible change. The tapered mast is off the VAURIEN which has numbers into 36,000s and very popular in Europe so easy to jump onto their volume.

Constantly messing about with traditional one design boat just drives the market towards SMODs

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Tink
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http://proasail.blogspot.com


Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 12:28pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Why bother going from a parallel tin mast to a tapered one? It will certainly make the boat more manageable in a blow but they'll all need new sails too as the curve will be different. Might as well go for a carbon stick straight away.

When I was considering a Streaker I found an article where the current or recent National champion sad (something to the effect of) "we all know the Streaker is 'difficult' offwind in a blow" so I decided not to buy one. If they had a carbon rig I may reconsider.

WRT carbon booms, they hurt a lot less if you get it by one and that's enough to convince me of their value.

After talking to a long term streaker sailor and class committee member I believe there is quite a lot of opposition to the change to a tapered mast . Even though the choice is a tapered mast or no masts at all ! Sailors can be a strange lot lol 

Re changing to carbon masts, there is one very good reason for not changing and that is cost. I know from looking into it with my class a couple of years ago. A that time a aliminium m1 tapered mast was @800 while a superspars carbon mast was about twice that . That’s a lot of money to spend lose less than two pounds in weight and when the only proformance advantage only happens in extreme conditions when I wouldnt be sailing anyway . On the other hand I did buy a carbon boom at that time Smile

The advantages of carbon on unstayed masts are undeniable. To my mind the advantages on stayed masts are less clear cut, especially  if you factor in the extra cost. 



Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 1:05pm
Blaze carbon mast is twice the price of the M7 so I agree that cost is a significant factor. WRT weight saving the carbon stick is 2.5 kg lighter than the M7 on the Blaze so a good bit more than a couple of pounds. It's a significant saving and very noticeable when you are stepping the mast as well as on the water. The performance advantage kicks in for lighter sailors in F4+ so well before it becomes survival conditions and is more marked on gusty inland waters.

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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: zeon
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 1:35pm
It’s no where near as clear cut as that with the British moth . It’s much more important what hull you have rather than what rig you use . 
Most of the pointy end of the fleet are using boat out of the claridge/JJ boats mould. Other designs have their strengths but at the moment this design seems to be the best all round design .



Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 2:06pm
I have no difficulty stepping a Enterprise mast on my own, presumably a carbon mast wouldn't make much difference to me, other than capsize weight.

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Posted By: ian.r.mcdonald
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 2:14pm
My Osprey tin mast is still competitive inland against the carbon.

And not having to fret about varnishing against UV is good.

But perhaps the option of carbon repair rather alloy replacement may keep some older boats away from insurance write off?


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 2:34pm
Originally posted by zeon

It’s no where near as clear cut as that with the British moth .


The carbon mast is roughly half the weight of the M7, I weighed mine with rigging and calculated the weight of the wire to get back to the mast weight. With shrouds, forestay and halyard the M7 weighs 7.8kg, the Carbon, 5.3kg.

Originally posted by 423zero

I have no difficulty stepping a Enterprise mast on my own, presumably a carbon mast wouldn't make much difference to me, other than capsize weight.

Weight aloft does make a difference even when upright but I think the performance advantages are mostly that it's more forgiving rather than actually faster. I have no difficulty stepping the M7 but stepping the carbon mast is very noticeably easier.

Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

My Osprey tin mast is still competitive inland against the carbon. 

And not having to fret about varnishing against UV is good. 

But perhaps the option of carbon repair rather alloy replacement may keep some older boats away from insurance write off?

Some Blaze sailors prefer the M7 and it doesn't seem slower than the carbon stick. I agree about varnishing too.




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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: Cirrus
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 4:44pm
Some Blaze sailors prefer the M7 and it doesn't seem slower ....

Totally true and several National and Inland championships have been won by alloy masts against carbon since they were introduced about a decade ago .... including this year.  There is a weight advantage for carbon but overall you would not know which is likely to prevail in any particular event in advance.  The standard North sail sits very well on both options


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 5:00pm
Originally posted by zeon

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Why bother going from a parallel tin mast to a tapered one? It will certainly make the boat more manageable in a blow but they'll all need new sails too as the curve will be different. Might as well go for a carbon stick straight away.

When I was considering a Streaker I found an article where the current or recent National champion sad (something to the effect of) "we all know the Streaker is 'difficult' offwind in a blow" so I decided not to buy one. If they had a carbon rig I may reconsider.

WRT carbon booms, they hurt a lot less if you get it by one and that's enough to convince me of their value.

