Boat on different leg
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Topic: Boat on different leg
Posted By: Henmch
Subject: Boat on different leg
Date Posted: 10 Jun 19 at 12:58pm
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Three dinghies ( solos) are approaching a leeward mark on port in a force 2. They are within the zone and the mark is to be left to port. Another boat ( flying 15) sailing upwind on starboard tack in a different race in which this leeward mark is not a mark on this leg decides to try and intercept them by sailing towards the mark. Who has right of way? The dinghies within the zone about to gybe or the flying 15 entering the zone on starboard when it wasn’t a mark of the course for him on that leg. |
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 10 Jun 19 at 1:17pm
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Thats a very strange scenarion you're highlighting... you're saying the FF deliberately tries to intercept them? sure? Why?
Anyway RRS 18 states
So I reckon it doesn't apply between the FF and the Solos. Anyway, there's no doubt who has ROW: its the boat on Starboard. The question is whether any of the rules that limit the actions of an ROW boat apply. RRS 18, I submit doesn't. What about RRS16 - changing course? Then there's RRS24.2
so, if Starboard was found to have diverted to interfere with the Solos, was she sailing on a proper course? |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 10 Jun 19 at 1:50pm
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The FF isnt approaching that mark so rule 18 doesn't apply between it and the Solos so it is simple port/starboard situation the Solos on port must keep clear (assuming all boats are racing of course otherwise colregs overrides). The question would be would about This sort of thing happens fairly regularly on club 'round the cans' courses. we had something similar, a windward mark pretty much on the reach leg between 2 other marks. Reaching on starboard so all the port tackers coming up had to keep clear and the reaching boat had to be careful as could be windward boat on a stb tacker who was heading to said WW mark. I think you would be hard pushed to prove the FF was deliberately trying to interfere with the Solos on the other leg rather than sailing their proper course (which I dont think they are restricted to anyway). It does sound like one of those situations that I wouldnt want to be anywhere near so would probably take a short tack away (if I were the FF) and then tack back. Much safer than getting tangled up in an argument between 3 other boats. Then again a fair few flying 15 sailors still call mast abeam.... ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Brass
Date Posted: 10 Jun 19 at 2:21pm
Yup. Agree with that.
Right conclusion, but you are using the pre 1995 language. Rule 18 no longer refers to 'approaching': all that is required is that at least one of them is in the zone.
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Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 10 Jun 19 at 2:23pm
So as the aforementioned mark isn't a mark on the leg for the FF there is no zone applicable to them  ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Brass
Date Posted: 10 Jun 19 at 2:40pm
Just so. Should have included the underlined bit.
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Posted By: JimC
Date Posted: 10 Jun 19 at 2:42pm
| I think the critical word in the rule is *they*. Both boats required to leave the mark on the same side. So it doesn't apply here, and wouldn't apply if one boat had to leave the mark to port and the other to starboard (it happens!). |
Posted By: H2
Date Posted: 10 Jun 19 at 3:44pm
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In my experience the rules do not apply to anyone who sails a Flying Fifteen so I have no idea why you are asking. Anything that might unsettle their sun dial or bird bath is simply unsporting and therefore not allowed. Its almost as if other people do not exist.... ------------- H2 #115 (sold) H2 145 OK 2082 |
Posted By: sargesail
Date Posted: 10 Jun 19 at 8:58pm
| Oh yes H2. Just managed to get round the back of one at HISC that made a no look 90 degree turn across us at HISC AL a couple of weekends ago. |
Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 11 Jun 19 at 7:44am
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Sounds like you simply take the mark out of the equation. Happens regularly on knitting courses on small lakes.
The language of the OP suggests that the FF is deliberately sailing towards the Solos, which I hope is just a linguistic thing ------------- Firefly 2324, Puffin 229, Minisail 3446 Mirror 70686 |