What's the normal procedure for a bent mast?
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Topic: What's the normal procedure for a bent mast?
Posted By: iGRF
Subject: What's the normal procedure for a bent mast?
Date Posted: 13 Mar 19 at 12:30pm
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Had horrendous gusts of wind over the weekend, most that have ever been witnessed at the lake, including waterspouts and spray mist so dense it looked like fog.
The boat adjacent to mine wasn't quite as securely tied down and crashed into mine which in turn had the domino effect of upending it, this eventually resulted in the mast bending then the entire rig crashing. So, I'm wondering is the procedure to try and get the mast straightened ,if so who by, or is it an insurance replacement item, I've never claimed on a dinghy insurance so far, so wondering if anyone has had a similar occurrence and what my expectations should be. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
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Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 13 Mar 19 at 12:37pm
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Shame that you have suffered damage. ------------- Nick D-Zero 316 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 13 Mar 19 at 12:43pm
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Thanks Nick, I don't even know who the owner of the adjacent boat is, I think he's a new member, we had to resecure his Solo elsewhere off it's road trailer. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 13 Mar 19 at 1:03pm
| Definitely 3rd party, let's hope he's insured! Your own insurance could refuse to pay. |
Posted By: H2
Date Posted: 13 Mar 19 at 1:18pm
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Sorry your boat got damaged iGRF, its a pain when others do not secure their kit. I went sailing on Sunday in my H2 - gusts well into the mid 30s and spray coming up off the lake. It was great fun hooning around until it was time to come in. Did not fancy coming into the shore on a broad reach so pulled the sail down and came in on the mast - still had to hike just with the mast up!! Sometimes I reckon its safer to go sailing - is my point - than leave your boat in the park for others to trash. ------------- H2 #115 (sold) H2 145 OK 2082 |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 13 Mar 19 at 1:53pm
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Kinked and it's toast, bent can be straightened and it should actually make it slightly harder due to 'work hardening' of the ally, not sure you'd notice though. However it is difficult to get them exactly straight again so, as you race, I'd claim on the insurance (their's or failing that, your's), my insurers replace my Spice mast without question a few years ago, and new for old........ ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 13 Mar 19 at 2:57pm
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Insurance job mate. The club should (hopefully) have a record of the owner and insist any boats stored on club grounds are insured. ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: Fatboi
Date Posted: 13 Mar 19 at 3:52pm
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You need to be careful, boats are usually not insured if not tied down! From my insurance doc:
You have agreed: • is based in the United Kingdom. • will be securely tied down to the ground whilst left in a dinghy park • will be maintained in a proper state of repair and seaworthiness, and in the case of trailers, roadworthiness, and that you will exercise due care and
diligence in safeguarding your boat and property. |
Posted By: Noah
Date Posted: 13 Mar 19 at 4:20pm
I think and hope that's unlikely. If the adjacent boat were not insured or the owner cannot be found, then even though the loss was not Graeme's fault his insurers should stump up. This is akin to vehicle damage from unknown assailant in a car park. ------------- Nick D-Zero 316 |
Posted By: jeffers
Date Posted: 13 Mar 19 at 4:44pm
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Most comprehensive dinghy insurance covers all risks so if the other boat isnt insured you will still be OK. Then it is down to the ins co. to go after the owner to recover their loss. People wonder why I check my boat park neighbours are secured regularly.... ------------- Paul ---------------------- D-Zero GBR 74 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 13 Mar 19 at 5:25pm
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This guy has only just 'moved in' next door had been vacant until recently, bloody old wooden solo spewing woodworm all over my nice Solution, now complete with broken bits of varnished wood where it bounced against my trailer..
I've moved, the neighborhood was shot to pieces. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Wiclif
Date Posted: 13 Mar 19 at 6:51pm
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If your mast has a gradual bend it should be possible to straighten it again, but your insurance company should be notified first and warned that it may not work. Our technique was to identify the extremities of the bend and rest those points on two trestles, one at each point. Then just bounce on the middle of the high point, with visual checks after each bounce. It usually took my 100kg bouncing a few times to get the desired result. It is MOST important to have a length of wood running the same direction as the mast between the mast and the trestle, at each trestle. This is required to avoid denting the mast at the trestle. It is also a good idea to avoid balancing the mast at any mast cut outs like for sheave cages as the mast can distort at this point. We generally had a good result with no failure as a result of the straightening process.
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Posted By: Gordon 1430
Date Posted: 14 Mar 19 at 8:52am
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I take my mast down for the winter if I am not going to use the boat, it does make it a lot less likely to blow over, I reckon clubs should make it a rule over winter if the boats not going to be sailing. It does not take long to drop a mast back in. ------------- Gordon Phantom 1430 |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 17 Mar 19 at 8:01pm
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Well turns out I was mistaken, my 'bend' was a natural welded curve that produces the taper, these things are so crude, lucky I didn't ring the insurance company, got it all back together today for another blustery but sunny fun race being violated by the Miracle Mums again...
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Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 17 Mar 19 at 9:55pm
Sighs of relief all round then, even though the insurance would pay up it's nice when we don't need to trouble them after all.  ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 17 Mar 19 at 11:20pm
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Insurance companies never pay up in my experience, a bloody nuisance we have to use them for racing, I wasn't looking forward to the hassle, generally insurance companies rank right up there with lawyers and politicians in the ethics league. ------------- https://www.corekite.co.uk/snow-accessories-11-c.asp" rel="nofollow - Snow Equipment Deals https://www.corekite.co.uk" rel="nofollow - New Core Kite website |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 18 Mar 19 at 12:11am
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Well, I have experienced both over the years (and worked for one in the '70s) but I am definitely a net gainer WRT boat insurance. ------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 18 Mar 19 at 7:05am
| Boat insurers appear to be a friendly group in my experience, mainly I suppose because they are sailing people. |
Posted By: ColPrice2002
Date Posted: 18 Mar 19 at 7:21am
Depends on the company. I had 2 claims in 14 months - first was a centreboard that broke in my hand as I started to put it down. Insurer contacted, suggested I went to Milanese, I paid and was reimbursed in a week. Second was a transom repair as I fell over, repairer paid directly by insurance. Sometimes savings on insurance premiums are a false economy... Colin |
Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 18 Mar 19 at 7:44am
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Have never had any problem with Nobles, have insured with them for forty years. They have never disputed a claim and have always paid up promptly. ------------- Happily living in the past |
Posted By: PeterG
Date Posted: 18 Mar 19 at 8:45am
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I haven't had that many dealings with boat insurers, I'm clearly a more cautious or just less exciting sailor than Sam, but they've all been good. Prompt replacement, little argument. Best exemplified by an experience last summer where someone hit my boat on its mooring, causing damage. I spent months trying to get him to respond and act. I got back endless proposed fudges and claims that his insurers were terrible and he didn't want to deal with them. When he finally gave in months later I had an email direct from his insurers within an hour of him contacting them telling me to deal directly with them in future and to just send the invoice once the work was complete (which was paid promptly once they had it)
------------- Peter Ex Cont 707 Ex Laser 189635 DY 59 |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 18 Mar 19 at 9:09am
 I'll admit the reason mast claim was pretty exciting, a consequence of a botched bear away in F5/6 but the other (with the same company) was for a stolen outboard motor......------------- Spice 346 "Flat Broke" Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish" |
Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 18 Mar 19 at 9:10am
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