After talking to a long term streaker sailor and class committee member I believe there is quite a lot of opposition to the change to a tapered mast . Even though the choice is a tapered mast or no masts at all ! Sailors can be a strange lot lol 

Re changing to carbon masts, there is one very good reason for not changing and that is cost. I know from looking into it with my class a couple of years ago. A that time a aliminium m1 tapered mast was @800 while a superspars carbon mast was about twice that . That’s a lot of money to spend lose less than two pounds in weight and when the only proformance advantage only happens in extreme conditions when I wouldnt be sailing anyway . On the other hand I did buy a carbon boom at that time Smile

The advantages of carbon on unstayed masts are undeniable. To my mind the advantages on stayed masts are less clear cut, especially  if you factor in the extra cost. 

There is a Topic all about the how the Streaker mast which  I think is a new class of mast: the barely stayed mast. The shrouds are very slack. 





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http://proasail.blogspot.com


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 5:05pm
Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

My Osprey tin mast is still competitive inland against the carbon.

And not having to fret about varnishing against UV is good.

But perhaps the option of carbon repair rather alloy replacement may keep some older boats away from insurance write off?

Don’t get me started, white pigment or paint them white. The dark side that is marketing has decided the must look carbon 


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Tink
https://tinkboats.com

http://proasail.blogspot.com


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 5:18pm
I was going to paint mine white but was told the recommended white two pack is not UV resistant and you still need to varnish on top which seemed a bit of a waste of time and money.....

I haven't got around to it yet but will investigate car paints and rattle cans before I spend £70+ for the 'proper'stuff.


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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 6:07pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I was going to paint mine white but was told the recommended white two pack is not UV resistant

Titanium dioxide - standard white paint pigment - is a standard ingredient in suncreens, and International claim their topside paints are specially formulated for high UV protection. I would be very interested to hear the justification from whoever told you that...


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 6:15pm
Probably the most of topic thread ever... but still really interesting and positive.

If you’re ever up in Harrtlepool you can drop in on the Huntsman Titanium Dioxide plant. You can also pop in in the Able oil rig recycling plant. 


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Tink
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http://proasail.blogspot.com


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 7:07pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I was going to paint mine white but was told the recommended white two pack is not UV resistant

Titanium dioxide - standard white paint pigment - is a standard ingredient in suncreens, and International claim their topside paints are specially formulated for high UV protection. I would be very interested to hear the justification from whoever told you that...

Daniel Holman in this thread  https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13135&KW=paint&PN=2&title=varnishing-carbon-masts-what-to-use" rel="nofollow - https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13135&KW=paint&PN=2&title=varnishing-carbon-masts-what-to-use

Also somewhere else, facebook I think in the dinghy advice or Blaze group but not found it yet.

edit :- it was Pete Jary in my Jun 19th thread on the Dinghy and boat advice group, can't seem to link to it..... this might get you there   https://www.facebook.com/groups/DinghyAndBoatAdvice/permalink/2365825226796474/" rel="nofollow - https://www.facebook.com/groups/DinghyAndBoatAdvice/permalink/2365825226796474/

FWIW Jim, you agreed with me that car paint would work Thumbs Up


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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 7:21pm
Originally posted by tink

Probably the most of topic thread ever... but still really interesting and positive.

I'm a fan of 'thread creep' these things are a bit like a conversation in the clubhouse bar after sailing, nowt wrong with them wandering off the subject a bit. Embarrassed


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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: Oinks
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 9:04pm
Challenger trimaran?


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 9:11pm
Challenger??? isn't that ARGOS's own brand ? When did they start selling boats?

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Posted By: rb_stretch
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 9:43pm
Originally posted by Cirrus


... There is no such thing as 'unsuitable weather, just 'unsuitable clothing' .. as goes the saying.
Same thing with many single-hander classes.  Why on earth spend thousands on a decent boat and then not get the right clothing for the job ?  .. Many single-handers simply go faster if you do put a knee down when running very deep  - so just get a decent set of knee pads !  (Many on offer are lousy, never staying in place for more than a couple of outings - buy 'cheap' or unsuitable and you must expect to be uncomfortable.  Same thing with hikers etc etc.  Get the right stuff and you will rarely be uncomfortable .... if ever.
I've raced the Blaze for nearly 25 years now and do have a dodgy knee (but thanks to motorcycle v car incident over 40 years ago, ... the car 'won') But never had a knee  issue in the boat but then I've always gone for the right knee-pads etc - in comparison previous Lasers in particular were 'not good' for knees regardless of clothing over time !  BTW low free-board is your friend if you want to recover from capsize, quickly and easily and the inherent reduction in windage and lower centre of everything reduces the risk of capsize in the first place imo.... Wink



Please do say which ones actually work cause in 20 years I haven't found any. Current ones are Spinlock and they don't work for any more than a leg.


Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 10:15pm
I wear my spinlock ones under my hikers, provided you accept they are there to protect your knees and not just to eek more time from your wetsuit, means they can’t move around.

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 10:30pm
I haven't found any that don't chafe the back of your legs so much that the knee pain is more acceptable.

