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Dangly pole driven spinaker?

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Topic: Dangly pole driven spinaker?
Posted By: iGRF
Subject: Dangly pole driven spinaker?
Date Posted: 20 Oct 18 at 4:18pm
Title says it all, tell me why it can't be done. For use on my Farr obviously, my thinking being it would minimise hull alteration, I could bag the kite and a dangly pole could be hauled round to one side to assist deep running in light airs which is when I really need a little extra.

Tell me what's to stop me.

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Posted By: davidyacht
Date Posted: 20 Oct 18 at 4:29pm
Symmetric or Assymetric?

With an assymetrc kite I guess the problem is that the tack of the kite is likely to be forward of the forestay, so the pole and clew could not be pulled through.

If you were symmetric you could look at a twin pole self launching system, but I suspect that you would consider a symmetric kite to belong to the Ark.


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 20 Oct 18 at 4:39pm
Originally posted by davidyacht

Symmetric or Assymetric?
With an assymetrc kite I guess the problem is that the tack of the kite is likely to be forward of the forestay, so the pole and clew could not be pulled through.
If you were symmetric you could look at a twin pole self launching system, but I suspect that you would consider a symmetric kite to belong to the Ark.

I'd consider anything, not limiting myself to assym or sym, I just can't get my head around syms as I've only ever had a go with one once and that was a disaster and I wasn't trying to helm the boat as well.

So do you mean I'd need twin dangly poles, what happens to the one not in use I'm wondering, actually thinking about it, that could possibly make sense, no maybe not, no it couldn't work with the pole still attached, no it's got to be some ort of ballooney shaped oversize jib and to function drivers side of the forestay.


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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 20 Oct 18 at 4:40pm
Any reason you can't fit a big Genoa with a Furler and a jib stick ?


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 20 Oct 18 at 4:48pm
Originally posted by 423zero

Any reason you can't fit a big Genoa with a Furler and a jib stick ?
No reason really other than weight and clumsy gubbins slowing me up wind and I'd look like some lead miner gone retarded?

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 20 Oct 18 at 5:09pm
You can use spinnaker cloth to keep weight down, would be easier to operate.


Posted By: Sam.Spoons
Date Posted: 20 Oct 18 at 6:07pm
I'm trying to set up an assy on the Blaze, a fixed pole is the easy answer, instead of pulling the pole out you use the same mechanism to pull the tack to the end of the pole. I found a bag very tricky but might try using the downhaul patch instead of trying to haul the sail down with a sheet.

With a fixed pole you could use a cat style pole mounted chute (my Heath Robinson attempts to make a chute have all failed so far through lack of strength) but they are not that easy to find nor are they cheap. 


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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 20 Oct 18 at 7:44pm
You are sending it back to builders for a carbon foredeck ? Get them to fit a bowsprit at the same time.


Posted By: Rupert
Date Posted: 20 Oct 18 at 9:05pm
As far as I can see, so long as there is no forestay in the way, there is no problem with this.

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 20 Oct 18 at 9:30pm
Image result for farr 3.7 sailing dinghy


Posted By: iGRF
Date Posted: 20 Oct 18 at 11:17pm
I've been at the builders all day today and the plan is for a complete carbon deck which is why I don't want to complicate it with having holes cut in it. If I were to assym it I' mount a pole unit on the deck under the forestay, like the V=twin device, which sadly is big big to transfer to this boat. We're thinking RS200 style system as it's easy for the builder to comprehend.
But I'm musing about the dangly pole idea which would give potentially better options on a dead run in light air.

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Posted By: 423zero
Date Posted: 21 Oct 18 at 12:41pm
You make him sound a right Muppet



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