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Robert


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 10:37pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Daniel Holman /Pete Jary

All respect to those gentlemen, but I would like to see a reference from the paint companies that their white topside paints aren't UV resistant. I haven't been a coatings chemist for 40 years, so I don't pretend to have any useful knowledge, but its rather surprising. I would not expect aerosol car paint to be superior to topside paint.


Posted By: Oinks
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 10:40pm
Neptune "I wear my spinlock ones under my hikers"

Isn't that like putting an angry weasel down your trousers!


Posted By: Oinks
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 10:52pm
423zero

Haha...can't say I've noticed...but boats from Argos...there's a thought, a nautical sort of name and pick up the same day. Could be the answer to all our woes! Wonder if they do Merlin Rockets....



Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 24 Dec 19 at 11:13pm
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0141391094900957

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Robert


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 25 Dec 19 at 12:14am
Merry Christmas one and all.
To all members of the psychic safiling association, Boxing day racing is cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances.

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Robert


Posted By: ColPrice2002
Date Posted: 25 Dec 19 at 5:40am
May you and yours have good health and sufficient to keep you in 2020.

I'm currently with mother-in-law's family some 400 miles from my dinghy - having foreseen there would be no sailing for me on Boxing Day.

We're planning to go to the harbour on Boxing Day to watch some people jump into the water (mostly water). That's almost like dinghy sailing isn't it?

Colin


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 25 Dec 19 at 10:04am
Originally posted by 423zero

Merry Christmas one and all.
To all members of the psychic safiling association, Boxing day racing is cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances.

Next year they will do better with their 20 20 vision


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Tink
https://tinkboats.com

http://proasail.blogspot.com


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 25 Dec 19 at 11:16am
Originally posted by Oinks

Challenger trimaran?

He already has a Hobie Cat.


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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 25 Dec 19 at 11:23am
Originally posted by JimC

I would not expect aerosol car paint to be superior to topside paint.

Maybe not rattle can delivered car paints but the OEM stuff should be at least as good as yacht paint, cars can be expected to see as much UV as boats and aren't routinely repainted every few years.


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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 25 Dec 19 at 11:37am
Originally posted by Oinks

423zero

Haha...can't say I've noticed...but boats from Argos...there's a thought, a nautical sort of name and pick up the same day. Could be the answer to all our woes! Wonder if they do Merlin Rockets....


Argos do sell the Argo (Topper)
Avon ladies get very confused when you ask for a Scow
There is a hire care car company that will also lend you an Enterprise 
Sadly Comet when bust
You can get a dinghy from a Northern frozen food chain, right beside the chicken Bytes 
My GP looks 14 but sailing isn’t prescribed on the NHS
Don’t go on Boxing Day but Ikea do plenty of Mirrors and plenty of Lighting (368 different lamps I believe)
Waitrose have plenty of Albacore tuna in isle B14, but you will need to go to Tesco to get a four pack of Kestrel, it is selling fast so you will need to be up with the Larks.





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Tink
https://tinkboats.com

http://proasail.blogspot.com


Posted By: Neptune
Date Posted: 25 Dec 19 at 11:44am
Originally posted by Oinks

Neptune "I wear my spinlock ones under my hikers"

Isn't that like putting an angry weasel down your trousers!

Wouldn’t have a reference for that... I live south of the midlands


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Musto Skiff and Solo sailor


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 25 Dec 19 at 12:12pm
Originally posted by Neptune

Originally posted by Oinks

Neptune "I wear my spinlock ones under my hikers"

Isn't that like putting an angry weasel down your trousers!

Wouldn’t have a reference for that... I live south of the midlands

Weasels are for posh folk, a true Northern has a couple of ferrets in his long johns. 


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Tink
https://tinkboats.com

http://proasail.blogspot.com


Posted By: tink
Date Posted: 25 Dec 19 at 12:21pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Originally posted by JimC

I would not expect aerosol car paint to be superior to topside paint.

Maybe not rattle can delivered car paints but the OEM stuff should be at least as good as yacht paint, cars can be expected to see as much UV as boats and aren't routinely repainted every few years.

If you’re at Halfords you can pick up some WD40 for your knees, 

the effectiveness of this cure isn’t approved of by WD40


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Tink
https://tinkboats.com

http://proasail.blogspot.com


Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 25 Dec 19 at 1:04pm
Ferrets in your trousers used to be entertainment in the good old days, anyone remember 'Opportunity knocks' a man won for banging himself on his head with a tray.

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Robert


Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 25 Dec 19 at 5:19pm
I recall Spider Stacey banging a tin tray on his head to great effect in the early days of the Pogues...


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 25 Dec 19 at 5:45pm
Whereas Shane McGowan only looked as if he'd been bashed in the head with a steel tray Wink

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Spice 346 "Flat Broke"
Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"



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